Open Forum – Tuesday

13 December 2016

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  1. Gezza

     /  13th December 2016

    For anyone who witnessed last night’s debate debacle I have attempted to get things back on track.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  13th December 2016

      Actually G, I’ve been a bit hard on jk. He has left a legacy – the John key bike trail network. Although the brain fart that conjured up 3,000 jobs never materialised this initiative has delivered some enjoyable rides. I plan to do them all before I log off. Cheers,c

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      • Conjuring up imaginery jobs is what its all about Conspiratoor …

        That ‘brain fart’, almost certainly an ‘industry expert’ consultant, earnt shitloads of taxpayers money doing that conjuring trick …

        Its the new ‘troughing’ … neo-troughalism …

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  2. Missy

     /  13th December 2016

    A quick update on a few of the happenings in UK politics.

    Labour:
    In the last couple of weeks the UK has had two by elections, the first was Richmond, won by the Lib Dems, however, for Labour this proved an incredibly embarrassing result. In the UK each candidate standing in an election must pay a 500 GBP deposit, and then they get the deposit back if they get more than 5% of the vote. For the first time ever Labour lost their deposit, only managing 3.7% of the vote in Richmond (1,515 votes).

    In the second by-election last week (Sleaford and North Hykeham), Labour dropped to 4th place. In the 2015 General Election Labour had come 2nd in this electorate, but they were beaten in the by-election by UKIP and Lib Dems. At least they kept their deposit.

    Over the weekend two Corbyn allies (Ken Livingstone and Dianne Abbott), on two separate political shows have essentially given Corbyn a year to turn polls around. This is significant, as these are two of the senior Labour members that have unconditionally backed Corbyn, and for them to now put a timetable on turning the polls around shows that it is possible even his staunches allies realise he may not be the right man to lead the party – regardless of what they say in public.

    And finally on Corbyn, he was giving a Human Rights speech over the weekend when he was interrupted by protestors that were protesting the air strikes in Syria, and calling for aid drops, an end to the conflict, and calling on Labour to do more to condemn Russia’s involvement in the conflict in Syria. Corbyn had a Gordon Brown moment, it seems he forgot the microphone was on, and was heard asking Shadow Foreign Secretary, Emily Thornberry, when they condemned the bombings, he seems to have forgotten that the majority of the Labour MP’s voted in favour of the bombings.

    Conservatives:
    The news over the last few days seems to be taken up with what is being termed ‘Trousergate’. Last week Theresa May did a photo shoot for a newspaper, and chose to wear leather trousers that allegedly cost almost a thousand pounds, what happened next shows the spitefulness and pettiness of politics. A Conservative MP and former Cabinet Minister, who was demoted by TM, did an interview in which she stated that she does not own a pair of leather trousers, or anything that costs as much as they did, except maybe her wedding dress. Next thing that happened was the MP in question was then banned from attending meetings the PM was having with Remain supporting MP’s at No. 10. The media of course have had a field day. Interestingly Sir Nicholas Soames – Grandson of Winston Churchill – who is a Remainer, has supported the PM’s chief of staff in banning the MP in question, saying that the comments, and subsequent discussion around the PM’s trousers has detracted from the Brexit conversation. So, a couple of points about this MP, one she (yes she) has only been in Parliament for 6 years, she was one of the new, young, upcoming female MP’s Cameron promoted to show he wasn’t sexist. Second, reportedly she is considered mediocre at best by her peers, and she has a reputation for being devious, and trying to ‘play the political game’ but fails at almost every turn. Third, she has shown herself as a hypocrite, because as this story has evolved, one media outlet has taken glee in reporting that she owns and carries a handbag worth almost one thousand pounds. The level of political conversation in Britain has reached a new low I think. Lastly, this MP a few years ago was interviewed where she said it showed the sexism in politics as media discussed and analysed what female MPs were wearing but not male MPs – yet in the latest discussion of the clothes of a female MP – and PM – it is she who has discussed it and brought it into the media arena.

    Interestingly, if a male MP had said something similar he would have been branded a sexist pig at best, a misogynist at worst, yet a female MP says it, and it seems to be treated like serious political debate!

