Greens versus Donald Trump

In Parliament today on behalf of the Prime Minister Steven Joyce moved a motion in support of the election of the President of the United States.

Hon STEVEN JOYCE: I move, That the House convey its congratulations to President-elect Donald Trump on his election as the next President of the United States, and to Vice-President-elect Mike Pence on his election, and in doing so express our desire to work with the incoming Trump Administration to continue building on New Zealand’s already strong relationship with the United States.

New Zealand will seek to build on this already-strong relationship with the incoming Trump Administration in order to advance our shared interests. In closing, I would also like to pay tribute to the outgoing administration led by President Barack Obama. President Obama has been a good friend to New Zealand, and we wish him all the best in the future.

Hon ANNETTE KING (Deputy Leader—Labour): The Labour Party congratulates Donald Trump on becoming the 45th President of the United States. I also want to congratulate Hillary Clinton, who achieved much in her public life, and who has been a good friend to New Zealand. There is no doubt, over the year-long divisive presidential campaign, that many Americans have been left fearful and concerned as to where they fit in their county. I call on Mr Trump to follow through on his words and pledge last night that it is now time for America to bind the wounds of division, and that he will be the President for all Americans.

Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Leader—NZ First): A week ago today I was honoured to speak in winegrowing territory in Marlborough, to its chamber of commerce. In a speech entitled “The grapes of wrath”, I predicted what so many experts did not…[lengthy speech along the lines of how what Trump has done should be called ‘doing a Winston’]

MARAMA FOX (Co-Leader—Māori Party): I had three words in mind and they were not those ones. I think they were pot, kettle, and black. Ha! We are here today to offer congratulations to the President-Elect, Donald Trump. Although I find it a little bit difficult, there was a collective sigh this morning and a girding of the loins for the next 4 years across the world. I am a pragmatist at heart. I like to see the silver lining around the clouds.

DAVID SEYMOUR (Leader—ACT): On behalf of the ACT Party, I would like to join with other leaders who have supported the motion congratulating the 45th President-Elect of the United States, Donald Trump. That happens in the context of a long friendship between our two countries and our two peoples. I think it is important that we respect the will of the American people.

In contrast Metiria Turei took a different approach:

METIRIA TUREI (Co-Leader—Green): “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” These are the words of one of the truly great Americans, Martin Luther King Jr.

Yesterday’s result in the US elections has left me and the Green Party even more determined than ever to fight for the values that we believe in. We have generations of families living in poverty; people who face uncertain futures, without proper housing or healthcare or education; and people who do not believe that being involved can make a difference. That is something that we can—that we must—change.

We must use the Trump election as a powerful motivator, a motivator to stay involved in the governance of our country, and to include others in that process; to organise; to be strong; to listen to each other; to speak truth to power; to find hope; and to be kind to each other—to be kind.

So, no, I will not support this motion to congratulate Trump, and neither will the Green Party. We vow to fight the climate change denial, the misogyny, and the racism represented by Trump. We will not let hate triumph. Thank you.


Full transcript: https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20161110_20161110_08

The motion congratulating Donald Trump passed by 106 votes to 14 (the Green MPs).

The Greens are in to making stands based on their principles, and they can say what they like about the incoming president, and snub him if they choose.

But there is a well established democratic principle that even when you disagree with or don’t like political candidates if they are elected by their people then others need to accept this process and attempt at least to engage with and work with whoever leads other countries.

Perhaps this reflects the Greens’ lack of experience in that practicalities of governing situations.

You could shun half the country and half the world on principles, but to successfully govern the reality is you have to be prepared to accept whoever represents other countries and work with them.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama accepted that Trump had won the right to govern and Obama pledged to work with Trump to make his transition to power as seamless as possible, as he should.

If Greens became part of a government I wonder who it would work. They seem to not want to associate with many leaders and countries, including some of our biggest trading partners.

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21 Comments

  1. PDB

     /  November 10, 2016

    The Greens here sum up the far-left perfectly – to them democracy is only great when it provides the result they favour.

  2. Putin tips resumed trade talks with NZ
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/317824/putin-tips-resumed-trade-talks-with-nz

    Is Russia another country the Greens would refuse to deal with?

