Obama and Trump on Castro’s death

Two contrasting responses to the news of the death of Fidel Castro are getting some attention.

President Barack Obama with a carefully worded official statement:

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President-elect Donald Trump:

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Looking ahead, this is pointed out at New York Times during the election campaign in Business or Politics? What Trump Means for Cuba:

On the campaign trail, President-elect Donald J. Trump threatened to roll back the sweeping détente with Cuba, lambasting the “concessions” made to its Communist government and raising the possibility that one of Mr. Obama’s signature foreign policy initiatives could be stripped away.

…the critical question remains whether Mr. Trump, a real estate mogul and hotel developer, will be a businessman at heart and allow Mr. Obama’s measures to continue — or if he will instead keep a vow he made and scale back everything from diplomatic relations to the unlimited rum and cigars Mr. Obama recently allowed from Cuba.

Such a move by Mr. Trump would underscore the shifting relations between the United States and Cuba, which have long depended on who occupied the Oval Office.

“Several large European investment groups have asked me to take the ‘Trump Magic’ to Cuba,” Mr. Trump once wrote in a 1999 editorial in The Miami Herald supporting the trade embargo against Cuba.

“My investment in Cuba would directly subsidize the oppression of the Cuban people,” he said at the time. “But I’d rather lose those millions than lose my self-respect.”

Mr. Trump has, at other times, been vague on the issue. During the primary contest, he repeatedly said he thought restoring diplomatic relations with Cuba was “fine,” but added that the United States and the Cuban people did not get enough in return.

Asked by a reporter if his comments meant he would break off diplomatic relations with Cuba, Mr. Trump suggested that he might, and said he probably would not appoint an ambassador to Cuba.

“The agreement President Obama signed is a very weak agreement,” he said. “We get nothing. The people of Cuba get nothing, and I would do whatever is necessary to get a good agreement.”

In March, he told CNN that he would “probably” continue having diplomatic relations with Cuba, but he said he would want “much better deals than we’re making.”

Then, Mr. Trump took a harder line in Miami this fall.

“All of the concessions Barack Obama has granted the Castro regime were done through executive order, which means the next president can reverse them, and that I will do unless the Castro regime meets our demands,” Mr. Trump said at a campaign event in September. “Not my demands. Our demands.”

I think that given Trump’s record of changing his stance on many issues and these varying indicators it’s impossible to predict how he will handle the USA-Cuba issue.

It’s also difficult to predict how Cuba will approach their relationship with the US now Fidel Castro is dead.

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44 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  27th November 2016

    Blazer was telling me last night how the people of Cuba loved Castro. Well, not all it would seem. Castro has gone the way communism and eventually socialism must go….

    Time for President Trumpy to make Cuba great again. And in the process make lots of money. Now that’s something everybody understands and likes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/26/the-old-man-is-dead-fidel-castros-death-sparks-celebrations-on-streets-of-miami

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    • PDB

       /  27th November 2016

      If Cubans all really loved Castro then why did 1.5 million of them flee Cuba during the ‘Cuban Exile’….

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      • Corky

         /  27th November 2016

        Good question, From the article.

        “I was 19 years old, I remember the confiscation of properties, the abuses, the freedoms we lost, the democracy we lost, the human beings we lost, people put in jail for political reasons.”

        And dribbly liberals, lefties and other assorted freedom haters are confused about the current global backlash against them.

        Here’s something. This is how ” confused” Labour are: Or are they?

        http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/11/labour-mps-lose-shit-fidel-castro/

        Trump told it like it is.

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        • PDB

           /  27th November 2016

          Grant Robertson is a good example of left-wing hypocrisy in mourning the death of Castro. Wearing a ‘I love Ted Bundy’ T-shirt would be less offensive then the Che Guevara one he most likely wears…..

          “It is a sad reflection of the warped moral mirror of our time that it is Guevara, the squalid killer and totalitarian tyrant, who remains, more than 40 years after his death, the iconic emblem of ignorant idealists the world over. His hirsute features still stare swooningly from thousands of walls and millions of T-shirts”.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/4077397/It-is-a-sad-reflection-of-our-time-that-Che-Guevara-is-seen-as-a-hero.html

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          • Blazer

             /  27th November 2016

            ‘the Che Guevara one he most likely wears…..’…most likely,you are someone with no respect for truth or fact,so not surprising you are a big Nat fan.’Freedom fighter?,terrorist?,very subjective..Mandela was a so called terrorist,and yet was lauded all around the world.Che is not the’ iconic emblem of ignorant idealists’ at all.Che represents challenge to the status quo!Thats what even youth today can appreciate.

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            • PDB

               /  27th November 2016

              Hitler represented ‘challenge to the status quo’ & made an impression on the German youth of the time so therefore you must be a big fan?

              Guevara – the “Butcher of La Cabaña” – was no hero, so too Castro.

            • PDB

               /  27th November 2016

              “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.” – Che Guevara

            • Blazer

               /  27th November 2016

              is George Bush or Tony Blair a ‘hero’…The U.S has Gitmo and law that says any citizen can be arrested and detained indefinately with no charges or trial,as for spying and freedom…well you know the story….today in the West.

            • PDB

               /  27th November 2016

              Andrew Little is your hero.

          • Blazer

             /  27th November 2016

            no surprise that a b/s artist reaches for Godwins Law!Do not make assumptions about who I respect/like.As usual you miss the point.

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            • PDB

               /  27th November 2016

              You never make a point in anything you post?

