On prostitution

RNZ has done a series of programs on prostitution.

Podcasts:

The Oldest Profession Part 1: Tales from the Brothel

Why do people decide to try working in the sex industry? And once in, what is it like?

In the first of a three-podcast series, Philippa Tolley visits boutique agencies, a brothel based in a smart home in the suburbs and speaks to a woman with experience at big licensed clubs –  all to hear from the workers themselves about the experience of being a prostitute.

The Oldest Profession Part 2: The Business of Sex

If you are running a sex business, how does it all work? What are the practicalities of selecting a sex worker, managing clients and keeping it all discreet?

Is there an ideal sex worker? Can clients be difficult?

And in 2016, why do men still use brothels?

The Oldest Profession Part 3: From the Street

The image of a woman soliciting from the streets is frequently used as the face of prostitution.

In reality it’s the smallest part of the industry. But why would someone choose a cold pavement over a warm brothel?

Foreign prostitutes heading to NZ illegally

New Zealand appears to be becoming a destination for prostitutes from overseas even though it’s illegal for them to work here.

Article:

“It’s where I feel at home”: Life in the Sex Industry

As part of our series looking into the sex industry, The Oldest Profession, Phillipa Tolley gives a personal perspective on the candour and camaraderie of the women she met.

Laughing was the last thing I thought I’d be doing while talking to sex workers, but I’ve spent the last weeks smiling and chortling and editing podcasts with some of the best giggles I’ve ever recorded.

None of it is shy, ‘cover your embarrassment’ tittering – it was wry humour.

 

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26 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  29th October 2016

    Good to see an open-minded but intelligent approach from the media. When can we have that for the recreational drugs industry? Not untill the law decriminalises it I think. Catch 22 enforced by the Americans.

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  2. Blazer

     /  29th October 2016

    the use of prostitutes as portrayed in the ‘WOLF of Wall St’ is just another indictment on the corrupt financial titans that rule the world.I guess that old cliche ‘the worlds oldest profession’ is still valid.I cannot see why 2016 is relevant…’And in 2016, why do men still use brothels?’

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    • Gezza

       /  29th October 2016

      I can imagine that sometimes in the long run it’s actually less expensive?

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      • Blazer

         /  29th October 2016

        probably…filed under ‘outsourcing your sexual needs’…complete with .K.P.I’s.

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        • Gezza

           /  29th October 2016

          Well, I’ve never used one & I’m not likely to, but one guitar pickin’ friend I used to jam with occasionally did for a few weeks when he & his wife had a bust up & she moved out for a while. He just wasn’t great at feeling & expressing affection, & I understood why she was hurt that he just couldn’t do that. But she was also a pretty moody in-your-face sort of personality who could turn a simple gidday into “what the hell is good about it?” depending on how she was feeling that particular day.

          The prostitute he visited at a local brothel he said was young, pleasant, not all that expensive & shared a joint he offered her afterwards, and it was a pleasant experience, without any issues or angst for either party afterwards. The funny thing was his missus, a nurse, would still ring up and come round for her sex one night a week while she was waiting for him to wake his ideas up. He never changed, but they worked it out somehow & she just moved back with him & their boys after a couple of months.

          I’m listening to the podcasts in Pete’s post to see what I can learn about them and their clients because I’m curious. My impression is that’s not all just clients simply outsourcing their sex lives.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  29th October 2016

        One of England’s most famous madams, Madame Cyn, had a client who had a housework fetish. I am not making this up. He would pay her good money TO LET HIM CLEAN HER HOUSE.All she had to do was come along from time to time (and crack a whip ? I forget the details) and say ‘So you’re too high and mighty to (vacuum the floor or whatever it was) ? We’ll soon see about that !’

        The idea of someone paying to do the housework and leave the place immaculate is eye-watering. When I was in my last year at Victoria, I did some cleaning….but nobody ever offered me a large amount of money to let them clean my place.

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        • Blazer

           /  29th October 2016

          you forgot…’while she was dressed in a garter belt ,leather and brandished a whip…which she belted him with ,to keep his mind ..on the job!

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  29th October 2016

            It was the UK, so would be called a suspender belt. What do Americans call garters that people keep socks up with (and that brides wear) ?

            I thought that a whip was involved, but didn’t remember anything else-the idea of someone PAYING to be allowed to clean someone else’s house and leave it immaculate was too mind-boggling.

            None of yer once-over-lightly-I’ll-do-it-thoroughly-next-time jobs that one tends to do in one’s own house….

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  29th October 2016

              Right on cue, GrabOne’s offering a house cleaning package….but you have to pay them, not them you.

        • Corky

           /  29th October 2016

          I read her book. Loved the pictures of her and the Group Captain dressed in womens underwear. The politician and vicar didn’t do much for me. I think her name was Cynthia Payne. My version of her book was a paperback.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  30th October 2016

            I don’t remember that, but her name was Cynthia Payne-she died fairly recently. I remember her giving discounts to pensioners and taking luncheon vouchers (I didn’t know what those were) And, of course, the housework man, I bet that every woman who’s read the book remembers him…..

            Have you read Belle Poitrine’s book ? It’s terribly funny.

