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4 January 2017

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59 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  January 4, 2017

    The republicans stepped back from wallowing in the pig trough,and the swamp,Trump stopped them but soon soon…

    • Conspiratoor

       /  January 4, 2017

      And one for you my dear friend. It seems the orange freak has won over the printing industry. Enjoy…

      http://proprint.com.au/News/390611,us-printers-backing-donald-trump.aspx

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 4, 2017

      Let’s hear it for Trump, Lurch!

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  January 4, 2017

        Yeah, nah… Trump hasn’t resiled from gutting the congressional ethics watchdog, the move initiated by the Republicans without warning and behind closed doors – he’s simply criticised the timing, not the reform itself.

        Nevertheless, the Republicans have shown their true colours and their clear contempt for ethical conduct.

  2. Conspiratoor

     /  January 4, 2017

    He hasn’t even been sworn in yet and he’s waving the job creation wand.

    “Ford Motor Company announced Tuesday it will cancel a $1.6 billion plant planned for Mexico and will instead invest $700 million in a Michigan assembly plant, directly tying the decision to “pro-growth policies” championed by President-elect Donald Trump.”

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 4, 2017

    How did NZ get landed with this obnoxious homicidal psychotic when good people with minor health issues get thrown out?
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/88112298/air-nz-plane-hijacker-asha-abdille-threatens-repeat-action

    • Gezza

       /  January 4, 2017

      My guess is that having been granted refugee status she cannot be returned to her country of origin. Sounds like a paranoid schizophrenic, but I haven’t seen an exact diagnosis reported. So many refugees who have witnessed or suffered atrocities display symptoms of trauma her underlying psychosis may not have been evident at selection, or may not have actually been triggered at the time.

      What’s more disturbing is that she has been treated as a criminal in the past when it must have been obvious she is seriously mentally deranged and still is, yet doesn’t seem to able to be permanently detained while still dangerous.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 4, 2017

        I think she is permanently detained under the Mental Health Act according to the story, G.

        • Gezza

           /  January 4, 2017

          “It is understood Abdille, who is currently regarded as a special patient, will transfer into the mental health system on a compulsory treatment order (CTO) when her sentence ends next month.”

          “In December, the four-member panel set release conditions for Abdille, but they can only apply for six months after her sentence end date of February 7. Corrections would only say it “will manage this offender according to her conditions”.

          Abdille’s case will not go before the Parole Board again. Her lawyer, Judith Fyfe, had no immediate comment on the December ruling or the path ahead for the convicted hijacker.”

          Not sure, because of those statements. Compulsory Treatment Order doesn’t equal Permanently Detained, Alan?

          A friend of mine had a hellish upbringing under the care of a now-dead paranoid schizophrenic mother who would go off her medication all the time, & who she still hates. And two former neighbours had their son shot dead by Stephen Anderson at the Raurimu Massacre, another paranoid schizophrenic who did the same.

    • Klik Bate

       /  January 4, 2017

      The answer to your question Alan – Helen Clark and Deborah Manning.

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 4, 2017

    German police adopt tough love approach to North African immigrant trouble-makers:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-03/german-police-use-profiling-to-prevent-new-attacks

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 4, 2017

    Assagne continues to refute claims the Russians supplied the Democrat emails either directly or indirectly:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/02/assange_to_hannity_our_source_was_not_the_russian_government.html

    • How can he be sure of this?

      How can we trust what he claims?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 4, 2017

        Seems to me the odds are on his side rather than Obama’s.

        • Neither side will be willing to prove it even if they could.

          It’s not just Obama on Obama’s side, many official and private security claims back his (but with no evidence supplied).

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 4, 2017

            I suspect most of those bureaucrats supplied their unanimous opinion with Obama’s gun in their backs.

            • duperez

               /  January 4, 2017

              Assagne is right, Obama is right, the bureaucrats are right. The U.S. Intelligence Community is not a sum of complicated parts with separate parameters, modus operandi and agendas, but simply “bureaucrats.”

              Reminds me a bit of “Alright I am the Messiah”:

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  January 4, 2017

        Seems to me the odds are on the side of the 17 US intelligence agencies that concurred on Russian involvement, rather than Assange who has a long-standing hatred of Clintonism and an increasing alignment with Russia.

        Also, Assange has consistently denied that his direct source was the “Russian Government” – he’s never ruled out Russian operatives in entirety. By using intermediates, the Russian Government (and Assange) could easily construct a position of plausible deniability.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  January 4, 2017

          They could even more easily construct a position of plausible deniability to the US intelligence agencies.

