Trump, Streep, the press and the people

After Meryl Streep criticised Donald Trump (without naming him) in her Golden Globe speech there has been a big response in media and online, including from Trump on Twitter.

Streep’s speech refers to debunked claims made by Trump during the presidential campaign:

I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.

He followed that up on on This Week with George Stephanopoulos:

There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down — as those buildings came down. And that tells you something. It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don’t like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good.

Trump tried to substantiate his claim by citing an article by Washington Post reporter Serge Kovaleski which said:

In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’ plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.

Kovaleski pointed out that there were never any reports (substantiated or unsubstantiated) of “thousands” or even “hundreds” of people celebrating the 9/11 attacks in New York or New Jersey.

Trump responded in a campaign meeting by mocking Kovaleski, who is physically disabled.

This created controversy, and Trump responded to that with more blatant bull:

I have no idea who this reporter, Serge Kovalski [sic], is, what he looks like or his level of intelligence.

Despite having one of the all-time great memories, I certainly do not remember him.

I merely mimicked what I thought would be a flustered reporter trying to get out of a statement he made long ago.

If Mr. Kovaleski is handicapped, I would not know because I do not know what he looks like. If I did know, I would definitely not say anything about his appearance.

Trump obviously mimicked Kovaleski and admits “I merely mimicked”, so contradicts himself.

Kovalski says he talked to and interviewed Trump numerous times in the past.

Donald and I were on a first-name basis for years. I’ve interviewed him in his office. I’ve talked to him at press conferences. All in all, I would say around a dozen times, I’ve interacted with him as a reporter while I was at The Daily News.

So “one of the all-time great memories” cannot be trusted.

Streep in her speech at the Golden Globes this week:

There was one performance this year that stunned me. It sank its hooks in my heart. Not because it was good. There was nothing good about it. But it was effective and it did its job. It made its intended audience laugh and show their teeth.

It was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter, someone he outranked in privilege, power, and the capacity to fight back. It kind of broke my heart when I saw it. I still can’t get it out of my head because it wasn’t in a movie. It was real life.

And this instinct to humiliate, when it’s modelled by someone in the public platform, by someone powerful, it filters down into everybody’s life, because it kind of gives permission for other people to do the same thing. Disrespect invites disrespect. Violence incites violence. When the powerful use their position to bully others, we all lose.

Trump has responded to this in typical fashion via Twitter:

Meryl Streep, one of the most over-rated actresses in Hollywood, doesn’t know me but attacked last night at the Golden Globes. She is a Hillary flunky who lost big.

For the 100th time, I never “mocked” a disabled reporter (would never do that) but simply showed him “groveling” when he totally changed a 16 year old story that he had written in order to make me look bad. Just more very dishonest media!

Also typical is Trump’s tactic of blaming others for what he does, being very dishonest.

Trump has even flip flopped on his opinion of Streep. In an interview with The Hollywood reporter in 2015, asked if there were any actresses in particular he loved, he said:

“Julia Roberts is terrific, and many others. Meryl Streep is excellent; she’s a fine person, too.”

The difference now is that Streep criticised trump, something he seems intolerant of, and as Streep said he uses his power to attack those who criticise him. This doesn’t bode well for the presidency.

In a New York Times editorial: Streep vs. Trump for America

Trump’s psyche is no great riddle. He’s a study in neediness. Adulation is what he craves; admonishment he cannot abide. Trafficking in untruths and conspiracies, he calls the press that he secretly venerates dishonest for pointing this out. That’s called transference.

Soon he will have at his disposal far more potent weapons than Twitter to assuage his irascibility and channel his cruelty. It is doubtful that he will resist them over time. There is rational cause for serious alarm. If the world was anchored by America, it is about to be unmoored.

Yes, there is rational cause for alarm at how Trump behaves. But Trump is still strongly supported and lauded.

Meghan McCain, a conservative commentator and daughter of Senator John McCain, tweeted that, “This Meryl Streep speech is why Trump won. And if people in Hollywood don’t start recognizing why and how — you will get him re-elected.”

Trump is not an unclothed emperor – he openly flaunts his clothes and his fans adore his facade. They don’t want truth or honesty, they want to hear what he says.

And Trump delivers what they want to hear. How much is deliberate dis-ingenuity and dishonesty, and how much is ego driven ignorance, it is difficult to know.

