Māori – Mana marriage?

The Māori Party and Mana’s Hone Harawira are talking about getting back together for next year’s election. The reconciliation is being brokered by Tuku Morgan.

RNZ: Māori Party and Mana Party agree to put differences aside

The Māori and Mana parties have formally agreed to develop their relationship ahead of next year’s general election.

The executives of both parties met in Whangarei today to discuss their future after they put their differences behind them in July.

Māori Party president Tukuroirangi Morgan said they would now focus on developing Māori politics, and doing what was best for Māori.

If Harawira and the Mana Party join forces with the Māori Party for next year’s election it raises some interesting questions.

Would this rule out Māori -Mana helping National form a government? Harawira has been staunchly against this in the past, while the Māori MPs feel they can do more good in Government rather than in Opposition.

And if Māori and Mana make arrangements about who will stand in each of the Māori electorates how will Labour manage that? Do deals with the Greens? Will that be enough to hold onto the six electorates they have regained.

Labour has been criticised in the past for taking it’s Māori seats for granted and not delivering much to the Māori constituency.

Labour have already sounded a bit like jilted brides when the Māori -Mana remarriage was mooted.

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25 Comments

  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  24th November 2016

    I can’t see Hone Harawira not wanting to be the leader; the Harawiras are for the Harawiras.

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  2. Corky

     /  24th November 2016

    A marriage made in heaven…for National. The Maori Party is obviously feeling the heat from their grass root constituents. Many so thick they consider the Maori Party has been “brown nosing” Whitey to often. Do these idiots remember what Labour gave them? Yeah,nothing. That said, the Maori Party must believe Leopards can change their spots. Obviously they haven’t learnt their lesson regarding Hone. I wonder if Marama Fox’s outspokenness is to blame for Maori wanting more of the same? If by chance the Maori Party believe the upcoming election would enable them to become major players, they had better think again.
    Oh, please John Key, give us an early election on the grounds of mandating hard decisons regarding the earthquake. The Left would be wiped out.

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    • Key isn’t into opportunistic early elections. He knows that is likely to be punished by voters.

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      • Corky

         /  24th November 2016

        How do you work out the voters would punish Key for an early election , Pete?

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        • John Key says there won’t be an early election in 2017.

          “The reality is…to have an early election you can’t just say it’s a lovely day in March, let’s have an election,” Key told RNZ.

          In order to hold a snap election the Government would have to lose a vote of no confidence or go to the Governor General and say it could no longer command a majority.

          http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/83900744/John-Key-says-election-to-be-held-in-back-half-of-2017

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          • Corky

             /  24th November 2016

            I understand you just can’t call an early election on a sunny March day for the hell of it. But if he announced one on Dec 1 for May 20, I can’t see what the problem is. But as you have posted above, there are rules. Option 2 could be a goer. Ironically, probably not after the next political polls come out. Why did Winston suggest an early election? Surely he must know the rules? Pity, all the political stars are currently aligned for National. As Muldoon would say ” when better to kick a man.”

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            • As Muldoon said when he called the snap election in 1984: “”It doesn’t give my opponents much time”.

              National won 37 seats to Labour’s 56.

            • Corky

               /  24th November 2016

              Yes, but you and I could have won that election. Muldoon was as divisive as Key is popular.

            • Gezza

               /  24th November 2016

              Also he’d had a few too many. 😏

            • Lest we forget Corky, 1981 and the Springbok Tour … Talk about divisive … Yet under Spanish Bride’s favoured FPP electoral system National won that election, albeit narrowly, virtually at the same time as the Red Squad were cracking their fellow citizen’s heads open outside Eden Park …

              Social Credit achieved 20.65% of the valid votes cast in that election and were rewarded with just two seats in Parliament!

              Without an outright majority no leader or party can afford to be that divisive today in Aotearoa New Zealand, and thank heaven for that.

            • Corky

               /  24th November 2016

              I remember Sue Woods face. Absolute horror.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th November 2016

              “It doesn’t give my opponents much time either. Hic.” – if I remember right.

            • Corky

               /  25th November 2016

              Sue Woods face.. or what was left of it as reality set in.

              http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/08/is-sue-woods-nuts/

            • Gezza

               /  25th November 2016

              None of them look ecstatic, they all probably wished they’d hidden the whiskey bottle that night.

  3. Kitty Catkin

     /  24th November 2016

    Engagement Notices;

    MANA-MAORI. The Mana and Maori parties would like to announce their forthcoming marriage. The date will announced later. Cheques instead of presents, please, addressed to Hone Harawira, PO Box ********, ***************..

