Beggar’s belief

Bob Jones has created controversy again, this time with comments criticising beggars on Newstalk ZB.

NZ Herald has more details: Sir Bob Jones labels homeless people a ‘disgrace to society’

“They’re a bloody disgrace, they’re an eyesore, it’s a disgrace in a modern society that fat people – that fat Maoris as they mostly are – are lying on our streets of our city begging.” he told Chris Lynch  on NewstalkZB.

He said begging should be made illegal.

“I was in the city yesterday, in Wellington, and one bugger was standing there, he had a message, this Maori bloke, ‘I’m not on welfare’ – and this apparently was an achievement – ‘so give me money.”

“It baffles me when people say, ‘Oh leave them alone’.  They should be ashamed of people begging on the streets… I’m ashamed of these people. They’re a disgrace to the human race.”

“If they want to degrade themselves, let them do it in private. We shouldn’t be subject to that.”

He said New Zealand has a welfare system and there’s a shortage in the country’s workforce so there’s no need for people to beg.

“We’re having to import labour for manual work ’cause that’s all these people could do, they’re obviously not lawyers and things, and doctors.”

Not surprisingly there has been quite a reaction to that, especially “it’s a disgrace in a modern society that fat people – that fat Maoris as they mostly are – are lying on our streets of our city begging.”

Coincidentally today, from Stuff: West Auckland beggar says his gig is up:

West Auckland beggar Conrad has learnt his first lesson in personal finance – never share your income.

Stuff published a story on Conrad on January 16 where he claimed he was making up to $150 a day from begging at Henderson’s Lincoln North Plaza. He also said that he was not homeless, and used the money for drugs.

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He says the publicity has cost him dearly and says now “no-one is being nice to me”.

That’s not surprising.

Conrad claimed there was a begging “syndicate” operating in the area. A retailer also says a syndicate operates in the area and there is “a leader of the ring”.

I can guess that some of his fellow beggars are not very happy.

Henderson Community Constable Martyn Spear says the man has been issued with a trespass notice from Lincoln North Plaza for begging.

The community constable says drugs and alcohol addiction are the reason behind begging “without exception”.

All the beggars he has dealt with at the plaza are not homeless, have social support and are on the benefit, he says.

Spear recommends not giving money to beggars.

The poor people problem is not an easy one to fix.

Neither is Bob Jones’ propensity to say things as he sees them.

 

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25 Comments

  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  17th January 2017

    I have seen posters saying that giving money can be doing harm, not good, that beggars are very seldom homeless and giving money is helping their drug habits.

    $150 a day ? I must buy a hat. $900 a week ? Blimey.

    The ones I have seen begging are not exactly skeletons covered in skin, and if I am honest, they are usually Maori. It’s not racist to say so, it’s a statement of fact.The problem cannot be solved if one ignores the race of those doing it.

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  17th January 2017

      I remember a few months back, I was at the local servo gassing up my car. A couple pulled up on the other side of the bowser. The male driver jumped out & walked up to me.
      “Hey Bro, are you a local?”.
      I told him I was.
      “We’ve just driven down from up north, and we’re going to a tangi down the coast. We’re almost out of gas, can you spare $20?”
      I replied, “Perhaps you should have thought about that before you left?”.
      He looked at me as if he was going to hit me, so I said “Just fucking try it mate, I’ve got steel caps on, and there’s cameras watching you!”.
      He paused for a second, then walked over to the next car and asked the same thing.
      I was relating this to my sister a few days later, and saying that I felt a little guilty afterwards, because he might have been genuine. She laughed, and told me she had been asked exactly the same thing, at the same servo, one day earlier 😀

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  17th January 2017

        I wasn’t asked at a servo, the man (probably the same bloke) drove along and stopped in the street-off to a tangi, could I etc. No, I couldn’t. He milked the town (or tried to) until word got around. I knew one person who fell for it and handed money over-quite a lot, much more than $20, but I have forgotten now how much. I think that the boys in blue may have given him a delicate hint that his room was more desirable than his company !

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      • PDB

         /  17th January 2017

        I was in Drury filling up a while back and the same thing happened to my partner who was going to give the guy money until I intervened. The guy was quite aggressive. Common scam.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  17th January 2017

          TBH Pants, I’ve been a lot more sceptical of beggars recently. About a year ago, I pulled up at the supermarket one Sunday morning, and was walking in when a young lady of about 25 rode up on a bicycle.
          “Please sir, I need $4 to buy some milk for my kids, you got any spare change?”.
          I’d had a decent win on the horses the night before, so had about $20 in change in my pocket from the ‘aftermath’ of it 😉 . I said “Yup, sure”, as I plucked $4 out of my fistful of change. Her eyes lit up, and she asked “Can I have all of that??!!”. Still having several hundred in notes in my back pocket, (and in all likelihood still half cut 😀 ), I said “Sure, why not!”. She rode off yelling something along the lines of “Thankyou Sir, praise the lord”, right across the road, & dropped her bike right outside……. the wholesaler!!! I thought it was pretty funny at the time 😀

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    • Tim Jones

       /  18th January 2017

      What Kitty? White people invaded the Maori’s land. Let the man “beg” as you people call it, a more decent title is pan-handle- his money back from the true thieves. Get over your high horse talking about “take note of race”. It takes GENERATIONS to make the playing field even. #TEAMCONRAD

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  18th January 2017

        You are a joke, aren’t you? You can’t be serious surely?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th January 2017

        Pan-handle is an Americanism, and it’s a euphemism. We are not Americans, let’s call begging by its rightful name and not use mealy-mouthed expressions that try to make something sound better.

        People get OFF high horses, not OVER them-that’s a meaningless usage.