    Other than ‘trouser gate’ it all is business as usual, Boris putting his foot in it – he said something honest about the Saudi’s, but they didn’t like it, now he has to grovel, and yet another group of millionaires and sooks trying to stop Brexit.

    Lib Dems:
    I just have to say, after crowing about the Richmond Park by-election being the beginning of the fightback of the Remainers, and the beginning of the revolution, Tim Farron (leader of the Lib Dems) has been very quiet after the Sleaford and North Hykeham by-election, maybe it isn’t the start of the revolution after all.

    And on Lib Dems and by-elections, as someone pointed out on twitter, Zac Goldsmith was the only candidate in Richmond Park that ran his campaign on opposing a third runway, so maybe the Lid Dem win is not so much about a vote against Brexit, (it is – they were 70% remain in the referendum after all), but rather a vote for the third runway. I wonder how their new MP will deal with that when it comes up, apparently she had no opinion, or stand, on the third runway, her whole campaign was on getting a second referendum on the EU, and opposing Brexit, and that (according to her) is her only mandate.

    Christmas in less than two weeks, here’s hoping they take a break and come back and try to act like adults.

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  3. Missy

     /  13th December 2016

    Debateable KB.

    The St George flag – despite being the national flag of England – is banned in many places as being a political symbol, and for those that question this, I have seen first hand someone who was asked to remove his St George flag by security at the National Gallery because it was politically offensive to some people. Sad to see that English people cannot fly their flag proudly without being labelled racist and politically offensive.

    Also, just last week, a guy who opened a shop in North London selling British made and British themed products was labelled racist, and openly abused in public. Over my Christmas break I am going to make a point to go to his shop and buy something!

    It is fast becoming a society that doesn’t like, respect, or want people who are proud of their heritage, and one day it will no longer be England.

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    • Corky

       /  13th December 2016

      ‘White is not right.’ in our present environment, Missy. Proof postive of the on going push by liberals to destroy the underpinnings of western culture. Families, ethics, western religion, law and order, education, all have been gutted.

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      • Missy

         /  13th December 2016

        The point is Corky, it is nothing to do with White, it is about being British. There are a number of second and third generation members of immigrant families who are feeling the same way – and being treated similarly. Many children and grandchildren of immigrants are proud to be English or British, but they too are being targeted as racist if they try to express a pride in being English or British.

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        • Corky

           /  13th December 2016

          Yeah, its got everything to do with being white. British, New Zealander or American. The historical narrative may change, but the underlying principle is the same- the Anglo Saxon race and their poxxy derivatives are a curse on mankind.

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          • Glad you’ve cleared that one up Corky …

            Maori, as you may know, have a concept called ‘utu’ or reciprocity. Perhaps all they do is give a name to phenomena which naturally occur and invariably function in human relationships?

            The same phenomena or ‘imperative urge’ which forms the basis of our system of so-called ‘justice’?

            It’s like – to exaggerate for effect – you come to my place and fuck me over, destroying the underpinnings of my culture and consigning me to squalor, then invite me to come ‘home’ with you and live in some squalid corner of your place … and expect me not to call you a duplicitious, bigoted hyprocrit …?

            PS – You left Australians, Canadians, Spanish, Italians, Belgians, French and a couple of dozen other colonial nations out of your “poor me” scenario.

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  4. Blazer

     /  13th December 2016

    check under your bed for a muslim extremist this morning ..Missy.Whew! another escape,another day!

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  5. Missy

     /  13th December 2016

    i apologise if someone said this yesterday, but condolences to Paul Henry and family on the passing of his mother Olive. Whatever your thoughts on Henry, his mother was a character and fun to watch and to lose a parent / grand parent is a difficult thing.

    RIP Olive, she was a joy to watch, and the interaction with Paul Henry was so wonderful, and loving, you could see the genuine affection between them, and how close they were.

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  6. Zedd

     /  13th December 2016

    Q-time today.. it begins.. Andrew/Met/James v Bill/Paula 😀

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    • Gezza

       /  13th December 2016

      No list of questions available yet. 10.42 am.

