Open Forum – Thursday

15 December 2016

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  1. Zedd

     /  15th December 2016

    Its not just Govt. MPs running for the door.. i see 2 long-serving Greens (Ms Delahunty & Mr Browning) have announced they are not standing again in 2017 :/

    BUT its always good to ‘renew’ the list..

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  15th December 2016

      It’s a very demanding job with appallingly long hours. It takes a toll on family life. Nobody’s obliged to do it forever. and describing resignation as ‘running for the door’ is insulting.

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  2. Klik Bate

     /  15th December 2016

    Hmmm – sounds interesting 😎 ……Wonder who ‘BILLY BIG STEPS’ is ❓

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  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  15th December 2016

    I see someone has finally realised if you want something done, bureaucrats should be passengers, not drivers:
    https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/private-insurers-take-lead-kaikoura-quake-claims-b-197832

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  4. Klik Bate

     /  15th December 2016

    Rodney Hide was just asked on RadioLive, “…why he thought Bill English had changed his views on Gay Marriage” ?

    His response: “Because there’s been no uptick in buggery” LOL ❗

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    • duperez

       /  15th December 2016

      What is mainly pointed out in Elley’s article, though he doesn’t say it as such, is everything is about testing and doing things for testing not learning. Kids should be doing things so they learn meaningful things in meaningful ways.
      At the moment they are only out to get an “achieved” and their teachers and schools are only out for the same thing, not so they can say the kids learned something useful, but they became another little statistic that looked good so they could crow and the Minister could crow.

      The braindead drive of the present Minister and the previous one are getting us to an inevitable destination. That is unlikely to change with the next one.

      It used to be that we were puzzled about USA and British school results and there was a bit of scorn about their systems. So we did the logical thing and started to copy them and venerate anything about education emanating from there. The tide of overseas experts coming here and being in awe of our schools turned and bureaucrats from here went the other way.

      However, to be positive, if we keep running schooling into the ground (according to international stats) we can bundle it all up and sell it to the highest bidder and make a few bob.

      https://networkonnet.wordpress.com/2016/05/06/ive-had-enough-secondary-ncea-broken-wide-open-part-4/

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th December 2016

        I don’t agree that is the main theme of Elley’s article. The main point is that when kids compete against each other they do their best. When they just have to satisfy a bureaucratic system they find every which way to game it as do their teachers.

        That’s the real guts of it.

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  5. Gezza

     /  15th December 2016

    Good take on the programme & legacy of John Key by Bryan Gould. I’m sure Alan will agree with it.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11765941

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  15th December 2016

      I agree with this bit: Key’s departure and the arrival of Bill English in his place should make things simpler for the slow-witted. i.e: the Left.

      Key had them sliced and diced before they knew which way was up.

      But he is quite wrong about Key’s ideology. Key simply had the real world experience to know what works and what doesn’t. He didn’t care at all about ideology which is why he was so happy to take over the centre left ground and leave Labour stuck in the loony Left corner.

      But that was a very rare thing – comment from Gould worth reading. Thanks G.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th December 2016

        Incidentally Trump is giving every sign of having the same skills though different electoral tactics. The Democrats could be in for a long hard winter in the political wilderness. Trump’s appointments seem to mean business in a big way and taking no prisoners in dealing to the media.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  15th December 2016

          Or in keeping the promises that made his voters vote for him.

          I am appalled that the US system disenfranchises millions of voters !

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  15th December 2016

            How does it disenfranchise them? It seems that potentially millions of illegal immigrants are not disenfranchised.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  16th December 2016

              It disenfranchised them because more people wanted Hillary Clinton than wanted Trump and voted for her, but he got in. This can’t be right and fair.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  16th December 2016

              It’s basically an electorate system without MMP. Each state chooses its representatives and it doesn’t matter whether by 51% or 99%. That ensures each state gets its say and that the big states don’t dominate. That is what happened. California and New York voted overwhelmingly for Clinton but only got their fair share of delegates while Trump won far more states but by much smaller margins and numbers.

            • PDB

               /  16th December 2016

              Kitty: “This can’t be right and fair” – on the contrary it is fair as that is the rules as set out at the beginning of the campaign. If the rules had been ‘most votes overall’ then the campaigning would have been concentrated only on high population areas and we would have had a totally different election whereby Clinton may well have had less votes than Trump overall.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  16th December 2016

              It’s disappointing when one’s candidate loses, but to have them lose when millions more voted for them than voted for the winner makes the democratic process a farce.

              Could illegal immigrants vote ? I’d have thought that this would risk drawing attention to their being illegally there when they tried to enrol to vote.

  6. This is a very interesting piece here. Doubt the left will “take a good, long introspective look at themselves, but this panel comes to that conclusion

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  7. Yeh well, be a member of a minority of one Blazer!

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    • Blazer

       /  15th December 2016

      I do note I have 2 upticks Col!

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th December 2016

        He did say “thinks”, B. I doubt your uptickers can manage that trick.

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        • Blazer

           /  15th December 2016

          he said no such think…actually…can you read.

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          • Gezza

             /  15th December 2016

            He’s got you there Al. Blazer wins again.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th December 2016

              Ellipsis, G. BJ’s claims everyone thinks the Dems are Left except B.

            • Gezza

               /  15th December 2016

              “He did say “thinks”, B.” is what you said, in reference to Bj.
              But he didn’t. Your learned friend Blazer was the one who said thinks.
              Now I win again too. 😎

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th December 2016

              He thought it, G. And the uptickers didn’t.

            • Gezza

               /  15th December 2016

              Too late Al. Unrecoverable error.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th December 2016

              … and I’m saving that rope for you till I find a tree.

            • Gezza

               /  15th December 2016

              Jesus. 😳 As sore losers go they don’t come much sorer than that! 😡

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th December 2016

              I can never remember my losses, G, after I’ve hung them up somewhere.

  8. patupaiarehe

     /  15th December 2016

    Goodnight all…

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