        I will not give any of my own tiny income to someone so that they can buy drugs with it, that is not only absurd but irresponsible.

        These people are being kept by taxpayers, and as Pakehas are the majority, it’s Pakeha money.

        Your attitude is extremely patronising to Maori. The beggars are a tiny % of Maori. You should see the house and cars of my Maori neighbours. They live in a large, two storey house with a swimming pool and a garage which has a large room included. I live in a little two-bedroom cottage. I don’t envy them, they have earned their nice things as have the Maori neighbours on the other side ! To act as if they must be paupers because they are Maori is nonsense.

        It makes no sense not to see what the sort of person who’s begging is like, so that they can be targeted to break the cycle. Being PC is stupid when there’s so much at stake.

        The old ‘white people invaded’ thing is tired and there’s no point in trying to have a discussion about it.

        If you want to know about even playing-fields, ask how many scholarships are available for Pakeha-only.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  18th January 2017

        Panhandle isn’t ‘decent’. Look up the definition…it’s another word for the same thing. It’s like calling someone fuller figured instead of fat.

        What would you do if one of the beggars stole your wallet ?

        I wonder how many unskilled workers take home $750-900 a week, tax free. If he is also on th UB, that would put his income into the $1000+ bracket. Not bad for cadging-and don’t tell me that beggars only cadge from Pakehas, I know that they don’t.

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  2. PDB

     /  17th January 2017

    The problem with beggars in New Zealand is that people pay them money and the left-wing politicise them as representatives of how bad New Zealand society has become. In some cases mental illness is an issue but in the main these people are feeding their addictions which are best treated off the street in the many free programmes the govt runs.

    At least Conrad was honest about why he is begging (drug money) though look where that got him – I can’t imagine we will hear any other honesty on the matter.

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  3. Gezza

     /  17th January 2017

    Clever post headline PG.

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    • Kevin

       /  17th January 2017

      Yep – made me want to click on it which is the hallmark of a great headline.

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      • Gezza

         /  17th January 2017

        Would’ve been better without the apostrophe but I didn’t want to be too pedantic.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  17th January 2017

    Deport them.

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    • Gezza

       /  17th January 2017

      That won’t work. Bob would have to go. He’s an arrogant beggar.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  17th January 2017

        They should go somewhere they would be accepted, like India.

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        • Gezza

           /  17th January 2017

          Does Sir Robert speak Hindi, do you know?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  17th January 2017

            You should know. You live in Wellington with him.

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          • Gezza

             /  17th January 2017

            He’s a Hutt Valley sort of chap, Alan, & as yet my knighthood has not been confirmed or conferred. We don’t move in the same circles.

            Let me hasten to add that I am rather fond of him. Just because *some people* are arrogant beggars doesn’t mean I can’t be really fond of them.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  17th January 2017

              I could ask my brother but he will probably say that Sir Bob’s conversational flow in English whenever he’s met him didn’t leave any need for Hindi.

            • Gezza

               /  17th January 2017

              Quite understand. Personally I wonder if his residential area in some way contributes to his pugilistic tendencies.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  18th January 2017

              I suspect it was his tough upbringing, G. I do enjoy his sense of humour and disdain for conventional thinking.

  5. Tim Jones

     /  18th January 2017

    Conrad is amazing! Someone please make this man a meme. Love it!

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  6. What would you do if you saw a beggar holding sign saying “I need $1,000 to go to Australia and $10,000 to go to USA” at the mall? BAN THEM from the mall with a trespass notice or LET THEM stay at the mall till they reach their intended target to buy airfares for going to either Australia or USA as well as booking accommodation and activities in either Australia or USA? I hope you don’t ban beggars from the mall with trespass notices if you know they are only asking for money to go to either Australia or USA! I also think you should only ban beggars from the mall if they are being abusive to people or are begging for money to buy alcohol, drugs or gambling sessions! Don’t ban beggars from the mall if they are holding sign asking for money to go on holiday! Only ban beggars from the mall if they are abusive to people or these beggars have given you a reason for using money to go towards alcohol, drugs and gambling! I think this article is not fair for beggars who only go to the mall and hold sign asking for money to go on holiday not for alcohol, drugs and gambling! To be honest, I don’t think anyone who has read that story has actually seen a beggar going to the mall and holding sign asking for money to go on holiday! Please let beggars stay at the mall if they have been holding a sign saying “I need money to go on holiday” and that money is used for holiday purposes only not for buying alcohol, drugs and gambling tickets! If a beggar gives you the reason that they need money to go on holiday, LET THEM stay at the mall till they have achieved their intended target and DON’T GIVE THEM the trespass notice banning them from the mall! If a beggar gives you the reason that they are using money to buy alcohol, drugs or gambling tickets, BAN THEM from the mall with a trespass notice! Will Stuff.co.nz run an article on beggar who is holding sign asking for money to go on holiday? Please support beggars who are holding signs asking for money to go on holiday! When you give money to a beggar who is holding sign asking for money to go towards holiday, these money will help the beggar plan their own holiday! I support beggars who are holding signs asking for money to go on holiday by giving them the money so they can have the money to go on their dream holiday! SUPPORT BEGGARS WHO ARE HOLDING SIGNS ASKING FOR MONEY TO GO ON HOLIDAY! DON’T SUPPORT BEGGARS WHO ARE HOLDING SIGNS ASKING FOR MONEY TO GO TOWARDS ALCOHOL, DRUGS AND GAMBLING!

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    • Tim Jones

       /  19th January 2017

      It’s simple, donate if you feel like doing so and ignore if not. Unless the pan-handler is rude, it’s nothing on you. Bunch of bored small minded folks on here.

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