    • PDB

       /  November 10, 2016

      Considering the Greens think New Zealanders are so terrible they should be against us trading amongst ourselves………

  3. Corky

     /  November 10, 2016

    Someone tell METIRIA TUREI to piddle off. Who needs her? Well, not even the Greens if they only had the collective IQ to see that. What the Greens have done is start a process that will get them 5% support, if they are lucky, at the next election. Couldn’t happen to a better bunch of churlish twisted losers.

    • PDB

       /  November 10, 2016

      Lets hope the Gareth Appreciation party (GAP) steals some of the Green vote for spreading around all the other parties when he doesn’t make 5%.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  November 10, 2016

    If Putin is Donalds best friend maybe we can resume trade with Russia, selling milk as we rolled over quickly when Obama told is to and stopped trading,

    • lurcher: NZ stopped exporting to Russia had nothing to do with Obama.
      We stopped exporting to Russia because too many containers got stolen by corrupt Russian customs guards or transporters. In the end, no-one in NZ would send product to Russia without upfront payment in USD that was cleared first – and even then, it just wasn’t worth the hassle. The reason why NZ stopped trading with the Russians was because they were crooks – it had nothing to do with the Americans.

  5. Zedd

     /  November 10, 2016

    nice one Met. !! 😀

  6. duperez

     /  November 10, 2016

    Perhaps it does reflects the Greens’ lack of experience in the practicalities of governing situations. And niceties. Is it reasonable though, rather than look at their behaviour as churlish to suggest that expecting them to “play the game” is churlish too?

    Do we not live in a time when our Government does things in new ways, not according to traditional protocols but according to how it sees fit? Do we not live in a time when media leaders like Paul Henry are congratulated for having the balls to tell it like he sees it, tells it “like it is.”

    Do we not live in a time when an out-of-left-field candidate gains the nomination in a major USA political party for the Presidency, eschewed the niceties, didn’t play the game the usual way and told it like he saw it? And got elected.

    (I’m not sure what not taking the opportunity to congratulate Trump says about preparedness to accept whoever represents other countries and work with them.)

    • Corky

       /  November 10, 2016

      What it shows is an underlying philosophy of idealism above practicality .You can play the tough guy outsider game if you are a tough guy outsider. The Greens aren’t. Trump is. They will never be able to dictate political terms either as a stand alone party, or in a coalition. They need to be taught beggars cannot be chooses, that crawling for political scraps is the name of their game. Therefore congratulating President Trumpy should be the order of their day. But,hey. Good on them for thinking big. More fun for election 2017.

      • David

         /  November 10, 2016

        The Greens are activists, not politicians.

        • Corky

           /  November 10, 2016

          Then they should leave parliament…and not bludge off the system they hate. Save us taxpayers dollars on these sour losers.

  7. alloytoo

     /  November 10, 2016

    Like science, Democracy is only an expedience for the Green Cult.

    • PDB

       /  November 11, 2016

      You’re right about science…..

      *The Greens say man-made climate change is correct because a majority of scientists say it is so.
      *The Greens say GMO’s are not safe even though a majority of scientists & the biggest study into GMO’s ever done say they are safe.

  8. The Greens breach a democratic norm (showing respect for the democratic process of a friendly country) because Trump has shown contempt for democratic norms.
    I guess irony is not a strong suit of the Greens.

  9. Paul Henry just asked Annette King if she thought the Green statement in Parliament. She said it was unwise. She supported the Greens’ right to free speech but emphasised the need to recognise democratically elected leaders and the need to work with them.

  10. I thought the heading should have been “OFFENSIVE AND INSULTING”. I too have strong reservations about the credibility of the scientific consensus on climate change and regard it as “not proven”. Unfortunately the pigs scoffing in the triugh of money dedicated to ‘climate change” and “environmental ” protection” becomes the means to the end of personal enrichment. Make no mistake I consider we must take care of the environment, flora and fauna, water and air qualities. However the fascination with Carbon and Oxygen flies in the face of the fact they are amongst the most important elements for the creation and protection of flora and fauna as well as humankind,

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