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  4. I just hope that conciliation is the motivation rather than conflict. The posturing by Ngapuhi about Waitangi day gives me no hope of reconciliation. The language of protest is too strident and Maori need to accept that we are all equal under the sun, and that they have used up most of the non-Maori goodwill. If there is a lesson to be drawn from the Trump saga,it is that confrontation leads to disaster for all. It is not a case of winners or losers, it is what is best for New Zealand that counts.

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    • @ BJ – I know you are well motivated and love New Zealand, the nation as you perceive it to be: but, to exaggerate for effect, and just for arguments sake: What if you were involved in a battle you fiercely believed to be right and just, perhaps to claw back long-lost prestige, pride, authority, self-determination, land and equality? You believe this. Your life experience backs it up.

      And what if someone … your ‘enemy’ across No Man’s Land over a loud-hailer … a press commentator from your own side … or perhaps one of your own commanders said, “You really need to give up … Surrender … Accept your fate … resign yourself that you’ll always live with unresolved grievances, lost pride and institutional prejudice … Reconcile and assimilate …

      “It is not a case of winners or losers, it is what is best for New Zealand that counts”, and you just happen to be the loser …

      What we’re all contending on here all the time is what each of us thinks is “best for Aotearoa New Zealand” …

      It may surprise you to learn that I love Aotearoa New Zealand too … and I wonder why we’ve forgotten our roots … why we’ve turned away from the egalitarian dream of a new, different, relatively classless nation of relative equals … back towards the Wakefield Brothers “private colonisation” agenda of simply re-creating the worst of Britain’s class-race-system here in these South Pacific Isles … ?

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      • I believe anyone bothered enough to be part of this community LOVES NZ. There’s no doubt about that. The difference is the manner in which we think parity and equity for the greater number of Kiwis can be reached.

        That’s what people ask themselves at the ballot box . Mana/Maori with Nats? Can’t see it. Key will be striking a deal with Peters so fast it’ll be fait accompli

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  25th November 2016

          I’d love to see Hone and Winnie working together. Or at all.

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        • Blazer

           /  25th November 2016

          people who ‘love’ NZ do not want asset sales and do not want the selling of NZ land,houses and agri business to overseas interests.People who ‘love’ profits however have no loyalty to any sovereign state,but require political compliance to further their agenda.

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      • It actually doesn’t surprise me one bit PZ, and I think we have the same motivation. The Colonial style carries no weight to me, and that is why I will never acknowledge being European, because I am not My great grand parents etc were all New Zealand born and bred and so I am a New Zealander. I have family who are Maori and treat them the same as other members of the extended family who are not Maori. We treat each other with love and affection as it should be, and when there is a need to help we are all there when needed and asked. Because I am adamant that thisis our country New Zealand, I resent the attempts of others to make us little Englands, Scotlands, Americas etc by adopting their fashions and styles that are not Kiwi in nature. We must never allow a cast system to develop as a pale imitation of elsewhere. I do however draw the line at people who demand a status as a birthright other than citizenship. I respect my elders, and leaders but not because they are the son of or daughter of whomever.

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  5. A party divided can not stand….. Hone and Te Ururoa. Not a happy combination, not happy at all. Flavell will be feeling stitched up.

    Be interesting to see if the two bulls can bury the mere and make smiley faces for the camera.. Methinks not for long.

    National and NZ First it is then in 2017, if Tuku pulls this off and the numbers are close to what they are now or as I suspect Winnie is going to attract more votes.

    National spurning NZ First and going with an ultra Maori first party in 2017, as it would become under Hone and Tuku, would be the death knell of National in 2020 and probably 2023 as well. A big chunk of their core constituency is already unhappy as it is – buddying up with what a Maori Party would become with Hone back in a seat of power would drive that constituency away in a hurry.

    A very fine calculation needs to be made by Key and Joyce. A very fine calculation indeed.

    We live in exciting times it seems

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    • PDB

       /  25th November 2016

      Dave1924: “would be the death knell of National in 2020”

      I suggest Key and Winny leaving parliament will already be the death knell of both parties in terms of re-election in 2020.

      What I can see is a post-Winston NZL first morphing into a different sort of centralist party that includes disaffected Labour MPs and maybe the odd National one. Plenty of room there once National goes into a rebuilding phase.

      I suspect there would be only one winner in a Mana-Maori party marriage and it isn’t the Maori party.

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