Excusing Trump’s behaviour

While Donald Trump still lags in the polls he still has a sizeable level of support, including in media. There are people who are willing to play down and excuse his temperament and behaviour.

Alarmingly Conrad Black claims This is how democracy is supposed to work.

He may be over the top in criticising Clinton but makes some valid points:

Hillary Clinton, though she would probably be an improvement on the recent past, represents continuity of what has been the most catastrophic 20 years of misgovernment in American history.

I think that’s debatable.

She was there, as first lady, senator, secretary of state, or candidate, for the housing bubble and Great Recession, the terrible drain of Middle East war that delivered most of Iraq to Iran and produced a colossal humanitarian tragedy, the doubling of the national debt in seven years to produce one per cent annual economic growth while 15 million people dropped out of the work force, and the terrible fiascoes of the abandoned red line in Syria and the cave-in to Iranian nuclear military ambitions with a fig leaf of (unverifiable) deferral.

She has been part of a government that has overseen serious problems, both domestic and international.

But she is an able person, still carrying the torch of feminism, and she isn’t Trump.

Fair summary.

This is why what is happening is not surprising: she represents the continuity of misgovernment that has angered and frightened Americans; a sure recipe for defeat, except that the alternative is so radical a change of pace and personality he gives the forces of change pause.

And the alternative:

Trump’s strength is that he has never sought public office, elected or otherwise and has brilliantly made himself the evocator and the voice of all Americans who are outraged at what has been done to their country.

I would say successfully rather than brilliantly. He has been far from brilliant, especially in the last couple of weeks.

He is not at all the sociopath that is claimed, or even the boor he sometimes seems. Personally, his conversation is a good deal less coarse than Hillary Clinton’s, and his demeanour is more equable. But he is a vintage American blowhard. This has sometimes extended to locker-room, towel-snapping bravura, and the Democrats have levered on that to claim that he is a sexist, a racist, and now, a molester of vulnerable females.

This is inexcusable excuse making. And ignoring how ‘a vintage American blowhard’ might get on in international diplomacy, the scariest part of a Trump presidency.

Imagine if Trump wins the presidency, WikiLeaks turns on him and he thinks the Russians are involved? His reactions to attack have been very ugly in the campaign. A lot more would be at stake on international relations.

Trump is not a racist; he just dislikes Muslim terrorists and illegal migrants. He is not a misogynist; he just expresses his sexual appreciation of them crudely, as men (and women) often do.

FFS. That is horrible excuse making.

And quite inaccurate – for example most people dislike Muslim terrorists, but Trump goes much further, saying he will shut out all Muslims, and ostracise those who currently live in the US. Same with ‘illegal immigrants’.

And ‘expresses his sexual appreciation of them crudely’ is a pathetic description.

Some of his coarseness was tactical, to energize and bring out immense numbers of lower-income, limited education yahoos who don’t normally vote. Some of it is his dislike of political correctness, and some part of his nature is emotional immaturity and hyper-sensitivity. It doesn’t remind anyone of Washington or Lincoln, but it doesn’t make it more likely that he will blow up the world.

He would, as a talented and historically bipartisan deal-maker, get the give-and-take system with the Congress working again and get it past the recent impasse between the use of unconstitutional executive orders and constant threats to shut down the government.

Talented and historically bipartisan deal-maker? He has torn the Republican Party apart, and has blamed the Democrats and the media of rigging the election, and worse. Much worse.

This is not the end of America or a serious blow to democracy. Either of these two candidates will be better than many U.S. past presidents and than most of the other current leaders of important countries. Vulgar though it is, if this campaign wasn’t an engrossing spectacle, we wouldn’t bother watching it.

It may not be the end of American democracy but it is dragging it down to new lows. US credibility has taken a serious hit.

Sorry Alan. While Conrad Black makes valid points his excuse making for horrible behaviour and his describing a terrible campaign as ‘how democracy is supposed to work’ is terrible.

And Black is not alone in his promoting of Trump’s chances.

