McCully on UN vote on Israel

Foreign Minister Murray McCully has surfaced and has spoken about the Security Council vote on Israeli settlements.

NZ Herald: Murray McCully on backlash to UN Security Council resolution: ‘We are not anti-Israel’

Foreign Minister Murray McCully says it is “regrettable” his electorate office was vandalised by people opposed to New Zealand’s sponsorship of a UN Security Council resolution on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

And while he understood some people felt strongly about it, there was nothing new in New Zealand’s position.

“Obviously we have had a significant number of communications from people who are concerned about the issue,” he told the Herald today.

“But it is very difficult to get past the fact that it is long-standing New Zealand policy to support the two-state solution, to condemn incitement and violence, and to call for a halt to the settlements process.

“These are not new New Zealand policies.”

“We have a longstanding friendship with Israel and our foreign policy positions have been very balanced and fair on these matters.”

“It is simply incorrect to assert that we are anti-Israel in any shape or form.

“The fact is that there was a particular resolution before the council that our longstanding policy positions support, and so we supported it.”

“We hope that a normal friendly relationship with Israel will resume soon.”

There is nothing much new in that but McCully may have felt it necessary to address some of the criticisms aimed at him and the Government.

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  1. Someone should inform Mc Cully of the significance of the battle of Beersheba where ANZAC Troops under a New Zealander’s command beat the same Ottoman troops who had defended Gallipoli and opened up the road to Jerusalem during the “Last Crusade” (WW1 Oct/Nov 1917), and the victory of which was the catalyst for the “Balfour Declaration”.
    New Zealand has a lot of baggage as far as Israel is concerned.

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    • There are other ways of looking at this Beejay – for instance –

      In Her attempt to defeat Her major industrial rival Germany, Mother England sent our Dominion boys to take Cannakale and open up a backdoor trade route for Uncle Tsar Nicholas’s despotic Russia. We got slaughered by the tens of thousands in Her futile and failed attempt to do so …

      Of course by the time Beersheba and the Balfour Declaration happened, Nicholas II was history and the Ottoman Empire weakened by years of self-defence plus internal strife. Winning “the road to Jerusalem” was symbolic at best … Consequently these ‘successes’ begin to look like a mixture of Racism, Vengeance and Spite, do they not?

      “Arab leaders considered the Declaration a violation of previous agreements made in the McMahon-Hussein correspondence. The issuance of the Declaration had many long lasting consequences, and was a key moment in the lead-up to the Arab–Israeli conflict, often referred to as the world’s “most intractable conflict” – Wiki

      But what do Arab leaders matter eh? For that matter, what do Arab peoples matter? Subsequent Allied ‘division’ of the Middle East was to prove exactly that …

      We cling to ANZAC like we cling to Hobson’s Pledge … They’re Fairy Tales …

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      • Actually they’re worse than fairy tales … far worse … What nation pins its national identity on fairy tales? They’re falsehoods, plain and simple.

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      • What a horrible education you have had. PZ, filled with interpretations that carry huge ideological interpretations. Yet you call them fairy tales. Well buddy, reflect upon the names in every village and town, city in NZ of those who died on behalf of the protection of those same people so they could have freedom. WE messed up didnt we? I am not a racist and do not have any feeling about any racial groups leaders, do you?

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        • Really Beejay … Do you think the “Heroic colonials defence of Mother England” is NOT a huge ideological interpretation? Give me a break …

          As for “one people” … This is a pakeha myth … We could easily hang our national identity much more realistically on being two peoples living together in a partnership …

          I assure you I was indoctro-educated just like all the rest and ascribed to the jaundiced ‘orthodox’ Euro-centric viewpoints for many years … until I read a little deeper … discussed a little more widely … and listened for the sedge-grass rustling …

          I regularly reflect upon the names of the fallen Beejay and I do not reproach them for going, for serving, for killing and dying. I honour and pity them. However I revile those who created and profited from the “Resource & Market” wars, the politicians who despatched our boys to their deaths in return for immoral, guilt-compelled, dishonourable butter, wool, lamb and beef access to the UK market, purchased in our own peoples’ blood and misery … and most of all the British high command … The Hamilton’s and Haig’s especially … Honour them I never will … NEVER!