    • The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

      https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/215-press-releases-2016/1423-joint-dhs-odni-election-security-statement

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 4, 2017

        Considering that it is likely the only thing necessary to hack Podestra’s Gmail account was his password which was apparently easily obtained via standard criminal phishing I call b.s. on these claims.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 4, 2017

        The Democratic National Committee is building a “war room” to battle President-elect Donald Trump, pressure the new Republican administration on a variety of policy matters and train a spotlight on Russia’s alleged cyberattacks to influence the 2016 election. – Washington Post

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11776630

        The hacking allegation is a domestic political operation.

  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 4, 2017

    French immigrants torch a thousand cars to celebrate New Years Eve as customary:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/02/almost-1000-cars-torched-around-france-new-years-eve-government/

    • Gezza

       /  January 4, 2017

      Tch tch. Not necessarily immigrants these days. Frankly Al, I expect better of you than that. 😕

      “The custom of setting vehicles alight on New Year’s Eve is said to have kicked off around Strasbourg, eastern France in the 1990s, in the the city’s deprived, high-immigrant districts.

      It quickly caught on among disaffected youths in cities across the country, and is seen by some as a litmus test of general social unrest.

      The most notorious spate of car burnings in recent years was seen in the 2005 riots when hundreds of vehicles were torched.

      Former French president Nicholas Sarkozy briefly abandoned issuing a breakdown of New Year’s Eve car burnings in 2010-11 amid fears this was sparking copycat actions, but it has since been reinstated.”

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 4, 2017

        Look like immigrants to me, G: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/01/03/JS116947069_gendarmes_NEWS-large_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg

        In Nice, where security has been extremely tight since the deadly Bastille Day truck attack of last year, two police officers were hurt when revellers threw “projectiles” at them.

        Bruno Le Roux, the interior minister, said that no attack on security would not be tolerated.

        “I regret that once again there were too many instances of security forces being hit with objects, or faced with attacks or insults,” he said.

        • Gezza

           /  January 4, 2017

          Might just be asking them if they’ve got the time?

        • Gezza

           /  January 4, 2017

          “Bruno Le Roux, the interior minister, said that no attack on security would not be tolerated.”

          So, if no one else attacks them, they’ll attack themselves? 😳

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 4, 2017

            The cheese eating surrender monkeys are infinitely resourceful, G.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  January 4, 2017

              Team, good to see our government has developed a cast-iron deterrent against would-be jihadists wanting to bring their specialist skills down under. The very first line of our desperate plea for more migrants reads – “New Zealanders believe life is for living”

              https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/why-choose-nz

  7. Klik Bate

     /  January 4, 2017

    Trumpy has invited Benjamin to his Inauguration on Jan 20…..

    The Dipton PO are most likely still holding Bill’s invite until he pops into town.

    • Gezza

       /  January 4, 2017

      Bibi might yet be busy at the time breaking rocks for illegally accepting “gifts”. Are the local constabulary still questioning him?

    • Conspiratoor

       /  January 4, 2017

      Bibi’s thinking “don’t overdo it Donald, people will think you’re faking it”

      • Blazer

         /  January 4, 2017

        who did the interior decorating…’Bubbles’ Bennett?

        • Conspiratoor

           /  January 4, 2017

          It’s hideous ain’t it. Say what you like about the man’s brilliance, when it comes to decor he’s no Billy Baldwin

  8. Blazer

     /  January 4, 2017

    I would like to read a good book.Non fiction for a change,any recommendations?(don’t bother PDB)Current or classic.

    • Conspiratoor

       /  January 4, 2017

      Here’s a few. I’ve thrown in a rogue, just because it is such a damn fine read

      The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladmir Putin
      White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and Islam’s One Million White Slaves
      Breaking Into Freelancing: Easy Steps to Transition from Bored Cubicle Drone to Full-Time Freelancer
      The Unlikely Pilgrimage of Harold Fry
      Leighton Smith. Beyond the microphone
      Londonistan
      Blood River: A Journey to Africa’s Broken Heart
      The truth about cruise ships
      Factual Persuasion – Political Islam

      • Blazer

         /  January 4, 2017

        thanks,Blood River sounds interesting,and Cruise Ships.

