Open Forum – Thursday

12 January 2017

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57 Comments

    • buzzfeed=click bait

      Lol the first paragraph of your link. “A dossier, compiled by a person who has claimed to be a former British intelligence official, alleges Russia has compromising information on Trump. The allegations are unverified, and the report contains errors”

      “These reports allege Trump has deep ties to (whatever – just add your own serial killer, vice gang, or foreign country deemed evil to Democrats depending on day of week)

  1. lurcher1948

     /  January 12, 2017

    Must be all those trade deals with the muslums…or maybe our new PM doesn’t like jews…
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/01/need-talk-governmentss-attitude-toward-terrorism/

    • lucher1948

       /  January 12, 2017

      A past new immigrant national supporter

      • Gezza

         /  January 12, 2017

        I understand he was only here for a short time as a student. If I recall correctly they shot his ass, he didn’t do the firecracker act.

  2. Joe Bloggs

     /  January 12, 2017

    This is like 60% of USA’s problems summed up right here,

    http://distractify.com/trending/2017/01/10/guy-shuts-down-obamacare-rant

    ayyyy-yep…

  3. Klik Bate

     /  January 12, 2017

    When my niece in the US retweeted this story, she asked “….whether even JK would still want to be seen in a foursome with B.O.” ❓

    • Gezza

       /  January 12, 2017

      So, what does Shez do for a living, Kilk, out of interest? Not a wedding planner, one assumes?

    • Blazer

       /  January 12, 2017

      Golf is only one driver in the Key/Obama relationship.Now they are both retiring there is nothing more to iron out politically,and a fairway to go in the foursome getting to know each other better socially.The press have been rough on both of them regarding any legacy and I’m sure their common links will prove durable in the future.Expect Obama to come out swinging if there is any ‘divestment’.

  4. Klik Bate

     /  January 12, 2017

    To be honest G, she doesn’t have to do a lot these days – very much a girl of ‘private means’ as they say 😄

  5. Klik Bate

     /  January 12, 2017

    Can you believe this shit ❓

    My niece in the US retweets…… “Art that glorifies ‘Black Lives Matter’ – the quicker we drain the swamp the better”

  6. Kitty Catkin

     /  January 12, 2017

    I can’t believe that seven minutes of the news were devoted to the father and daughter sailing to Australia including seemingly endless interviews with people in Kawhia (and one piece of film of a house whose resident didn’t want to be interviewed) We saw Que (what kind of person calls their child What and pronounces it Kwee ?) sitting on a mobility scooter. Fascinating. Then there was an item about some footballers swearing at two female parking wardens (it sounded as if it would have been all right had they been men). Seven minutes later, the real news began.

    • Gezza

       /  January 12, 2017

      Your trouble is you take too much too literately.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  January 12, 2017

        1/5 of the news devoted to THAT ? Spare me.

        And as que is what or which in more than one language, I wonder why anyone would not only burden their child with it (everyone who hears it will think it’s spelt Kwee and those who just see it will think it’s the French or Spanish for what and pronounce it that way) but grossly mispronounce it. Remember Manuel saying ‘Que ?’

        • Gezza

           /  January 12, 2017

          Who could forget? The man was a linguinial genius.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 12, 2017

            Even now, if someone says ‘Manuel’, one knows who it is.

            • Klik Bate

               /  January 12, 2017

              Yes, with most people it’s automatic.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 13, 2017

              And yet Fawlty Towers was ? years ago.

              My old man knew the real hotel-later demolished by an idiotic new owner.

  7. PDB

     /  January 12, 2017

    Climate change ‘science’

    “Research and other professional activities are professionally rewarded only if they are channeled in certain directions approved by a politicized academic establishment — funding, ease of getting your papers published, getting hired in prestigious positions, appointments to prestigious committees and boards, professional recognition, etc

    How young scientists are to navigate all this is beyond me, and it often becomes a battle of scientific integrity versus career suicide (I have worked through these issues with a number of skeptical young scientists)”

    “By “career suicide”, Dr Curry means that, if you dissent from the Big Climate orthodoxy, thug enforcers like Dr Michael E Mann will take the hockey stick to you until there’s nothing left”.

    http://www.steynonline.com/7661/the-craziness-of-the-climate-science-echo-chamber

    • Gezza

       /  January 12, 2017

      Kitty, shouldn’t the quotes inside quotes in the last paragraph be single quotes only?
      Thanking you in anticipation.
      Sincerely etc
      Gezza

    • Blazer

       /  January 12, 2017

      Climate change denier.

    • Gezza

       /  January 12, 2017

      Certainly a lot of bitterness in the field on both sides reflected in that article

      • PDB

         /  January 12, 2017

        The key here is that climate scientists should let the results of their experiments & analysis dictate policy, not the other way around.

        And why are people that are willing to question man-made climate change written off as generic ‘climate change deniers’? Simply (as Blazer helpfully demonstrated) because the science isn’t settled, they don’t wish to have a healthy debate of ideas even though there is no proof that CO2 causes global warming – zero.