          I also somewhat despise those who built and sanctified monuments to the dead – although I concede they have their place – when apparently [many of] the returned servicemen wanted schools, universities, scholarships, reading rooms and debating forums – symposiums for the LIVING – where people could exercise their ‘freedom’ in attempts to prevent this atrocity, this crime against humanity, ever happening again …

          Don’t talk to me as though you’ve got a monopoly on national pride … I’m proud of what we ARE … warts and all … not what we PRETEND TO BE …The riotous working-class Waihi miners of 1913 strike fame who became expert tunnellers on the Western Front stand equal to Colonel Malone in my book …

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          • … and they, the true-hearted working-class Kiwi soldier, are better than any who ever mounted horse, raised baton or levelled revolver against their fellow New Zealanders as “specials” …

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    • Gezza

       /  5th January 2017

      Jesus Bloody Christ, Bj. How freakin old ARE you?
      It’s 20flamin17.
      The world has changed.
      A lot of sand has blown over the camels & olive trees since 1917, & the Zionist Israelis aren’t the poor little good guys any more.
      The new arseholes of the area need a slap.

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      • Gezza, yep, years have passed, yet there are still some universal truths that guide civilised behaviour. For example, you require us non Maori to continue to honour te teriti, but expect us not to comment on the changing interpretation of “mana”, toanga, etc etc? When we have no evidence other than oral history. Forgive me, until we all are permitted to examine the remaining archeological history of NZ without constraint, there will always be cynicism.

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        • Gezza

           /  5th January 2017

          I’m leaving that one for me sis Possers to beat you about the ears about if she chooses. Though I think she’s probably best to just give up on you there Bj.

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  2. Pfffffffffffffffffftttttttttttt!

    The pathetic backlash to a UN resolution becomes the storm in a teacup while the real tempest goes on gathering more and more force, unaddressed …

    I wonder what would happen if it was recognised that Israel’s position on this [and all the Western interference that goes with it] was a major threat to Middle East and perhaps even World security? Ya know, just ‘hypothetically’ …?

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  5th January 2017

      Silly stuff parti, even by your lofty standards. So if we rid the ME of the pesky Jewish problem, the arab world finds peace at last. Yeah nah

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      • Massive transumption on your part C. I didn’t say anything like that …

        If “fairness” had prevailed, or anything remotely like it, Israel would still be a wealthy ‘advanced economy’, only occupy a much reduced portion of the land it currently holds – so much of it being ceased by offensive war and held now by ‘terror’ – Palestine would be a viable Arab state, and there’d probably be an uneasy peace with some lingering disagreement over Jerusalem …

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  5th January 2017

          So you believe there is a solution whereby an Israeli state and a Palestinian state can peacefully coexist as neighbours?

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  3. Klik Bate

     /  5th January 2017

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  5th January 2017

    MURRY just saying Mossard knows where you sleep and what music you want at your funeral we wont play it says ISRAEL

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    • Gezza

       /  5th January 2017

      Get back to the winery & ask for a second chance.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  5th January 2017

        Do you have a problem with Jews GEZZA Jews are like the national party They are not all Zionist but the bright ones are Gezza

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        • Gezza

           /  5th January 2017

          Nope I don’t have a problem with Jews, or with Christians. As long as they leave me alone & don’t threaten me for not believing some of the shite they do & have it dictate that my citizenship rights must therefore be less than theirs.

          I have more of a problem with Islam in that respect but that’s a separate issue. There’s no way the Allah-shite believers are ever going to dominate the Yaweh-shite believers in the Middle East, because the Jesus-shite believers & the atheists won’t let them, and they certainly won’t getting any voluntary converts will they?

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    • Missy

       /  5th January 2017

      Lurch, what or who is Mossard? And why would he/she/they/it care about McCully?

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  5. Those who do not learn from the lessons of history are bound to repeat the errors of their predecessors. Those who are not prepared to defend freedom for others will lose their own freedoms. Talk is cheap, action requires courage and commitment. Are you prepared to defend your freedom?

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    • Depends what my ‘freedom’ is based on Beejay …

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      • Depends what my history is based on too …

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      • So, what is your definition of freedom Partizan Z? I doubt it differs from mine.