What is easy to know is that Trump can’t be trusted. Despite his ongoing dishonesty and abuse of power that seems to be exactly what many people like about him.

It’s hard to see how this will end well.

This brings me to the press. We need the principled press to hold power to account, to call them on the carpet for every outrage.That’s why our founders enshrined the press and its freedoms in our constitution.

The state of the press may be as big a problem as Trump, who would not be president-elect without the extensive free publicity and promotion given to him by the press.

Both politics and the media are badly broken in the US, and it will be very difficult for them to extricate themselves from the mess. Blaming Russia ignores their own serious shortcomings.

And ‘the people’ are the ones who have enabled all of this. They voted for Trump (or at least enough of them to get him elected).

They seek news that suits their views.

They avoid paying for news.

They are willingly baited and click to reinforce the dumbing down of the news.

And they don’t care about dishonest and bullshit as long as it reinforces their prejudices.

129 Comments

    • Abosultely brilliant and concise Emmerson.

      The irony is that virtually everybody who stands for the office of POTUS is a narcissist. The difference, in my opinion, is that Trump is more open about both his ambition and self-adoration. He’s unguarded and very “wysiwyg”. As I’m feeling optimistic this morning, I’m coming down on the side that says a team of sweepers can clean up behind him as necessary, and he will get things done. However, mostly I see Europe/NATO a mess, USA completely upending geopolitical landscapes and disaster internally.

  1. Klik Bate

     /  January 11, 2017

    My niece in the US tweets out a message for those who STILL can’t accept that the election is over……

    • Gezza

       /  January 11, 2017

    • A diversion from the reality of the blatant ongoing dishonesty of Trump and the impotence of the press.

      It seems to be a blind acceptance of winning being all that is important, regardless of the unprecedented degree of dishonesty involved, and the abuses of power attacking anyone who is critical.

      I didn’t like GW Bush and abhorred the dishonesty over Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, the illegal detentions, torture and the further stuffing up of the Middle East.

      I didn’t like Obama and his impotence.

      That’s after each of their terms. The difference with Trump is that he is signalling major risks before he has even taken over the White House. Excusing what he has done so far is giving him a license to potentially do a huge amount of damage, to the US at least and possibly to the world.

      ‘La la la la la’ helps aid and abet him.

      • David

         /  January 11, 2017

        “A diversion from the reality of the blatant ongoing dishonesty of Trump and the impotence of the press.”

        The press & Hollywood created Trump.

        For 8 years any questioning of Obama’s actions got slammed as racism while the press and celebrities fawned over him, regardless of his abuse of power. Now Trump gets elected and the press is suddenly interested in the limitations on executive power? Give me a break.

    • artcroft

       /  January 11, 2017

      The evidence that you’ll “live through Trump” is not clear yet.

      • Gezza

         /  January 11, 2017

        Good point Arty. I would suggest however that some people over there are possibly already living through him vicariously?

        • Klik Bate

           /  January 11, 2017

          My niece in the US retweets..

          “Emboldened by Barakian hope and change from a black Muslim in the White House this is what America looks like”

  2. Gezza

     /  January 11, 2017

    That’s good post PG. I agree with you entirely.

    • Brown

       /  January 11, 2017

      You think its a good post because you agree with it.

      • Gezza

         /  January 11, 2017

        Well yes, that is certainly true, but it is also well laid out & logically presented, & supported by suitably pertinent quotations, a video clip, and working links that I think are exactly in the right places. I noticed no errors of typography – although I was not required to proof-read it, so did not specifically examine it closely for any.

        I hope you & your good lady are content & well this morning?

        • PDB

           /  January 11, 2017

          Again, I’m no supporter of Trump but for me Trump clearly has a history of doing the said action when talking about people he feels are panicking or wrong;

          Evidence is clear here: https://www.catholics4trump.com/even-more-video-evidence-trump-did-not-mock-reporters-disability/

          PG’s post does not mention this possibility, and instead runs the MSM attack unchecked – therefore a ‘good post’?

          PG: “Trump obviously mimicked Kovaleski and admits “I merely mimicked”, so contradicts himself”

          That doesn’t make sense, Trump said he didn’t mimick Kovaleski but “mimicked what I thought would be a flustered reporter trying to get out of a statement he made long ago”. Much like in prior incidents where he ‘mimicked’ the same action talking about other non-disabled’ people.

