CNN response to Trump ‘fake news’ accusations

In his first media conference as president-elect Donald Trump slammed CNN for publishing ‘fake news’ and refused to answer questions from a CNN reporter.

Trump had earlier tweeted:

CNN have responded:

Also at CNN’s response to Trump’s accusations of false reporting

Meanwhile from the BBC:

 

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  1. This may be a difficult association for Trump to dump:

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  2. Alf Garnett

     /  January 12, 2017

    CNN are now trying to distance themselves and their own version of fake news from Buzzfeed’s fake news

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax

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    • Klik Bate

       /  January 12, 2017

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      • Gezza

         /  January 12, 2017

        Could be genuine. The suit shirt & tie are what he was wearing.

        Don’t you think it’s about time the IRS released a detailed series of tweets on exactly WTF is taking them so long❓ 😳

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  3. I have read the “documents” published by Buzz News and do not concede their authenticity in any way. For a start, the documents claimed security classifications are no consistent with normal practice within the 5eyes community for intelligence of such nature. The absence of a “NOFORN” designation is a dead give away. The language used id far too flowery for the style of intelligence reporting and show a lexicon that differs from the normal usage. I would have to grade the reports as F6. Unproven and from a suspect source. I have no read the 4Chan claim, and can not comment further because I do not use the Dark Net as a source of believable information despite its apparent support for my assessment.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 12, 2017

      I haven’t read these reports referred to as I was waiting to see the videos Bj. Guess I’d better go have a read.

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    • Klik Bate

       /  January 12, 2017

      You would certainly need to have serious concerns about John McCain’s involvement in all this as well ❓

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      • Gezza

         /  January 12, 2017

        Could you be serious just for once please Klik, like I always am. Honestly, not everything requires a piss take❗️

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      • Yes, KB I certainly do not understand the motivation of not supporting the Republican President in waiting. Perhaps his years in VC prison camps are a constant nightmare for him. It is strange that he was the intermediary between the author of the reports and the US Intelligence Community. We know he is opposed to Trump the President within Republican ranks. I wonder if his involvement has a motive to put his money’s worth in Pence for President, which would be the result if Trump is indicted for whatever.

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  4. David

     /  January 12, 2017

    “BBC correspondent says there’s more than one source, more than one tape & more than one date of allegations in Trump intel dossier”

    That really does make it sound like it’s not just a bit of crap, it’s Marks & Spencer’s Premium Crap.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 12, 2017

      ” ‘WikiLeaks, which recently has been in lockstep with the president-elect in criticizing American media, also dismissed the memos: “35 page PDF published by Buzzfeed on Trump is not an intelligence report,” the organization tweeted. “Style, facts & dates show no credibility.’ ”

      Well, either they should know, or they’re just being anti-competitive.

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      • Blazer

         /  January 12, 2017

        it confirms the Col’s assessment.

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        • Gezza

           /  January 12, 2017

          Haven’t seen anything from Dave you say Dave yet. Have you?

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          • Blazer

             /  January 12, 2017

            Dave I say Dave,surprised me ,how knowledgable he was on Maori/NZ history…he actually had parti …on the ropes…pretty hard to do.

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  5. Zedd

     /  January 12, 2017

    … & yet the ‘Intelligence agencies’ (CIA/FBI) are reportedly taking it more seriously ? :/

    Drump is just showing how much, it actually looks like somethings being ‘covered up’.. along with his tax records ! 😦

    … BUT ‘you cant fool all the people all the time’.. sounds like he may not have heard this.. YET ??

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    • Who is Drump, Zedd? If you mean Trump, then why not say so. Using labels for people is demeaning of yourself as much as the person alluded to. If you don’t have the moral fortitude (I almost said intestinal fortitude) to say it, don’t.

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  6. Joe Bloggs

     /  January 12, 2017

    Are Republicans just going to let reports that Russia has compromising information on the Cheezel and that someone from his campaign was directly in touch with Russia go without further investigation? Even knowing that the Cheezel worked to deliver Russia’s wish list?