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        • I think it might Beejay … “Freedom” is an easy word to say but a much more difficult concept to define … and its also a presentiment, feeling and experience that words may not adequately encompass …

          “Certainly freedom DOES mean the right to do as one pleases—to think, believe, speak, worship (or not worship), move about, gather, and generally act as you choose—but only until your choices start to infringe on another person’s freedom.”

          “President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in his State of the Union Address delivered on January 6, 1941:

          “We look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

          The first is freedom of speech and expression—everywhere in the world.

          The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way—everywhere in the world.

          The third is freedom from want—which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants—everywhere in the world.

          The fourth is freedom from fear—which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor—anywhere in the world.

          That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation.”

          In the same speech, Roosevelt said:

          “There is nothing mysterious about the foundations of a healthy and strong democracy. The basic things expected by our people of their political and economic systems are simple. They are:

          Equality of opportunity for youth and for others.
          Jobs for those who can work.
          Security for those who need it.
          The ending of special privilege for the few.
          The preservation of civil liberties for all.
          The enjoyment of the fruits of scientific progress in a wider and constantly rising standard of living.

          These are the simple, basic things that must never be lost sight of in the turmoil and unbelievable complexity of our modern world. The inner and abiding strength of our economic and political systems is dependent upon the degree to which they fulfill these expectations.”

          This message is now nearly six decades old, but still rings as true today as when first spoken.”

          http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/treder20090917

          By no means necessarily definitive but nonetheless well expressed …

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    • Gezza

       /  5th January 2017

      Absolutely. I am prepared to defend the freedom of the Palestinians and the Israelis to have a proper viable, secure & peaceful state each, and to be free of oppression & persecution.

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      • Yes Gezza, so am I. Problem remains Palestinian determination to kill all Jews. Now that I can never agree to, and I don;t believe you do either. So why no accord?

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        • Gezza

           /  5th January 2017

          Zionist determination to take ALL the land designated for the independent state of Palestine, and to harrass, arrest, deport, attack, oppress & provoke Palestinians, especially youths into fighting back and tolerating extremists because they also resist the racist Israeli armed extremist terrorist security forces, defence force, politicians and settlers.

          The Palestinaians will reject their terrorsts & they can be got rid of when the Zionists reject theirs & give them back the UN designated state of Palestine they are stealing and let Palestinian refugees return to the new State of Palestine. The Palestinians have agreed to this several times. The Zionists promise to negotiate, but then don’t & carry on stealing their land, provoking further resistance and terrorism on both sides. And you want to let them, it seems?

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          • Ellipses In Absentia

             /  5th January 2017

            “The Palestinaians will reject their terrorsts & they can be got rid of”. How do you know this G? How and who will “get rid of them”?

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            • Gezza

               /  5th January 2017

              Their own people, when they see they are the impediment to their achieving independent, secure, state of Palestine.

            • Ellipses In Absentia

               /  5th January 2017

              G, you are looking for logic where there is none. Can you point to a historical precedent where palestinians demonstrated a collective will for a peaceful solution?

            • Gezza

               /  5th January 2017

              I believe they’ve come close to it twice at Camp David & The Oslo accords, when the Israeli PM indicated they might be prepared to discuss the key issues, but the Zionists held sway in the end & refused to sign up to the return of the Palestinian exiles, & went on provoking oppressing and dispossessing them from their land and property, so the then small number of Islamist jihadis carried on with the rhetoric & firing back & gave Yasser the finger.

              By the time the IDF had finished massacring them & destroying their houses and bashing the stone-throwers around for a bit they then had lots more angry ‘jihadis’, and the rest is the shitty history we have up until now.

              Can you point me to a historical precedent where Israelis demonstrated a recent collective will for a peaceful solution & where they didn’t assassinate a PM who apparently wanted one, and they did something concrete towards giving them back the land of the Palestinian state they have stolen & promising to allow the displaced Palestinian refugees & descendants (who have no other citizenship) to return to that state?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  5th January 2017

              Surveys of Israelis point to declining support for settlements. The main concern amongst the populace for keeping them is security. It’s kind of hard to argue against this when you are living in constant fear of rocket attack and have 15 seconds to get to the nearest bunker

              http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.599003

            • Gezza

               /  5th January 2017

              Fark me days. Palestinians often don’t have farken 15 seconds warning before a farken F16 fires a freaking missile at a hamas leader on a motor scooter in a street.