        • Conspiratoor

           /  January 4, 2017

          I had been onboard my first ship for five days when I went to the crew bar and met a woman from Trinidad and Tobago. She was a black woman and she was overweight, maybe even a little flabby, but such a sweetheart. She asked a lot of personal questions and listened closely and was genuinely interested in my responses. I asked her personal questions, and she answered every one of them. I saw her the next night in the crew bar and she looked upset so I went over and sat down.
          “What’s wrong?” I asked.
          “I just had an argument with the chief purser,” she said with her Caribbean accent.
          “That’s too bad.”
          “Yes, I do not get along with the pursers on this ship very well,” she said, starting to tear up a little. “I do not have many friends onboard.”
          Although I liked her, I could understand why others might shy away. She had slow, almost voodoo-like mannerisms that bordered on creepy. But she was so easy to talk to and, like me, perfectly content to sit and talk one on one.
          “So do you have a girlfriend?” she asked, changing the subject.
          “No.”
          “Have you been with anyone on the ship yet?”
          “Nope. It’s actually been twelve years since I slept with someone.”
          “Come on now.”
          “It’s true.” I said, and then told her why (more on that later).
          “Hmm. That’s fascinating. You know, I used to sleep with a skinny white guy from England on my last ship. You remind me of him.”
          “Oh, yeah?”
          “He and I had lots of fun, and I never left him unsatisfied. I may not look it, but I’m actually a really good lover.”
          “You don’t say.”
          “I’ve been with lots of men in my day. I’m forty-one, after all. And in my years, I’ve learned exactly what men like and how to please them. And now”—she took a sip of her drink—“and now all the men I sleep with are extremely satisfied.”
          I had always imagined athletic girls—especially flexible athletic girls—to be the best lovers. But this lady from Trinidad had me rethinking that assumption. Maybe it was just another one of the after effects of abstinence, but those voodoo mannerisms were now bordering on sensual.
          “Would you like to have sex with me?” she asked, taking another sip of her drink. “We could go to my cabin right now.”

          • Gezza

             /  January 4, 2017

            I’m assuming that’s from ‘Breaking In To Freelancing”.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  January 4, 2017

              G, some of your rejoinders are very good. Blazer has taught you well. Cheers,c

          • patupaiarehe

             /  January 4, 2017

            I had always imagined athletic girls—especially flexible athletic girls—to be the best lovers.

    • Ka Whawhai Tonu Matou : Struggle Without End

      Ranganui Walker, Penguin, Revised Ed. 2004

      “Grow tender shoot(s) for the days of your world!
      Turn your hands to the tools of the Pakeha for the well-being of your body.
      Turn your heart to the treasures of your ancestors as a crown for your head.
      Give your soul unto God the author of all things.”

      – Apirana Ngata … in a child’s autograph book … philosophy for transformation towards biculturalism.

      “It is possible to be bicultural, just as bilingualism is a feature of Maori life today” – ibid

    • Klik Bate

       /  January 4, 2017

      Here you go Blaze….quite an enthralling read and can highly recommend ❗

      http://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Red-Notice/Bill-Browder/9781476755748

      • Blazer

         /  January 4, 2017

        That is me all day long!thanks kb..have read a couple of Lewis books.

  9. lucher1948

     /  January 4, 2017

    I love trump-ENJOY

  10. Just watched the end of Serena Williiams in a shock loss to Madison Brengle in Auckland. Wiliams was very good at times and very ordinary too often. She lost match point with a double fault.

    4-6 7-6 4-6

    The wind was a factor in the match for both players.

    Both Brengle and her coach were very happy with the result, nice to see their reactions.

    • Blazer

       /  January 4, 2017

      The Williams sisters here to pik up appearance money and a holI day b4 the Oz open.

      • Klik Bate

         /  January 4, 2017

        Yep, when you’re worth a few hundred million, and you’re here with your Billionaire boyfriend, there’s only so much shitty hotel service you can cop! Even all the ‘$2 Shops’ in Queen street lose their appeal in the first hour or so.

        The bright lights of their old mate James Packer’s ‘Crown Casino’ beckons, rubbing shoulders with real A-list celebs, International shopping precincts to die for…..see you next time you ‘pass thru’ girls. Can hardly wait XD

  11. Gezza

     /  January 4, 2017

    When are the usual newsreading crew returning to duty on 1Ewes?

    Christ, I hope it’s bloody soon. I’m fed up with Melissa Stokes shreiking & giggling at us viewers for the best part of a bloody hour every week night.

    • She’s not one of my favourite news and trivia presenters, but the weather one is ok.

      • Gezza

         /  January 4, 2017

        Renee was dressed to perfection, moving deliciously, & looking absolutely gorgeous as usual and as a consequence yet again I have absolutely no idea what the weather forecast is for tomorrow. 😕