    Of course Republicans don’t want to look into this.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 12, 2017

      It’s all getting off to a great start, the new regime, isn’t it?

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      • Zedd

         /  January 12, 2017

        @Gezza

        you may well be right.. BUT; he isn’t actually ‘Mr Pres’ yet.. still another 8 LONG days to go !

        I already hear, there are commentators saying.. ‘there could already be enough evidence.. to impeach him.. before the seat gets warm !!’ 😀
        “que sera sera” :/

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  January 12, 2017

          But there aren’t enough Democrats!

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        • Gezza

           /  January 12, 2017

          I doubt it. But what I really mean is that fake news & disinfo & hacking are all now part of the political scene, get massive public attention & coverage, both the claims getting reported, and the denials, & distract & disrupt the whole political & government landscape far, far more than they did before.

          Before, this stuff was just the standard fare of wacko conspiracy sites, which people didn’t generally bother with once they saw how mad some of their claims were.

          Ironically, Trump may have been the one who alerted ‘enemies’ to ramp up into social media as the best way to get coverage of destabilising mischief.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 12, 2017

      I suspect they will look into it and dismember their badly compromised intelligence agencies accordingly.

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    • Joe Bloggs, the Cheezel comment rates as bad as Drump.

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  7. Zedd

     /  January 12, 2017

    Interesting; Drump talks about himself in the 3rd person.. ‘If Putin likes Donald J.. ‘

    Isnt this is one of the early sign of ‘going CRAZY’ ? :/

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  8. Pete Kane

     /  January 12, 2017

    A Left perspective a few minutes ago. No sympathy for the MSM and the Democratic establishment. (This guys audience is huge).
    Warning – some strong language here.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 12, 2017

      ” … for God’s sake the United States hacked Angela Merkel’s phone … we do this shit all time … “. Classic.

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  9. Further to my earlier assessment of the worth of the Buzzfeed News document I see the following report :
    “Some former intelligence staffers are even more dubious. “Bluntly, it looks like an ex-field officer who’s got some interesting sources, but who has no idea how to compile raw HUMINT into usable intelligence,” says Matt Tait, a former staffer of Britain’s GCHQ intelligence agency. (“HUMINT” stands for “human intelligence,” information obtained from human sources, as opposed to SIGINT, or “signals intelligence,” gathered from intercepted communications.) With its sources redacted and none of the “confidence markings” intelligence agencies use to distinguish which claims are most credible, the document is tough to parse, Tait says.”
    Tait further adds:
    ““The key to usable HUMINT is distinguishing the real, highly placed sources from the bullshitting wannabes who pretend they’re highly placed sources by making shit up that fits the public facts,” says Tait. “In this case, the doc gives no indication that the company has done work to rigorously separate the two…and consequently it’s really hard to tell whether any of the info is actually true, or just a very exciting and expensively produced fan-fiction novel.
    See https://www.wired.com/2017/01/spy-agency-vets-read-bombshell-trump-report-caution/?mbid=nl_11117_p3&CNDID=22726638.

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    • Gezza

       /  January 12, 2017

      Just in respect of that last cited piece of analysis by Mr Skinner I would remind readers of a relevant observation by an acknowledged expert:

      “The language used [is] far too flowery for the style of intelligence reporting and show a lexicon that differs from the normal usage.”

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      • Gezza

         /  January 12, 2017

        Sources have subsequently informed Gezza that the flowery quote to which he refers above was actually alleged to have been made by a “Matt Tait”, who, it is claimed, is “a former staffer of Britain’s GCHQ intelligence agency”.