          To suggest a guy Trump had to have remembered a reporter he has met on a few occasions over all the reporters he would have dealt with in a lifetime is laughable.

          Again, I’ve got no time for Trump but I have less time for a corrupt MSM.

          • Why do you totally accept Trump’s side of the story and totally discredit any alternative?

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              Get stuck in Pete I’ve gotta go out for bit.

            • PDB

               /  January 11, 2017

              I’ve posted my clear video evidence PG – where is your rebuttal of it?

            • PDB

               /  January 11, 2017

              I also note Trump never did defend himself with past video footage of the same action – that was done by his supporters.

          • PDB

             /  January 11, 2017

            Also note in the link that the reporter being ‘mocked’ speaks normally and is not a spastic so how could doing a spastic motion be mocking his disability? The MSM taking a still shot of Trump with one hand bent whilst in motion is again a misrepresentation.

          • Blazer

             /  January 11, 2017

            your evidence’ is so full of holes I’d have to spend all day posting on here to go through all of them.BOL.

      • Gezza

         /  January 11, 2017

        @ Brown, please note that it’s not quite as good as I first thought, &, for reasons explained elsewhere, I am now only agreement with bits of it.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 11, 2017

          Anyone who thinks that that wasn’t a childish, crude mockery of a person with cerebral palsy is deluding themselves. What else could it have been, when he was flailing his arms around in a mock-uncontrollable way and mocking that reporter ? It’s like people who pull their eyelids up to mock Orientals or make that big tit gesture to mock women.

          • PDB

             /  January 11, 2017

            Please……….the facts are there for all to see unless you think prior to the reporter incident he did exactly the same actions in public to mock able-bodied people as having cerebral palsy? Trump even did the same actions when referring to himself during a past interview. Don’t let you prejudice overcome common sense.

            • Blazer

               /  January 11, 2017

              read your last sentence again….s l o w l y.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              No that’s not quite correct. The actions when he indicated how he reacted to people suggesting he needs a holiday from working all he time were signinficantly different from the full-on spaz act he uses when mocking someone else. You can’t always believe everything the catholics say.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 11, 2017

              It would have been nice had he not done it when he was talking about a man with cerebral palsy. Even the insensitive Drumpf must have realised what that would look like.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 11, 2017

              He has denied he remembered the reporter or knew he is disabled.

            • PDB

               /  January 11, 2017

              Does the guy with cerebral palsy wave his arms around like a spastic? No he doesn’t.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  January 12, 2017

              Alan, your hero is a compulsive liar…his denials are meaningless.

  3. David

     /  January 11, 2017

    Trump was elected by the voters who had been subjected to a 6 month campaign from the media who tried everything and anything to smear him. They want him to run their country properly and dont really care that he may be a flawed person. Streep being the despicable woman who gave a standing ovation to a peadophile, selective morality which is typical from an industry that makes vast profits from movies depicting sexism, rascism, mysogeny, violence etc.

    • Shooting the messenger, ignoring the warning signs.

      “They want him to run their country properly and dont really care that he may be a flawed person.”

      Can he run the country properly with his lack of honesty and integrity?

      How long will people ignore his flaws and make excuses for his behaviour?

      There is no evidence he is capable of running the country properly.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 11, 2017

        Actually there is. So far his history of appointing people is pretty good.

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2017

          The history of the people he has appointed in terms of their performance in these roles has scarcely begun Alan. Which persons are you referring to here?

        • Some of his appointments appear to have been very contentious, and are as yet untested in being approved let alone in action.

          • Gezza

             /  January 11, 2017

            Al? Have you gone into hiding?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 11, 2017

              Out dog walking and grocery shopping. Have to drive down to Whangarei soon to pick up my car. Also got to clean up cabins as guests leaving today. Doesn’t leave much time to defend the righteous against evil slurs.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              Thank you, I would appreciate you doing that. A couple of posters made some at me yesterday, I thought. Although one of them was at least tactful & diplomatic.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 11, 2017

            Of course they’re contentious. Don’t be utterly ridiculous. If you are going to make a positive difference the incumbents are going to complain.

            • If it looks like you may make a negative difference there will also be complaints.

              Discrediting any criticism won’t make the risks go away, it is more likely to increase the risks.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 11, 2017

              Off point. As far as I can see the quality of Trump’s appointments far exceeds Obama’s.

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  January 12, 2017

          @Alan

          so far his history of appointing people is good

          I can see why you’d say that.