Tom Howell Jr at Washington Times: Trump within striking distance of Clinton despite groping allegations

Donald Trump’s allies tried their best Sunday to tamp down an eruption of stories accusing the Republican presidential nominee of untoward sexual advances against women, as national polls showed the billionaire businessman still within striking distance of Hillary Clinton after a horrendous week.

The poll gap has eased a bit but it is still an uphill battle for Trump, – and up a fairly slippery slope.

His running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, said he “couldn’t be more proud” to stand shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Trump, despite the rising tally of women who have accused the presidential candidate of groping and other unwanted advances over the past few decades.

Former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani also vouched for the real estate developer.

“I believe my friend Donald Trump when he tells me he didn’t do it,” he told CNN’s “State of the Union” program. “I know Donald. I have been with him for 28 years. I have never seen him do anything like that.”

No mention of the growing number of complainants, just parading a couple of excusers.

Mr. Trump has three weeks to make up ground lost in must-win battleground states before voters have their say on Nov. 8.

He has a lot of making up to do.  Real Clear Politics had him easing to -5.7% over the weekend but have just bumped the gap back up to 6.4%.

Are Black and Howell part of a pro-Trump conspiracy?  I don’t think so, they just promote him over Clinton and make excuses for him.

 

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44 Comments

  1. Pete Kane

     /  18th October 2016

    As much as I dislike so much of Trump, I’m not sure he’s the one harking back to Nikita Khrushchev. She’s nuts. And so, is much of the (MSM) ‘journalism’, that is following her, literally..
    “Trump an ‘unprecedented threat: Press group
    The Washington Posts’s media columnist Margaret Sullivan discusses how Donald Trump is threatening press rights in the U.S. and how a journalism advocacy group is opposing the candidate.”

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  2. Pete Kane

     /  18th October 2016

    Actually, an improving Monday, for the Trump campaign and its candidate’s ‘difficulties. In addition to the Wiki stuff, this probe into the FBI is much harder for the MSM to skip.

    And a different take (because we are such fair and objective chaps here at YNZ), from a Clinton supporter.

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  3. “Hillary Clinton, though she would probably be an improvement on the recent past, represents continuity of what has been the most catastrophic 20 years of misgovernment in American history.

    I think that’s debatable.”

    Debate it with Thomas Frank,
    http://www.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/videoAndAudio/channels/publicLecturesAndEvents/player.aspx?id=3606.

    “Financial inequality is one of the biggest political issues of our time: from the Wall Street bailouts to the rise of the One Percent, who between them control forty-percent of the US wealth. So where are the Democrats – the notional ‘party of the people’ in all of this? Author Thomas Frank will examine how the Left in America has abandoned its roots to pursue a new supporter – elite professionals – and how this unprecedented shift away from its working-class roots ultimately deepens the rift between the rich and poor in the US.”

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  4. Pete Kane

     /  18th October 2016

    A short time ago. Well this guy looks less convincing than some of Trump’s accusers – and this guy’s a paid Govt. ‘pro’ (well, a salaried one anyway).

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  5. Klik Bate

     /  18th October 2016

    Political commentator Tammy Bruce tells ‘CBS Face-the-Nation’:

    “I’m voting for Mr Trump on behalf of the thousands of women who deserve not to be murdered by one of the 12 million illegal alien criminals in this nation” :/

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/16/tammy_bruce_i_prefer_to_be_offended_by_trump_on_occassion_than_to_be_left_for_dead_by_hillary.html

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  6. MaureenW

     /  18th October 2016

    Where’s the post on excusing Clinton’s behaviour, or is she inexcusable?