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        • Klik Bate

           /  January 12, 2017

          Actually, Matt sounds like a real serious sort of dude Geeza…. runs his own ‘cyber-security’ company

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          • Gezza

             /  January 12, 2017

            Gezza wonders WHY he is no longer … “working for” … “GCHQ” 🕵❓

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        • Yes Gezza, that is actually stated in the text I posted. The reason Matt is no longer serving with GCSB may be the same reason I no longer work in the area of Intelligence after 50 years of service and aged 75+. Maybe he has retired, and is speaking from experience too. I do not know his history so I am speculating. However, I have to say I had not read the quote until welll after I submitted my comment, so there was no reference to what he had said until I found it.

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          • Delete GCSB insert GCHQ (Freud at work again!). To clarify, the 35 pages of documents ere NOT authored by Tait, who is quoted as being sceptical about its origins, like I am.

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          • Gezza

             /  January 12, 2017

            Doesn’t look too much like a disabled veteran with a lifetime distinguished & honourable career serving his country in both the Military Services & the Diplomatic Service, Sir.
            https://www.lawfareblog.com/contributors/mtait

            Ben I think might be an admirer of his though?

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            • Thanks Gezza, I was lazy and hadn’t checked his bio details. He does look a tad younger than those whom I served with! However he has the credentials in the right area, and age is not the final criterion of excellence.

            • Ben could be an admirer of his work in Project Zero for Google but Ben tries not to admire anyone or anything except his garden these days. Ben admits that Mr Tait is well-respected in the community though. Ben has been laughing a lot reading YourNZ the last two days 😏

            • Gezza

               /  January 12, 2017

              No worries Bj. I followed that link of Klik’s who I consider has done some excellent intelligence work in this area which has not been acknowledged possibly owing to other people being overly focussed on his niece & her possibly questionable occupation.

              My point is, though, is that everyone gets talking heads who are supposedly well-qualified to opine, but has anybody ever really questioned his (or their) credentials? So far all I have extablished is what HE says he did and who he worked for. Has GCHQ confirmed this ?

            • Gezza

               /  January 12, 2017

              Gezza has had a successful couple of minutes angling.

  10. More detail about the Russian allegations and their history…

    Trump ‘compromising’ claims: How and why did we get here?

    Donald Trump has described as “fake news” allegations published in some media that his election team colluded with Russia – and that Russia held compromising material about his private life. The BBC’s Paul Wood saw the allegations before the election, and reports on the fallout now they have come to light.

    … but it comes short of being evidence.

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    • PDB

       /  January 12, 2017

      Yep – claims and allegations without any proof – what goes around comes around so they say……..

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    • Gezza, sorry I should have complimented you on your question as to whether GCHQ has confirmed his status. It would be neat to see an answer but hell will freeze over before GCHQ provides any details of current or recent employees. For their safety. Now ask why CNN et al identified the writer of the 35 page report?

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  11. Missy

     /  January 12, 2017

    It is an interesting situation when you have Fox News supporting CNN, and CNN broadcasting a Fox News comment (just happened on CNN).

    This whole story is extraordinary, and very dubious in my opinion, but Trump has not helped himself with his reaction.

    I always find reading Piers Morgan’s articles on Trump quite interesting, love him or hate him Morgan has a different view on Trump due to their friendship, but he does not blindly support him, and quite rightly (and regularly) calls him out when he thinks Trump is being an idiot and unwise.

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    • I apologise unreservedly for my comments to you last year, Missy. They were disrespectful, a bit scary, uncalled for and I’m ashamed of it. I was very glad you didn’t stop posting here and I often read your comments and write-ups. I wish you all the best.

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      • Missy

         /  January 13, 2017

        Apology accepted Ben, I concede my response was not my finest moment, so I say lets leave it in the past – it was sooooo last year – and start anew for a new year. 🙂

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  12. I just wrote about this on my blog. This is a trying time in the government and media.

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  13. Forrest

     /  January 13, 2017

    CNN is heading in a downfall that they seem to be without a parachute. Wolf’s career is on the line. Ratings are terrible. Why are they so scared of a man who is trying to make America great again? Fools and their folly. I don’t like lies and smearing truths. Go bye CNN….the Clinton castle has fallen.

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