          For the first time in America’s history, the president-elect has appointed not civil servants with the county’s best interests at heart, but a group of billionaires that have far-right leanings and some very off-centre ideas.

          Having become dissatisfied with merely influencing the U.S. elections and the resulting government, with their massive wealth, they have now taken control of the wheel, with the intent of reshaping America to reflect their worldview.

          The Cheezel is turning America into an oligarchy before our very eyes, with the willing help of a group of Republicans that have their own special interests at the fore. They’re selling the country out to the highest bidder for a few pieces of legislation to further their causes.

          That’s all totally consistent with your own far-right leanings and very off-centre ideas.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  January 11, 2017

        So you are saying we should ignore the fact she is a “flawed person” and accept the substance of her speech?
        Is that not what Trump supporters are also doing?

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2017

          No. Evidence suggests they are not happy with the substance of her speech.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  January 11, 2017

            Should have been clearer – What Trump supporters are doing regarding Trump. I don’t think anyone would argue the major points of what she said (other than Trumpy being “misrepresented by the dishonest media” of course). But the implication she gave was that this is a new issue, and she had a complete lack of awareness that many of the issues being implicitly attributed to Trump are ones that have been around for many years, and many of them are specifically due to the media having a cosy relationship with the Democrats and slanting stories accordingly.

            As was mentioned above somewhere Trump benefited from this as the media smugly wrote off Trump and persisted with woeful cheerleading and completely disconnected with much of the electorate.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              A pox upon both their houses. But I do agree that the continued agitation against him by various worthies for sins on the campaign trail is pointless & should stop. Now people should just probably move on from the past & deal only with new outrages as & when they tweeted.

      • “There is no evidence he is capable of running the country properly”
        Classic attack line Pete.

        He hasn’t taken office yet so the is no way evidence of “running the country properly” can be presented.

        Wait a year and pass judgment then. You seem sucked into the vortex of media beat up stories..

        • Blazer

           /  January 11, 2017

          Dave I say Dave…will you apply the same logic to…Andrew Little?

        • It’s not an attack, it’s a statement of fact. He is unproven as President. And some of the signs are concerning.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 11, 2017

            Trump exaggerates as does every politician. Every exaggeration can be termed a lie by opponents. He attacks when attacked more aggressively than most politicians. So far his actions as opposed to words seem well judged rather than otherwise. His opponents including PG are not happy about that, Business and market investors are. They have to put their money where there mouths are unlike his political opponents.

            • “Every exaggeration can be termed a lie by opponents. ”

              Lies can also be termed lies. Obviously incorrect claims can be termed as false.

              There are quite a few of both.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              Big money has no morality Alan. We have discussed this before.

              Also, Mr Trump’s lies are the most blatant. This is something that could be very embarrasing for his country & needs to be knocked on the head PDQ. Just saying.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 11, 2017

              We are discussing judgement, not morality, G.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              We are discussing blatant lying, not judgement Al.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 11, 2017

              What blatant lie, G?

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              “I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.”

              But I am talking about the litany of them, not just this one. If you don’t like this lie, I have others.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 11, 2017

              It was plainly an exaggeration of Kovaleski’s report and others. But simply we don’t know the number involved and no-one does. CBS reported “swarms” were involved:
              http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/02/trump-100-vindicated-cbs-reports-swarms-on-roofs-celebrating-911/

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              He lied. Your defence is hopeless. I win again.

          • No its an attack – its a classic un-provable used as an attack. Some of the signs around lots of political leaders are “concerning”. But when they are voted in you can’t pass judgment until they have had a chance to run the cutter. he may surprise, as may Angry Andy when/if he gets a chance.

            Clark concerned me – but her track record was good in some regards and rubbish in others.

            The whole US media has just been conducting a pile on – bullying dressed up as commentary. And they still dont understand why they failed to see him coming – they looked at the phenomenon analysed it and then disregarded their analysis to right back to the same old tired attack line of attacking his ott personality…

            • Something in the future cannot be proven, and I haven’t tried to, so how can it be an attack?

              You actually seem to be using a Trump tactic, try to discredit something as an attack – by attacking the messenger. You have attacked me more than I have attacked Trump. Perhaps it’s inadvertent, if so that shows the risks of unquestioning defence of what has at times been reprehensible.

              I guess we could all give Trump unquestioning approval to do whatever he likes and act however he likes. We could stop saying what we think in case someone thinks it is unfair criticism.