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  3. Kitty Catkin

     /  29th October 2016

    My mother realised somehow that the very nice lady who was now the partner of a local widower had been one of the town’s ladies of the night. She said that this woman seemed like the kind who could make almost any man feel good about himself, and I imagine that the ones at the top of the profession would be like that. It would be a package deal, so to speak. This woman and those like her would have the ability to make the client feel interesting and attractive-it wouldn’t be just the sex and out the door.

    Pam Corkery should have known that the odds against women being the ones paying were astronomical-the tradition that when money is involved it goes to us, not from us, is too long established.

    The last time that I was in Wellington, a warm (for there) day was followed by a nippy evening, and when I was walking along a shortcut I said something about it being a cold night to a man who was also there. His reaction was odd-instead of saying that it was, indeed, he seemed to be regretfully indicating that he hadn’t much cash on him. It was some time before I realised that I had been taken for a lady of the night-at least I was taken for an expensive one and not a cheap one 😀

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    • Klik Bate

       /  29th October 2016

      Yes you need to be very careful these days Kitty. There’s some really weird bastards out there.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  29th October 2016

        There always have been-you want to read some of the c.18 works like Boswell and Swift.

        I was flattered at the thought that someone assumed that I was probably too expensive for them 😀

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  29th October 2016

          The Classics make one realise that human nature doesn’t change.

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        • Blazer

           /  29th October 2016

          how much did he…have?

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          • Gezza

             /  29th October 2016

            About 3 or 4 doubles over the limit by the sound of it. Kitty said ” he seemed to be saying …”.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  30th October 2016

              He wasn’t drunk, if that’s what you mean. I didn’t ask how much he had, as it didn’t occur to me that mentioning what a cold night it was could be interpreted as meaning anything else, and wasn’t making an offer of any kind.

            • Gezza

               /  30th October 2016

              Well, unless you were wearing fishnet stockings, do you think maybe you’ve just got some alluring kind of walk? 👠👠 💋❓

  4. A 5 part series about prostitution and none of them are about the clients … That seems balanced …

    Well, maybe one tiny portion of one program … “Why do men still use prostitutes in 2016?” … Strange use of the word “still”? Do they mean “In this day and age?” The age of drones, clones and phones … of ‘virtual’ and remote barbarity …

    I wonder if they asked the clients or only asked the ‘girls’?

    A reminder of the heady days when prostitution was illegal but only prostitutes ever got prosecuted …

    Oh … that’s right … RNZ is selling radio … and sex sells …

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  5. Pickled Possum

     /  29th October 2016

    A few years ago a young girl left town and tried to get a job in Auckland and was turned down for every application, so hungry and homeless she become a prostitute. While visiting her one night to encourage her to go home, she had just got home from a ‘good nights work’ and emptied her bag out. With dollars all over the floor, she counted up the nights tally.

    She told me her biggest score that night was from a man who had recently lost his wife, a wife he had treated badly and more like a servant.
    She died suddenly and he hadn’t told her for the last years of their life together that he care and love her, so full of guilt was he that he paid this young girl $350 to beat him with his leather belt at the buckle end, all the while telling him that he was a ‘bad’ man and needed to pay the price of not treating his deceased wife with the love and devotion he said he would at their wedding.

    I was horrified that this young girl took part cheerfully in his redemption.
    Of course all the others sitting around looking at her $1000 nights wage said ‘Far out I’ll beat him for $350’
    I felt a soulful sadness for the man and the girl, as they both were dealing with their separate issues in a way that was devoid of a truth. .

    I have asked men who aren’t shy about sharing, why the need for sexual release with a stranger, and not with Mrs Palmer and her five daughters, or a lady they may meet at a nightclub.
    Most said they had their hearts broken by a death or splitting up of a long term relationship and being with a prostitute made it Sex with No strings and No emotion of the heart.
    But of course this only lasts until they realise that if they keep on Using prostitutes they would have no good or soul left to have a ‘normal’ relationship with a ‘Real’ woman in a ‘Real’ relationship.
    That’s how I feel about prostitution, for what it’s worth.

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  6. Blazer

     /  29th October 2016

    quite perplexing the ..’in 2016′!…I would suggest that prostitution is a growth industry.Monogamy,the sanctity of marriage is just an illusion to validate ‘our way of life’!

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    • “According to one [study], primates are monogamous so that nonrelated males don’t kill their babies. According to the other, that’s hooey; animals are monogamous because it was the only way they could guard their mates and thus their breeding rights.”

      http://healthland.time.com/2013/07/30/the-reason-for-monogamy-researchers-disagree/

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      • Re animals, they obviously haven’t met Pooky. But every pukeko hen round here for about a couple of kilomteres has. And he’s totally shameless about it too.

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        • A pointed note about the Darwinian-style transference of animal behaviour onto humans Gezza, thanks. What would that be called, “Reverse Anthromorphism”?

          It’s just not P.C. …

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          • Gezza

             /  30th October 2016

            I imagine monogamy is a social construct among humans. Probably got something to do with child raising bu plenty of human males don’t stick around to do that. Polygamy is fairly common where it’s socially and/ or culturally tolerated. Humans are far more complex mammals to try & understand than any other species though. There aren’t any others that kill their own over religious and political differences like us. Our emotions override instinct so much we’ve had to rely on intelligence to figure out how to survive as a species at all. Even how to survive as quite small communal groups.

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