            • Gezza

               /  5th January 2017

              “Surveys of Israelis point to declining support for settlements. The main concern amongst the populace for keeping them is security.”

              The main concern for Palestinians for not keeping them is they’ll then stop getting attacked by armed Zionist settlers & soldiers chasing them off their occupied land & burning & destroying their olive crops & livelihoods. And nothing is said about the other swathes of land they’re excluded from that should by now be theirs.

              Crimes of violence against Palestinians by settlers & security forces happen all the time but the perpetrators are rarely prosecuted & in the few cases they are (because they come to International attention – good old cellcams) the penalties are laughable to non-existent.

              I know there are many, many Israelis who want peace & a better deal for Palestinans, c. But they’re not in a position to influence this government.

              But I’ll read your link now.

            • But when the Israelis attack Palestine ostensibly in retaliation for a home-made rocket attack, using sophisticated, overwhelming aerial and artillery force, they time their bombardments for 11.25am as school ‘changeover’ takes place and children flood the streets … its kind of hard to argue if you haven’t got a “nearest bunker” or any protection much at all to speak of …

            • Gezza

               /  5th January 2017

              Drat. They’re demanding 3.85 shekels for a shufti.

          • Gezza. Sorry mate, I do not believe in any Zionist conspiracy. Your statement above flies in the face of the actual record of the discussions under UN supervision. To put it in the simplest terms, Palestinians still demand the destruction and death of all Jews, and any Americans who support them. The last pubic statement was that their Palestinian Manifesto had not been altered following their agreement to Clinton’s proposal because they say the rest of their demands have not been met. So the fight goes on. I still believe in the right of Jews to have a homeland in their historical home. Like Maori should have a right to always have a home in New Zealand and Hawaiiki (when they identify the latter).

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            • Gezza

               /  5th January 2017

              “The last pubic statement was that their Palestinian Manifesto had not been altered following their agreement to Clinton’s proposal because they say the rest of their demands have not been met.”

              What is the “Palestinian Manifesto”, and what are their demands?

              “So the fight goes on. I still believe in the right of Jews to have a homeland in their historical home.”

              It was their historical home for 3-400 years only. It belonged to somebody else before them, and to someone else again for 1400 years after they had dispersed to places elsewhere.

              Are you a Christian Bj? I only ask because they tend to buy into that bullshit because of the Old Testament bollocks about Jaweh telling them it was their promised land and they must take it by force. But they couldn’t keep it, because Jaweh was only useful bollocks, and still is.

              But anyway, now they’re there, they’ll be impossible to get rid of, the West won’t allow Israel’s destruction. It’s the dominant and only nuclear power in the ME. The Arabs know it. The Palestinians know it. And the Israelis know it.

              I don’t think there’s a Zionist conspiracy in the woowoo sense of the fruitcakes, but there’s little doubt that Netanyahu & Likud & Labour want to keep grabbing Palestinian designated land and that they provoke the very terrorism they decry.

            • @ Beejay – “I still believe in the right of Jews to have a homeland in their historical home. Like Maori should have a right to always have a home in New Zealand …”

              Seriously Colonel … are you serious!?

              This comparison is truly as odious as any comparison can be …

              In what ways is the Maori experience similar to the Jewish?

              If they are similar and Maori may exercise an unchallenged “Right of Return”, shouldn’t hapu iwi therefore take possession of the vast majority of “their” land again … and enjoy the pick of the very best territory and real estate, foreshore and seabed, with its resources like mineral wealth, fisheries, fresh and sea water … just as the Zionist Jews have …?

              Just imagine how Pakeha would react to that ….?

              Walk a mile in a Palestinians bare feet Beejay …

            • Should read “In what ways is the Maori experience similar to that of the post-war Zionist Jew?”

              Maori prophets have frequently drawn comparisons with the Jews of antiquity …

        • Blazer

           /  5th January 2017

          Not all Palestinians col…The extremists…The Zionists milk it for every drop.

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