              We could all blindly stand aside and just wait and see what happens. But why should we?

            • hahahaha. oh dear Pete you reaction reveals much. Trump is as trump does. He is a boorish, socially horrible individual, he has a tendency to say what he thinks and say thinks without thinking.

              But does that justify the continual piling on saying he is unfit to lead? No its just an attempt to coerce him into a box the liberal media think is acceptable. It may cause a few issues in foreign affairs – but you know what Obama and his wishy washy talk with nothing to back it has made the world much more unsafe. Remember Barack promoted the Arab Spring [disaster], he talked of lines that should be crossed and consequences [no consequences just people gassed and bombed with no blowback on the preps]. Trump may actual follow though…

              Attack his policies Pete – go ahead. Attack his nominations as inexperienced, but they mostly are highly experienced. Repeat all the snipes the US media pump out. But just repeating “concerns” is classic attack politics because none of it its fact based, which you constantly call for, none of it is anything anyone has to own later when shown not to be correct – more “concerns” will be raised and repeated by the same talking heads. Never ending cycle

              He is surrounded by experienced people and the Congress will constrain him.

              nice to have a robust disagreement…

            • “But does that justify the continual piling on saying he is unfit to lead?”

              I don’t know if he is unfit to lead. Neither does anyone else.

              And we don’t know which policies he will try to implement, and how he will try to implement them. There have been many mixed messages about his intent, and some significant flip flops.

              I don’t share your confidence that a Republican led Congress will restrain him – we will have to wait and see on that.

            • MaureenW

               /  January 11, 2017

              @Dave1924
              You are bang on

          • Gezza

             /  January 11, 2017
    • artcroft

       /  January 11, 2017

      Running the country is about more than economic settings and deal making. Its about reflecting values and behaviours that show what is acceptable and right. As Streep said Trump makes it acceptable to mock the disabled, assault women and verbally abuse your opponents. Trumps behaviour wouldn’t make it across the line in NZ and shouldn’t make it across the line in the US. I can’t understand the people who think this behaviour in a leader is ok.

      • Nobody in their right mind thinks it’s okay Arty. As a pragmatist I’m saying that apart from a fatal accident or an assassination the man is the next POTUS on the 20th. It’s fait fricken accompli, it’s a done, doney, done deal, its inevitable. It’s a case of lump it, not like it for most of the rest if the world bar Russia, and the US popular vote.

      • Blazer

         /  January 11, 2017

        well we thought Key fondling young girls hair,lying like a flatfish on a daily basis,and doing policy u-turns was…acceptable.BOL!

        • Pardon me, this is a thread about President Elect Trump from the USA is it not?

          • Blazer

             /  January 11, 2017

            it is…a response to artcrofts post about acceptable behaviour in NZ above.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              Blazer may be being unfairly disparaged here. c, how many lies was that lovingly p-maintained TS list of JK’s whoopers up to when you last weren’t over there looking @ it? It was over 100 wasn’t it?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  January 11, 2017

              an unforced error by Trav G. Deux. Play on

  4. artcroft

     /  January 11, 2017

    And further. If you have to go around and tell people how awesome you are, you’re not. You’re actually just trying to kid yourself, and those who believe you are very, very stupid.

  5. artcroft

     /  January 11, 2017

    And further: Just as Slater claimed he was the new dawn of media but is now finds himself in the outer darkness, so Trump will fail to see out this presidency. The actual demands of the work won’t suit him, the demands of his bosses in senate and congress (ie the republicans) who are not going to follow Trump in war against the CIA, FBI, military, and all the others he pointlessly goads (how soon will Ryan tire of waking up to some fresh tweet slamming another section of the govt he is trying to run). All this will see him follow John Key before 2020 in deciding to spend “more time with family”.

  6. duperez

     /  January 11, 2017

    “Yes, there is rational cause for alarm at how Trump behaves. But Trump is still strongly supported and lauded.”

    Maybe for the first bit, of course for the second. But he came to the position legitimately. Apparently the same could have been be said of Hitler.

    • PDB

       /  January 11, 2017

      Hitler had complete power to do what he liked – the President of the USA? Not so much.

  7. Pete George, not sure Trump was mocking Serge Kovaleski’s disability ? Or “mimicking” him, as such ? Which was presumably one source of Meryl Streep’s “bullying” comments ?

