I usually don’t care much for political labels, because politics is much more complex than petty pigeon-holing allows (at least from my point of view).

Even the simplistic left and right have acquired different slants.

The alt-right label is getting a bit of attention with it’s association with Donald Trump in the US. Even it is fairly loosely defined.

The alt-right is a segment of right-wing ideologies that reject mainstream conservatism in the United States. It is largely Internet-based and found on websites such as 4chan and 8chan, where anonymous members create and use Internet memes to express themselves. It is difficult to tell how much of what people write is serious, and how much is intended to provoke outrage. The alt-right uses social media likeTwitter and Breitbart News to convey their message.

Generally alt-right postings support Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, and oppose immigration, multiculturalism and political correctness.

The alt-right has no formal ideology, although various sources and alt-right figures have stated that white nationalism is fundamental. It has also been associated with white supremacism, anti-Islamism, antifeminism, antisemitism, ethno-nationalism, right-wing populism, nativism, traditionalism, and the neoreactionary movement. The alt-right is an umbrella term. The movement has been associated with multiple ideologies from anarcho-capitalists, American Nationalism, neo-monarchists to men’s rights advocates and people who oppose mainstream conservatism.

– Wikipedia

Alt-left seems less prominent, although there have been attempts to connect it with Hillary Clinton.

ATLEFT.COM simply describes themselves as “The left wing of the AltRight”, which is pretty pointless.

From Quora – Is alt-left an operative concept in US politics in a similar sense of alt-right?

There is indeed an Alt Left movement but it is quite small. In fact, it is much smaller than the Alt Right. The Alt Left could possibly be seen as “the left wing of the Alt Right.” The original Alt Leftists were Leftists and progressives on the Alt Right who felt very uncomfortable and out of place there for many reasons, mostly because in many ways, these people ARE Leftwingers, despite their presence on the Alt Right. They finally broke away from the Alt Right and formed an Alt Left.

The Alt Left has been described in many ways. “It’s the Alt Right, except they like Mao more than they like Hitler,” is not a bad description.

The Alt Left is where the Left and Right meet at the bottom of the circle if you envision politics as circular instead of linear.

Most Alt Lefties supported Bernie Sanders, but Sanders would probably not like the Alt Left much. Now most of them will vote for Hillary even though they hate her. A few are voting for Trump.

The Alt Left has all sorts of wings but some commonalities seem to be a negative view of the Cultural Left ranging from annoyance to contempt alongside explicitly leftwing economics. So they are Left on economics, but somewhat Right on culture.

This sounds all over the place.

I’ve sometimes thought of myself as centre-ish but that’s often misunderstood. I am not in the centre of every issue, nor do I have no strong opinions or political convictions as some seem to think a non-lefty or non-righty must be.

I see myself as a bit ‘alternative’ in politics. I certainly don’t feel like I belong to any particular political faction or label. I like to challenge those who have fixed positions and think they are staunchly right or left.

In political debate and in how I like to run Your NZ I often (not always) I stand in the middle of those with fixed ideas, considering the merits and the negatives of both sides.

Sometimes I agree more with leftish positions, sometimes more with rightish positions, but I can’t define when I might lean one way or the other, or might have a neutral-ish opinion, or a mix.

I don’t see why it’s not ok to have, for example, a conservative approach to socialism, or think that a social conscience is an important aspect of decent capitalism.

Centre and centrist seem too positional to me so I’m going off those terms for my own way of looking at things.

So for today at least I’m tending more towards alt-middlish – when I’m not agreeing with more polarised positions.

At least this doesn’t paint me into any political corners.

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  1. Gezza

     /  22nd October 2016

    I’m mainly a mix of alt-bemused, alt-diffused, and anti-alt I think.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd October 2016

      Sounds like you are ready to ctl-alt-delete, G.

      • Gezza

         /  22nd October 2016

        Knowing what they know now I certainly think the US should ctl+alt+delete the Presidential election campaign, Alan.

        A restart might be a lot better for them than allowing those two bug-ridden apps to carry on running & completely screw up their OS.

  2. Well Pete, I have participated in a number of those questionnaires that are claimed to identify what your political position in. In every case I find myself rated immediately Left of the origin. Others may believe I am different, but I do have the same feelings about things, by and large as you have outlined. I think my views are more little “l” liberal, but I am strongly opposed to marxist=leninist socialism for historical reasons. Not one of us can claim to know it all and thus be the sole arbiter of truth. My instincts are to listen to reason and try and find the “middle way” but am conscious of the need to not have my positions defined by the extremes of Left or Right.

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  22nd October 2016

    I like truth and freedom and good new stuff. I really don’t care at all where I land on the Left-Right axis and it is probably different on every issue.


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