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  18th October 2016

      If Clinton ever gives the electorate a masterclass on rape-culture then I’m confident that she will get similar treatment…
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/donald-trump-words-what-rape-culture-looks-like

      In the meantime I suppose that we will have to get by with the GOP’s 25 year-long media campaign against the Democrats, Russian email hacking, and the Wikileaks movement from liberal beacon to mouthpiece for El Trumpo…
      https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/oct/14/wiileaks-from-liberal-beacon-to-a-prop-for-trump-what-has-happened
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-11/how-julian-assange-turned-wikileaks-into-trump-s-best-friend

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  18th October 2016

        Morning Joe,
        It’s all too apparent to me, that Julian is slowing going barking mad, being Holed up in a room for the last few years and like ‘they’ say, even his hair is going translucent.
        After reading that link re Wikileaks being a prop for Trump, that scenario is only in some peoples head. The rest do not give Wikileaks a second or even a first thought, even if they had the real date of the worlds destruction. 😉 So them appearing to support Trump is just another Headliner for some failing Tabloid.

        Trumps alleged ‘rape culture’ attitude is just that to me. alleged. I suspect he just has a big gob and sometimes his humour seems to run riot I could not imagine a man of his status, baying for the rape of young girls on a Sat night.
        I do not expect all men to follow the good fellow path, you know the ones … open the door for the lady and not push her out of the way trying to get in first.
        There are men IMHO … who think an say smart ass things about women and to woman, but to many men there is No underlying Hate woman culture going on.
        This I have heard from my many men friends. So I rightly or wrongly measure all men by my group of men friends and they are awesome and love women respect them care for them support them and generally love them to smithereens, they also have days when they just whinge like bitches and bad mouth their darlin with a smile on their dial and we all laugh because we all know who wears the pants in all those relationships. 🙂
        The fact is it’s either Trump or Clinton for POTUS and that there is the problem, for me.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  18th October 2016

          You are a wise woman, Possum.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  18th October 2016

            Possum doesn’t seem to mind a married man of his age saying that it would be great to have sex with a teenager because she is deeply disturbed and they are always the best at sex-I don’t want to think about how he knows this.This shows a revolting callousness and lack of compassion. Let’s not support these vulnerable girls, let’s have sex with them. Bad fathers ? That’s a bonus, they are the ones with whom sex is really great. This isn’t fun, this is serious perversion.

            Men of that age are dirty old men when they talk about girls in that way. It’s repellent.

            If some man grabbed my genitals and then claimed that this was loving and respectful (!) and then some woman said that this was his way of showing love and respect, I’d think that there was something seriously wrong with both of them. I wonder if PP would be all right with some married man wanting to have sex with her daughter of 18 and telling the whole world about this, accompanied by remarks about the girl’s breasts on a nationwide broadcast,

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  18th October 2016

              You keep going on about this, Kitty, but it is exaggerated tosh:

              “What do you think of Lindsay Lohan?” Trump asked Stern, 62, during the interview, which was unearthed by CNN.

              “I think she’s hot,” Stern replied. Trump agreed, but admitted he wasn’t keen on the former child star’s freckles. “There’s something there, right? But you have to like freckles. I’ve seen a, you know, close up of her chest and a lot of freckles. Are you into freckles?” he said. “I’m not into freckles, but the red hair thing I like.”

              The interview happened during the height of Lohan’s success with her blockbuster smash Mean Girls. “Can you imagine the sex with this troubled teen?” Stern asked during their chat. Trump replied, “She’s probably deeply troubled and therefore great in bed. How come the deeply troubled women — you know, deeply, deeply troubled — they’re always the best in bed?”

              He doesn’t say he wants to have sex with her. In fact he dislikes her freckles although he likes red hair. However he thinks she is probably great in bed because she is troubled and emotional.

              What is your issue apart from your hatred of him?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  18th October 2016

              I dislike sexual predators and the harm they do to their victims. I find the idea of a man of that age gazing at a teenager’s chest and talking about it very creepy. He says that she’s probably great in bed-which means that he’s been thinking about it-as deeply troubled women are.

              How would he know this ? The comments about the fathers of these girls and women, omitted by you, are very unbecoming, to say the least. Did he say that Lindsay Lohan was one of those with a bad father ? I think so, but can’t be sure.

              It would be a better look to show compassion, not see these young women in terms of how good they are at sex.