            • Blazer

               /  27th November 2016

              one point is you manufacture things like…’Wearing a ‘I love Ted Bundy’ T-shirt would be less offensive then the Che Guevara one he most likely wears…..’….you do it because you are desperate and an ignoramus.

            • PDB

               /  27th November 2016

              So says the one who can’t even understand basic housing statistics…..

      • Blazer

         /  27th November 2016

        Because no one said ALL Cubans loved Castro.You may as well ask yourself why kiwis migrate!

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      • Blazer

         /  27th November 2016

        your quite erroneous default reply to EVERYTHING-‘So says the one who can’t even understand basic housing statistics’…you are a flyweight trapped in a featherweights…body!

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  27th November 2016

      I missed Blazer’s saying that.

      But Trump told us nothing except that Castro was dead, which we already knew.

      I could believe that there were Cubans who loved Castro. I couldn’t believe that there were old Russians who missed the good old days when Uncle Joe was in charge. But there were, and I knew some-and these were Orthodox Christians, of all people. IMy old man told me that they saw his reign of one of security as long as one kept one’s nose clean etc etc. But how anyone could look back on those days with any kind of nostalgia is still beyond me.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  27th November 2016

        But the idea that ALL Cubans loved Castro is about as credible as all Russians loving Stalin. It’s like domestic violence victims still loving their violent partner ! Yes, I know that some do.

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      • Corky

         /  27th November 2016

        ‘But Trump told us nothing except that Castro was dead, which we already knew.’

        It’s what Trump didn’t say that was the message.

        I worked with a chap who was an excellent worker. He had worked at the company for 10 years. Soon after he was caught stealing. Because of his exceptional work record the company wrote a reference thus: ‘Joe Smith worked for us from 12.3.1970 to 4.4 1980.’

        That was it. Nothing a new employer couldn’t decipher with one word…dodgy.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  27th November 2016

          That’s what I meant-Trump should have said nothing rather than ‘Fidel Castro is dead !’ The exclamation mark was gratuitous, I think. At least he said ‘dead’ and not ‘has passed away’. But letting his personal feelings show (and the ! made them clear) is lacking in dignity. It’s not the time or place. There’s a limit to ‘de mortuis nihil nisi bonum’, but ‘de mortuis nihil nisi malum’ is not a good look.

          It was disillusioning to read that the Che Guavara whose memory we revered was not the selfless freedom fighter that we imagined. I can’t remember if I had a Che t-shirt, but I think that I had a poster (as everyone in student flats seemed to) I also had an old one of Chairman Mao, lifesized head and shoulders. As the flat bathroom had plain glass, this was used instead of a net curtain-there he was, gazing out at anyone walking past.

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  2. Interesting to see most comments ate The Standard are telling it like it was:
    https://thestandard.org.nz/fidel-castro-has-died/

    Time will tell whether ‘telling it like it is’ works in international relations, and whether insisting Cuba and other countries meet US demands in order to do any deals will work.

    Trump risks building more than one type of wall.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  27th November 2016

      Obama didn’t hypocritically say that he was heartbroken at the news-his tribute was excellent except for the euphemistic ‘passing’ when Castro had DIED. When my husband died. the undertaker wanted to put ‘passed away’ in the death notices, and I had to be very firm about saying ‘died’.

      Trump might as well have put a row of grinning faces after HIS announcement, which told us nothing that we didn’t know. His grandiose statement that he didn’t mind losing millions (yeah, right) didn’t take into account that other people might object to losing their investments.If he felt like that, why did he invest there ? It’s a worry that he may well allow personal spite to affect his foreign policy. ‘Large European investment groups’ indeed. Who were they ? The Emperor’s New Investment Groups (and were his investments The Emperor’s New Millions ?)

      It’s very bad kharma to be glad that someone’s dead*. Nobody would expect profound sorrow and grief to be expressed, and Obama didn’t. But it’s hard to see Trump’s bald statement with an exclamation mark as being anything other than his being glad.

      *I mean, of course, spiteful gladness, it would be too much to expect expressions of sorrow from the Cubans whose lives were affected

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  3. Blazer

     /  27th November 2016

    The Mafia were big investors in Batistas Cuba,and they were very well connected in the U.S …politically.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  27th November 2016

      I think that the Mafia’s influence is overrated.Or so I have heard. Most of the info is put out by themselves….

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  4. Conspiratoor

     /  27th November 2016

    A recipe for failure…

    “The Economy of Cuba is a planned economy dominated by state-run enterprises. Most industries are owned and operated by the government and most of the labor force is employed by the state. Following the fall of the Soviet Union, the Communist Party encouraged the formation of cooperatives and self-employment.

    In the year 2000, public sector employment was 76% and private sector employment, mainly composed of self-employment, was 23% compared to the 1981 ratio of 91% to 8%.[6] Investment is restricted and requires approval by the government. The government sets most prices and rations goods to citizens. In 2009, Cuba ranked 51st out of 182 countries with a Human Development Index of 0.863; much higher than its GDP per capita rank (95th).[7] In 2012, the country’s public debt was 35.3% of GDP. Inflation (CDP) was 5.5%. That year the economy GDP growth was 3%.”

    -wikipaedia

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  27th November 2016

    I watched the “Godfather”….loved the Cuban scenes

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  6. @RyanHolmquist
    Castro: I will not die until America is destroyed
    Trump: I’m gonna be the president
    Castro: well then

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  7. This appears to be real news – CNN didn’t edit their obituary properly before publishing.

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