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20 November 2016

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  1. Conspiratoor

     /  20th November 2016

    Homeward bound up the pointy end while catching up with the world’s finest political blog. Feels surreal to chow down on haute cuisine while reflecting on poor ole grandaddy’s diary of the Somme. Blown up and gassed but remained alive long enough after the war to breed, something for which I am exceedingly glad. What would the old fellow make of the world today I wonder? What would he think of his soft-arsed grandson?
    His entry on the same day in 1918, 9 days after Armistice…

    “Slept on hard boards. Up again at 5.30am. Breakfast Anzac wafers and Tea. Dull day and cold. Rolled blankets-usual hard march Bavay-Rousignes 9 kilos-In an old manure works. Boko rats. Thousands of bales of straw. Whole Company in the one building. Turned in early. Very short of the old tabac – Private Charles Petterson, 9th Hauraki, Auckland Infantry Regiment”

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    • It’s a very good question C: What would he and those he served alongside think of the world today?

      Did they really want a War Memorial monument in every town and village? Or, as I have heard, did they want reading-rooms, community facilities, apprentice, technical college and university scholarships …? A League of Nations …? They might think very highly of a “soft arsed grandson” C … You might be surprised.

      And I wonder what they thought and felt, deep down, about their ‘service’?

      Just a year prior to the outbreak of WW1 the country had been violently divided by the Great Strike of 1913, the use of scab labour and the PM’s ‘Special Constables’, “Massey’s Cossacks” … when, as James Belich wrote, “New Zealand came closer to class war than at any other time in its history”. This followed the November 1912 mob riot against striking miners in Waihi that resulted in the beating-to-death of miner’s union member Fred Evans …

      “If blood be the price of your cursed wealth: Good God we have bought it fair”

      And I wonder if any of the old soldiers thought seriously about why England went to war with Germany? Was it to protect poor little Belgium? Or was it in the hope that between them England, France and Russia would destroy the British Empire’s principal economic rival?

      And what, I sometimes wonder, did they think of the horrendous toll of sacrifice asked and required of the ANZACs, the highest of any Commonwealth nation per capita in WW1?

      I wonder if any of them ever thought, as Belich also wrote, “The objective of the NZ war effort was to entrench and augment the special relationship with Britain … The method was to create a moral debt in British minds … by exceeding the unquestioning loyalty and eager sacrifice even of the other dominions.”

      ” … to repay Britannia’s imperial mortgage: in the butter and cheese of its dairy factories, and the blood of its sons.” – Chris Trotter

      “Our Boys across the barbed wire … Tempted and Snared” – Shona Laing, ‘Banned’ …

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  20th November 2016

        Some good thoughts parti. He went to war not through any affinity with mother England, but because he was a young man full of testosterone and wanted to see the world. Cheers,c

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  20th November 2016

    Just home myself after showing my wife a bit of the South Island including a first hand experience of a major earthquake in Hanmer. We were very fortunate there compared with a lot of people not very far away. Fate is a funny thing.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  20th November 2016

    How many hospitals were there in Aleppo.The Russians seemed have bombed a new one everyday.Those arabs have a better hospital system than we have in Wellington,SHAME on you john key

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    • Gezza

       /  20th November 2016

      Guessing you haven’t seen the hospitals referred to, or rather the horribly under-equipped emergency rooms and first aid stations the poor blighters are forced to take their casualties and sick people to. Get real Lurch.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  20th November 2016

        Gezza it says HOSPITALS bombed not room or surgeries HOSPITALS , there must hundreds or is this just propaganda against the dreaded Russians

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        • Gezza

           /  20th November 2016

          Do you watch Al Jazeera Lurch? Have you seen some of these hospitals? Poor bastards. If you think NZ needs lots more hospitals like those, you need your head read.

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          • patupaiarehe

             /  20th November 2016

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          • Gezza

             /  20th November 2016

            And Lurch, as you haven’t posted a link I have no idea what news item you are referring to, but a guardian item refers to a childrens’s hospital, and other “medical facilities” which would be, from what I’ve seen, a more accurate description. Do I think what Russian & Syrian Air Forces are doing is appalling? Yes I do.

            Do I think the Syrian Opposition Forces at Aleppo – mostly Al Qaeda affiliates & Sunni fundamentalists – would behave any better towards Assad loyalists and other non-Sunnis if they defeated Assad, no I don’t. They haven’t numerous times. The thing is, Lurch, we can’t sort out who are the good guys and bad guys there. Every report has some sort of bias.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  20th November 2016

        lurch is not real G, just saying…

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  4. patupaiarehe

     /  20th November 2016

    Whatcha got for me G? I’m looking forward to a ‘new release’ from the 70’s
    I showed this one to Patu Jr earlier, and I can hear him in his room right now figuring it out. Nothing motivates a teenaged boy, like a foxy redheaded girl playing better than him.. 😀

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  5. Gezza

     /  20th November 2016

    I really lke this:

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    • Gezza

       /  20th November 2016

      And this.

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  20th November 2016

        For sure G, she is nothing short of splendid. And she gets a lot of respect from me, FWIW, for refusing to accept that award.

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        • Gezza

           /  20th November 2016

          The first one sounds almost entirely sequenced. But they’re both nice melodies, easy on the ear, great lyrics, soulful, beautifully done. I like their simplicity. Just the lady and her wonderfully controlled voice on display. She’s quite right – we need a soul category in our music awards. She’s not a hip hop artist. She’s not even just a soul singer, though she’d very likely have taken out the award in that category as well. Very versatile from what I’ve heard so far.

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  6. patupaiarehe

     /  20th November 2016

    Since Patu Jr is learning this song, thanks to the internet, we have watched several covers of it, in order to get a few hints, and some inspiration. This girl does the ‘heavy’ version justice, IMHO…

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  20th November 2016

    It is, of course, merely an unfortunate coincidence that the man who set fire to himself in the Melbourne bank injuring 27 people was another Muslim immigrant.

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