    Not a Trump fan by any means; but the media coverage of this particular incident has given me some pause, and dare I say it, disquiet, in light of this clip, and others.

    • Regardless of Trump’s actual intent, which we will probably never be sure of given his record of making very dubious claims about himself, it didn’t look good from a prospective president.

      A lot of media coverage of trump has been very poor – but that doesn’t excuse poor behaviour from Trump.

      Many seem to have bought in to the ‘media crap, Trump beyond criticism’ line. This is dangerous, as it encourages Trump even more to not care about honesty or accuracy. This makes for a very poor start to his presidency.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 11, 2017

        B.s. PG. How about an apology for your (and Streep’s) false accusation.

        • You can’t tell if it’s false any more than I can Alan. Unless you accept Trump’s word and reject anything to the contrary.

          I’m surprised and a bit shocked you’ve been sucked into this.

          • PDB

             /  January 11, 2017

            The videos of Trump doing exactly the same action when describing able-bodied people prior to the reporter incident can not be denied?

            I think your dislike for Trump is clouding your judgement on this particular issue.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 11, 2017

            It’s customary to be sure an accusation is true before making it and condemning the subject.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              Did the Chinese create Global Warming to make US manufacturing non-competitve, or not ?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 11, 2017

              Didn’t create it but certainly exploited it.

      • PDB

         /  January 11, 2017

        Past video evidence proves Trump wasn’t mimicking a guy with Cerebral palsy at all – for Streep to make such a big deal about it in her speech was wrong hence the justified criticism.

        Trump is not beyond criticism but neither is Meryl Streep.

        • Blazer

           /  January 11, 2017

          no one is …actually.Put anyone under the microscope and you can pull them to pieces.

          • PDB

             /  January 11, 2017

            Didn’t see any criticism of Meryl Streep in PG’s post.

            • Yes, there was, quoted from Trump (who praised her a year or two ago).

              Streep is only a bit player in this story, she is not going to become president of the US next week.

            • PDB

               /  January 11, 2017

              Not personal criticism from yourself however, though plenty on Trump.

            • Concern about what happen under Trump is a much bigger concern for me than what an actress said.

            • PDB

               /  January 11, 2017

              Hence why you based a whole post on her speech then…….

          • MaureenW

             /  January 11, 2017

            @PG
            “Concern about what will happen under Trump etc ..”
            The chicken-little style of concern about Trump is surprising. What are your worst fears? Why do you think he is likely to be any worse than recent incumbents – Obama and Bush?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 11, 2017

      Some honest reporting there. Nice change, Sean.

      • Gezza

         /  January 11, 2017

        Absolutely clear from the vid clips from PDB that Trump was not mocking the reporter’s disability. He does the spastic waving of the arms to suggest that that is how many people people he is criticising react to situations he is describing.

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2017

          Sorry – & clip from Sean too.

        • PDB

           /  January 11, 2017

          Indeed – People can criticise Trump about all sorts of things but the ‘spastic waving’ attack is a MSM fabrication further perpetuated by Streep, which is ironic considering her whole point was “We need the principled press to hold power to account, to call them on the carpet for every outrage. That’s why our founders enshrined the press and its freedoms in our constitution.”

          • Gezza

             /  January 11, 2017

            Well, he probably does the spastic waving because when he criticises people it makes an instant mental association for the hayseeds & intellectually limited voters who vote for him & that he ‘works’ like a pro that the target of his criticism is a spaz.

            • PDB

               /  January 11, 2017

              I can’t wait for his spastic demonstration of Streep.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              Me too. But he doesn’t do it for them all I don’t think, PDB. She might possibly get the Hulking Stalking Monster in The Background act. Still, we can hope. 👍

            • PDB

               /  January 11, 2017

              I don’t think he does spastic when a woman is the one being discussed? Guy has to have his standards you know……..

            • PDB

               /  January 11, 2017

              At least Michelle Obama would still be fair game……..

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              Good point – he has “great respect for women” and some of their bits. 👍

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2017

              I have to move on from this thread PDB. Alan I think has posted in other threads & it is quite possible he may be wrong in some of them. I need to check.

            • PDB

               /  January 11, 2017

              No where near as challenging as finding Blazer to be right in any of his posts.