              I will never, I hope, find that sort of attitude acceptable. The damage done by men who think that taking advantage of vulnerable girls is immeasurable.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  18th October 2016

              I quoted all of the piece that was in the source I found. If you have more, quote and source it.

              Men are designed to impregnate women. Young women especially as they are most fertile. Get over it. He’s probably right that emotional women are better in bed than unemotional ones. That doesn’t mean that they are done harm at all. They probably find it more enjoyable and satisfying than a cold fish type.

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  18th October 2016

    I think you’ve got blinkers on, PG. What exactly is the horrible behaviour you want to condemn? You don’t know Trump. Black does. He says “Personally, his conversation is a good deal less coarse than Hillary Clinton’s, and his demeanour is more equable.”

    How do you know Black is wrong?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  18th October 2016

      And you are not the only one wearing those blinkers. Just the facts:
      http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/301285-media-and-trump-bias-not-even-trying-to-hide-it-anymore

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  18th October 2016

      “How does Pete know Black is wrong?”

      I won’t speak for PG but I will speak on my own behalf. There are a variety of reasons why I don’t trust Black as far as I could throw him:

      1. he writes for Canada’s National Post, which is to the conservative right of Fox News when it comes to partisan reportage

      2. in his book History of Canada, Black consigns the contribution of the indigenous peoples of Canada to 3 pages of racist accusations and sweeping conclusions out of the 1,000 pages in the book – ergo, he writes like a dinosaur

      3. Black is a long-time friend of Trump’s and has used Trump to sing his praises at Hollinger shareholder meetings; in return Trump became involved in a joint property development deal with Hollinger – ergo, there is a friendly history of mutual support between Black and Trump that destroys any vestige of impartiality that Black may lay claim to

      4. Black has previously demonstrated fawning adulation for the late crack-smoking bloviating blowhard Rob Ford, during which Torontonians got further lies to justify the mayor’s behaviour, and a willing host to provide a platform for his claims – much the same as Black is doing for Trump now

      Black has a terminal case of Old-White-Man-Forgives-Other-White-Men-Their-Foibles Disease.

      Proof of the pudding is in Black’s comment that “Trump’s entire voluminous record of public comments can be ransacked without finding a scintilla of evidence to support the charge of racism or sectarian prejudice”
      Um, really? Trump kicked off his campaign suggesting that Mexican immigrants were rapists and murderers. His campaign’s “Black outreach” almost entirely consists of telling white audiences that Black people in America live in urban savagery. He used broken English to imitate Chinese and Japanese negotiators. And that’s just the last year and a half! Trump has a long history of racist behaviour and comments. He’s a racist.

      Or Black saying of Trump: “he has sometimes said rude things about some women, usually very obnoxious women, but never about the female sex”
      Um, really? Again? Trump, in a 1990 New Yorker interview: “Women. You have to treat them like shit.”

      Or Black again: Trump stands for tax reform
      Yeah whatever… Trump’s tax plan is “reform” only in the sense that it is a series of massive tax cuts targeting the most wealthy Americans.

      Black’s a shill for Trump

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  18th October 2016

        So you don’t know Black is wrong but you don’t like him. No surprise there then.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  18th October 2016

        Black on his “Indian” critics:

        At the arrival of the Europeans, the original inhabitants of North America shared a Stone Age civilization; they had not discovered the wheel, had barely begun the cultivation of crops or the construction of even primitive permanent buildings, and devoted almost all their energies not required by hunting to constant and purposeless warfare featuring the torturing to gruesome death of women and children. Their talents were great and they were often impressive and handsome men and women. They have many just grievances that remain unredressed, but they were millennia in arrears of the civilizations of Europe and would have benefitted tremendously from progress, had that progress been introduced in a far less destructive way.