      Have you forgotten anyone?

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    • Corky

       /  13th December 2016

      Time to take out the garbage… my Paula will bitch-whip earth mother Metiria so bad she wont be able to tell the difference between ordinary and organic tomatoes for a week.

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    • Gezza

       /  13th December 2016

      All of these look politically motivated to me 😡

      Questions to Ministers

      ANDREW LITTLE to the Prime Minister: Does he agree with Children’s Commissioner Judge Andrew Becroft that the level of child poverty means “this is not the New Zealand I grew up in nor is it the New Zealand most of us want”; if so, what responsibility does he take as Prime Minister for his Government’s record?

      JAMI-LEE ROSS to the Minister of Finance: What reports has he received on the strength of the New Zealand economy?

      METIRIA TUREI to the Minister for Māori Development: He aha tāna whakamāherehere, mēnā rā i a ia tētahi, tā tāna Manatū ranei, i hoatu e pā ana ki ngā whakahīrautanga o te Children, Young Persons, and Their Families (Oranga Tamariki) Legislation Bill, ki runga tamariki Māori, me ō rātou whānau, hapū, iwi?Translation: What advice, if any, did he or his Ministry provide on the implications of the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families (Oranga Tamariki) Legislation Bill for tamariki Māori and their whānau, hapu, and iwi?

      ANDREW LITTLE to the Prime Minister: Has he met with the families of the Pike River miners today; if not, why not?

      Dr SHANE RETI to the Minister of Health: Can he confirm that, as a result of the Government’s increased funding of $124 million over four years, Pharmac has recently announced a funding package for three new treatments, including for metastatic breast cancer?

      FLETCHER TABUTEAU to the Minister for Economic Development: Does he stand by all his statements?

      GRANT ROBERTSON to the Minister of Finance: Does he agree with Reserve Bank Governor Graeme Wheeler that “GDP growth on a per capita basis has been slow and labour productivity growth has been disappointing. House price inflation is much higher than desirable and poses concerns for financial stability, and the exchange rate is higher than the economic fundamentals would suggest is appropriate”?

      TODD MULLER to the Minister for Primary Industries: What reports has he received on the status of New Zealand’s orange roughy fisheries?

      MARAMA FOX to the Prime Minister: How does he intend to attain the goal of halving poverty in New Zealand by 2030 that the Government signed up to in September 2015?

      JOANNE HAYES to the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What announcements has he made recently that make it easier for New Zealanders to understand their KiwiSaver statements?

      CHRIS HIPKINS to the Minister of Education: Is she concerned that only 16 percent of teachers believe that national standards have had a positive impact on their students’ achievement according to a survey released today; if not, why not?

      DENIS O’ROURKE to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by his reported statement on New Zealand Superannuation, Key’s promise not to tinker with the pension age was “a product of its time”…a necessary pledge to rebuild trust with voters who no longer believed a word National said on superannuation?

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  7. new Nobel Peace prize laureate, says “Time to rethink War on Drugs”
    *Cocaine production in Sth. America at all time high.
    **how can you prosecute cannabis/MJ growers, when 8 states in USA (who lead the WAR) have now legalised recreational use

    Its a total failure
    I agree !! 🙂

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  8. Kitty Catkin

     /  13th December 2016

    3 news; 280,000 children in NZ don’t have 9 things needed to survive, like food and clothes. I wonder where all these naked, starving people are.

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  9. lucher1948

     /  13th December 2016

    is everyone been moderated…or just me just asking

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  10. lucher1948

     /  13th December 2016

    This is for Pete George, a GREAT host a tune for you… just saying

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  11. lucher1948

     /  13th December 2016

    But my last post of the night ,a live version better than a canned version

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  12. Blazer

     /  13th December 2016

    Keys valedictory tune….

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  13. frog16

     /  14th December 2016

    [Sorry but I don’t want to publicise specific ways of avoiding advertising at Whale Oil – I don’t want to get too involved in trying to aid the reduction of income of blogs that are trying to fund themselves. PG]

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