  8. Thanks Alan.

    Who’s saying Trump is beyond criticism ? Is anyone seriously trying to argue that he’s had nothing but positive media coverage ? Seriously ? It’s at least arguable that he wasn’t mocking Serge Kovaleski for his disability. Given that there are plenty of other faux-pas of his to choose from, why pick on that particular one to highlight in her speech? Meryl Streep prompted the story, so could hardly be called a “bit player”. She’s a senior Hollywood celeb, which gives her a platform from which to promote her politics. OK, not the President but …

  9. PDB

     /  January 11, 2017

    “Meghan McCain, a conservative commentator and daughter of Senator John McCain, tweeted that, “This Meryl Streep speech is why Trump won. And if people in Hollywood don’t start recognizing why and how — you will get him re-elected.”

    Bang on.

    “Actress Meryl Streep endorsed Clinton at the Democratic National Convention on July 26, 2016. In her speech, she asked the crowd, “What does it take to be the first female anything?”

    “It takes grit, and it takes grace,” she said, and she listed a number of women who have been the first in their fields.

    “These women share something in common: capacity of mind, fullness of heart and a burning passion for their cause,” she said. “They have forged new paths so that others can follow them, men and women, generation on generation. That’s Hillary.”

    http://www.amny.com/news/elections/hillary-clinton-celebrities-and-politicians-endorsing-her-democratic-bid-for-president-1.11741315

  10. Zedd

     /  January 11, 2017

    Drump maybe hiring his ‘son-in-law’ to take over running his twitter account.. as he will soon have to actually ‘turn his hand’, to running the country, rather than responding to every criticism of himself !
    …OR perhaps grow a thicker skin, rather than just add more paint to it !! 😀

  11. Zedd

     /  January 11, 2017

    ‘Donald J Drumpf (Trump)’… “Believe it or NOT !” 😀 ??

  12. Zedd

     /  January 11, 2017

    I have heard, that some think Drump will follow Bush Snr. as another ‘one term Pres.’ BUT I wonder if he’ll actually last more than about a year.. once he realises that its actually a serious political job.. NOT just a reality TV show or a ‘beauty contest’ 😦

  13. Gezza

     /  January 11, 2017

    I think the clips in the link you posted made it clear that Trump was not mocking the reporter’s cerebral palsy but I also noted that the documents was from Catholics For Trump, and therefore wonder if it could be trusted because in the US catholics have brought crime, they’ve brought drugs, they’re rapists – and some, I assume, are good people.

  14. MaureenW

     /  January 11, 2017

    So, apparently, Russia has produced information claiming Trump used prostitutes while staying in Moscow in 2013, to deliver upon him, golden showers. The same bed, apparently, where Mr and Mrs Obama had slept previously …
    This is breaking news and is a bombshell, (apparently)

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trump-shown-claims-of-russian-efforts-to-compromise-him-cnn-20170110-gtp8qy.html

    • PDB

       /  January 11, 2017

      CNN leading the charge……..

      • MaureenW

         /  January 11, 2017

        I’m kinda hoping this post will be given the Meryl Streep post treatment 😂

        • Klik Bate

           /  January 11, 2017

          According to a reliable industry source, a few of the housemaids at Russia’s Ritz Carlton were calling him ‘Donald Dump’ :/

    • Is this the smoking gun of assassination?

      ” Senator John McCain passed documents to the FBI director, James Comey, last month alleging secret contacts between the Trump campaign and Moscow and that Russian intelligence had personally compromising material on the president-elect himself.

      The material, which has been seen by the Guardian, is a series of reports on Trump’s relationship with Moscow. They were drawn up by a former western counter-intelligence official, now working as a private consultant.

      The Guardian has not been able to confirm the veracity of the documents’ contents, and the Trump team has consistently denied any hidden contacts with the Russian government.

      Trump’s transition team did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but late on Tuesday, Trump tweeted: “FAKE NEWS – A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!” He made no direct reference to the allegations.

      James Comey refuses to tell Senate if FBI is investigating Trump-Russia links. An official in the US administration who spoke to the Guardian described the source who wrote the intelligence report as consistently reliable, meticulous and well-informed, with a reputation for having extensive Russian contacts.”

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts

    • Blazer

       /  January 11, 2017

      you knew his hair colour is not natural…..now the secrets….out!

    • Klik Bate

       /  January 11, 2017

  15. artcroft

     /  January 11, 2017

    So that’s why the Trumpster loves Vlad. Vlad got the naughty photos of Awesome Donald.