        It is a fine thing that talented novelists such as Chateaubriand with his “beaux sauvages,” James Fennimore Cooper (Last of the Mohicans and The Deerslayer), and some able contemporary writers, should romanticize these native societies; this is excellent literature. But it is fiction, and I am writing history. The CBC unearthed someone to claim on its website that I was motivated in my reflections on the native people by snobbery and economic condescension. If he wants to stop playing trick or treat and write that I am a racist, which is what he was implying, it will be my pleasure to sue him and the outlet he uses for his vitriol, for defamation, as I have successfully sued many others.

        http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/conrad-black-a-word-of-reply-to-my-critics

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  18th October 2016

    NBC sits on the Trump-Bush tape for 11 years, produces it to attack Trump and then fires Bush for his chit chat contribution a decade ago. What a pack of first rate wankers.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11731145

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  18th October 2016

      And as if these executive scumbags aren’t perfectly aware that Ms Zucker’s sex appeal was a major factor in her employment on the show. As no doubt was she.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th October 2016

        She isn’t paid to have her genitals grabbed or have sex with men who appear as extras on the show. If that was in her contract, my mistake.

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  9. Joe Bloggs

     /  18th October 2016

    Melania defends Trump: He was ‘egged on’ to make comments with Billy Bush. Dear Ghods, please don’t let him be egged on by Putin… huge problems with a presidential candidate like Trump who is putty in the hands of others…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11731101

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  18th October 2016

      You want putty? Vote Hillary. Except she won’t be your putty.

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  10. MaureenW

     /  18th October 2016

    It sure is a race to the bottom .. waiting ……
    http://www.infowars.com/drudge-report-promises-hillary-sex-bombshell/

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    • Klik Bate

       /  18th October 2016

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th October 2016

        Don’t get all excited, Maureen, it’s just the very, very old story about Hillary Clinton being a lesbian and I doubt if there will be any explicit details for those who find that sort of thing thrilling. If she is one, what a non-story except for those who find the mere idea thrilling-I suppose that there are still some of those around.

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        • Maureen Wii

           /  18th October 2016

          I’m not excited Kitty, just looking for some balance to this bawdy, garbage. You realise if hills has some gag-worthy sex baggage, she’ll be well ahead in the race to the bottom for her corruption.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  18th October 2016

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th October 2016

        Having sex is not in itself corruption, and the choice of the word (sic) gag-worthy is revealing of your attitude-or that’s what it looks like. Do I detect some homophobia ? If you find it so repulsive, why are you so eager to hear about it ? It’s like listening at the keyhole. You have expressed great interest in the sex lives of the Clintons before, despite the fact that he is a septugenarian.

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        • MaureenW

           /  18th October 2016

          I believe you’ve probably made most comments here on Trump’s non-escapades. I’d gained the impression that curtain twitching and tut-tut was rather your specialty. Re-read your own comments.
          You attempt in your commenting style to make inferences about others that simply don’t exist, a bit sad really.

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  11. Kitty Catkin

     /  18th October 2016

    A married man hitting 60 makes remarks about an 18 year old girl’s freckled chest and how great sex with her would be, as it always is with deeply disturbed women. This is creepy, perverted, predatory thinking. Their father are bad-this means that they are likely to be great in bed. I don’t know why two men of the ages of Stern and Trump think this, but it’s very sickening to think of men preying on disturbed young women in this way.

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    • David

       /  18th October 2016

      “it’s very sickening to think of men preying on disturbed young women in this way.”

      Not a fan of strip clubs clearly…

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th October 2016

        Strippers are doing what they do voluntarily and for more money that I have ever earned. The idea that they are ‘disturbed’ is insulting and patronising as is the idea that they are being preyed on. The audience, not all of whom are men, from what I gather-go in, pay to see nude dancing, see it and go. How is this a predatory thing ? It would be that if some dirty old man inveigled a vulnerable girl to do it.

        Do you see male strippers as disturbed and the audience as predators ? I don’t.

        The difference between consenting adults doing something voluntarily and some damaged young person being exploited because the damage has made them vulnerable is immense.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  18th October 2016

          “some damaged young person being exploited because the damage has made them vulnerable”

          That interpretation is entirely from your own head and is completely disconnected from anything Trump said.

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