        • Gezza

           /  January 12, 2017

          There is still a very large body of scientists who think that it does, and is. While I might concede the debates & some of the scientific establishment leaders, particularly in the US & maybe UK, have got acrimonious, I’m not so sure that they are effectively also forcing other scientists around the field to just “fall in with the fashion” or piss off.

          Personally I am happy for the science to be challenged.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 12, 2017

            It’s easy to provide reasons it might. Hard to find proof that it does. Climate cycles are long and reliable data series are short. The statistics are against you.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 12, 2017

              The intuitive counter argument of course is that high CO2 levels in planetary history did not produce run-away temperature outcomes. The feedback systems positive and negative are complex and very hard to model.

          • PDB

             /  January 12, 2017

            None of those prove anything PG, let alone cause people to say ‘the science is settled’? For those theories I can show you other opposing one’s.

            Answer me this – CO2 levels around the world rose heavily in the post-war boom so why did temperatures drop (even on the graphs with temperatures modified by the scientists) at the same time if CO2 & temperature rise run hand-in-hand?

  8. PDB

     /  January 12, 2017

    That’s all you got Blazer? Not that anybody expects anything better from you.

  9. Missy

     /  January 12, 2017

    Okay YNZers, I am going to have a little rant. There is something that over recent times has been annoying me immensely, but generally I have been able to avoid the annoyance – that is until recent months where I have seen it sneak into one or two commenters comments here. I always like being here because the commenters are generally intelligent and debate matters intelligently and maturely, but lately I have noticed one or two that seem to be picking up the juvenile and immature habit of stupid names for people they don’t like in politics – no doubt thinking they are funny but not realising they look childish.

    I see it quite a lot on social media, mostly it seems to come from the left, the right seem more inclined to put an adjective or noun in front of someone’s name to be derogatory, but the left seem to be more inclined to change a person’s name to be nasty and derogatory.

    Without hunting for it, the one’s that over the last week or two that have really annoyed me the most are:
    From the right:
    Angry Andy – yes he is, but to use it every time is just childish
    Comrade Corbyn – yes he is a Socialist, and seemingly stuck in the 60’s, but really calling him Comrade is just showing that others are also stuck in the 60’s
    From All sides:
    Cameroon – okay, just adding a letter, but really it is just a little childish, and is worse when it is used by so-called journalists (I saw it used in a paper the other day)
    Bliar – Okay, Blair lied, but really as above, childish
    From the Left:
    Jonkey – A favourite at the Standard – need I say more??
    Drump(f) – Two variations on this one, and just immature and it lowers the tone of any debate. It is hard to take anyone’s concerns about Trump (and there are many) seriously when they resort to stupid names like a 5 year old.

    So, I am going to ask nicely, would it be too much for people to be a little less childish and actually debate like grown ups, your otherwise valid comments could be written off or missed with this stupid name calling.

    Rant Over.

    Have a nice evening everyone, I am looking forward to the miniscule amount of snow today that will (inevitably) stop all public transport as soon as they spot a snowflake (a real one at that).

    • Gezza

       /  January 12, 2017

      👜 💋

    • Blazer

       /  January 13, 2017

      [Deleted due to childish name calling – PG]

      • Blazer

         /  January 13, 2017

        Insert Ad hominum Epithet.

        • Gezza

           /  January 13, 2017

          [ ****** #%|*^!! ]
          Don’t expect favours from me like this all the time tho.

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  January 13, 2017

      “Drumpf” refers the the Trump family’s ancestral name.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  January 13, 2017

        Yes – foreign funny sounding names. Hilarious. Who can forget the wonderful Paul Henry banter about Sheila Dikshit. Comedy gold. Keep up that stirling work.

      • Missy

         /  January 13, 2017

        I was not aware of that, I thought it was a childish nasty nickname based on the context of the comments I have seen on social media and in blogs of people using it. It is certainly not being used respectfully. I will concede on that one I may be incorrect (though it still annoys me since the family name has evolved and changed as many others probably have too).

      • Missy

         /  January 13, 2017

        Okay, I have just done a little google search on that, and it appears that John Oliver was the catalyst to encourage people to use the name Drumpf. That then makes me believe that the use of it is not in its status as an ancestral name, but rather to mock, and therefore it is used in a nasty, negative, and mocking way.

        This therefore negates any claim that it is okay to use it as it is his ancestral name.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 13, 2017

        Surname

        The immigration records list his name as Friedr. Trumpf, but sources including the genealogy organization FamilySearch, a genealogist at About.com, and the 2013 book America’s Obsessives concluded that both his father and his aunt’s surnames were Trump.[19][20][21] Gwenda Blair’s The Trumps: Three Generations of Builders and a Presidential Candidate (2001) said that the family name was changed from Drumpf to Trump during the Thirty Years’ War of the 1600s.[22][23][24] Journalist Kate Connolly, visiting Kallstadt, found several variations in spelling of the surname in the town archives but her article does not note “Drumpf.”[25]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump

        1% History, 99% abuse.