ISIS try to capitalise off Trump

This isn’t surprising – ISIS and Al Qaeda are trying to capitalise off the actions of Donald Trump in immigration and refugee restrictions targeting Muslim countries.

There was always going to be a risk of escalation.

The Independent: Isis hails Donald Trump’s Muslim immigration restrictions as a ‘blessed ban’

Al Qaeda, Isis and other jihadi groups are thrilled with US President Donald Trump’s executive order on immigration targeting Muslim countries, describing it as proof that the US is at war with Islam.

The new legislation signed by Mr Trump on Friday temporarily suspends the US’ refugee programme and bans citizens of seven predominantly Muslim countries (Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen) from entering the country on the grounds of national security.

Isis-friendly channels on the Telegram messaging service described the ban as “blessed”, echoing how the US 2003 invasion of Iraq was called a “blessed invasion” for reinvigorating anti-US sentiment in the region.

One user greeted the news of the “Muslim ban” as “the best caller to Islam”, hoping it will draw Muslim Americans to their cause.

Several posts suggested that the prediction of Anwar al-Awlaki – a US-born al Qaeda leader killed in Yemen in 2011 – that “the West would eventually turn against its Muslim citizens” was coming true.

Of course this may be exactly what Trump wants – here’s a real risk he will use this as justification for strengthening his restrictions and perhaps increasing US military attacks in the Middle East.

Some in the US, and ISIS and Al Qaeda and other jihadi groups, seem to want an all out war between the West and Muslim countries.

This is a high risk game. If it does blow up big the only certainty is there will be unintended consequences, and it could get very ugly for many parts of the world.

36 Comments

  1. I am sure I can see the Donald sitting back and saying, “See what I mean, they’re animals – and you’d run the risk of these people entering our country. We’re at war fellow Americans and they’d bring the theatre here if I let them in. I need at least 90 days to sort out some new ground rules!”

  2. The 7 countries. Six are failed states known to have extreme ISIS activity. Iran, is a sworn enemy of the U.S. and it openly sponsors international terrorism. While the so-called ban (in truth a three month halt) applies to some dual nationals, it doesn’t apply US citizens.

    As an aside, I ask myself why people cling to dual nationality. If an Iraqi refugee or migrant comes to live in NZ, I’ve always assumed he/she keeps a passport for ease of travel back to see relatives, conduct business, holiday etc. Renouncing citizenship is of itself a commitment to one’s adopted country. Many countries will not let you keep a former nationality. There’s something to that stance.

    • Gezza

       /  1st February 2017

      I’ve asked some dual passport holders that – mostly holders of British passports. They said it just made it easier travelling to Britain & some other parts of the world.

      • its called “cake and eat it too”. Who knows when it might occur to them to take their money and buy a house in the South of France or on the Algarve

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  1st February 2017

          No, it’s not. I have had a British passport & an NZ one and it didn’t occur to me that I might do that-why would I want to live in the South of France ? I can’t see having an Iranian passport being at all relevant to that, either.

          Anyway, it’s nobody’s business what other people do with their money..

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  1st February 2017

    There absolutely needs to be a war against the aspects of Islam that are an affront to western values. Stupid beliefs are not a reason to permit oppressive behaviour.

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  1st February 2017

      What sort of uniform will you dress your thought police in?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  1st February 2017

        Ridicule is the best weapon.

        • Anonymous Coward

           /  1st February 2017

          Ridicule doesn’t work with religion, it strengthens their resolve.
          Look at the Creationists in the US, they were ridiculed – did it make them change their mind? No. Instead they built a massive museum and a full scale model of Noah’s Ark, and successfully lobbied to have evolution removed from the syllabus in some states.

          http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-map-showing-which-u-s-public-schools-teach-creationi-1515717148

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  1st February 2017

            There will always be a minority who want to think they are special and persecuted. But most people don’t like soundly based ridicule.

          • Gezza

             /  1st February 2017

            I don’t think any have successfully had it removed from the current public school syllabuses, they just suceeded in having it described as only a theory.
            Ridiculing religion is less effective than just saying that the religion is not true & offering to debate it with a believer if they’re so convinced it is.

            • its not removed

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  1st February 2017

              Yep you’re both right. But creationism is included in a few places, and there’s a lot of textbooks with stickers on the front that say Evolution is just a theory.

            • Gezza

               /  1st February 2017

              I’m back up to six on the board.
              You’re five.
              Sir Alan’s four.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  1st February 2017

              Ridicule leads to resentment and anger.Anyone who was ridiculed at school will know that this didn’t make them change their way of thinking.

              I don’t believe that people in other countries are under any obligation to change their beliefs-why should Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs change to suit someone else ? Nor do I think that they should be repressed if they emigrate. The local Sikhs and Buddhists have their own temples, and, as they don’t try to convert other people, the rest of us should return the compliment. What makes Western beliefs so great that everyone should take these on ?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  1st February 2017

              That they don’t involve killing those of other religions, mutilating women and mandating their dress, forcing them into marriage and not protecting them subsequently, killing gays and transsexuals, etc.

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  1st February 2017

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  1st February 2017

        AC, you are a very bad boy. Go and stand in the Naughty Corner. psst….take this box of choccies with you….

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  1st February 2017

      From Farcebook:

      ” Maybe not incompetence, but deliberate malevolence? Consider this from Heather Richardson, professor of History at Boston College:

      “What Bannon is doing, most dramatically with last night’s ban on immigration from seven predominantly Muslim countries– is creating what is known as a “shock event.”
      Such an event is unexpected and confusing and throws a society into chaos. People scramble to react to the event, usually along some fault line that those responsible for the event can widen by claiming that they alone know how to restore order.
      When opponents speak out, the authors of the shock event call them enemies. As society reels and tempers run high, those responsible for the shock event perform a sleight of hand to achieve their real goal, a goal they know to be hugely unpopular, but from which everyone has been distracted as they fight over the initial event. There is no longer concerted opposition to the real goal; opposition divides along the partisan lines established by the shock event.
      Last night’s Executive Order has all the hallmarks of a shock event. It was not reviewed by any governmental agencies or lawyers before it was released, and counterterrorism experts insist they did not ask for it. People charged with enforcing it got no instructions about how to do so. Courts immediately have declared parts of it unconstitutional, but border police in some airports are refusing to stop enforcing it.
      Predictably, chaos has followed and tempers are hot.
      My point today is this: unless you are the person setting it up, it is in no one’s interest to play the shock event game. It is designed explicitly to divide people who might otherwise come together so they cannot stand against something its authors think they won’t like.
      I don’t know what Bannon is up to– although I have some guesses– but because I know Bannon’s ideas well, I am positive that there is not a single person whom I consider a friend on either side of the aisle– and my friends range pretty widely– who will benefit from whatever it is.
      If the shock event strategy works, though, many of you will blame each other, rather than Bannon, for the fallout. And the country will have been tricked into accepting their real goal.
      But because shock events destabilize a society, they can also be used positively. We do not have to respond along old fault lines. We could just as easily reorganize into a different pattern that threatens the people who sparked the event.
      A successful shock event depends on speed and chaos because it requires knee-jerk reactions so that people divide along established lines. This, for example, is how Confederate leaders railroaded the initial southern states out of the Union.
      If people realize they are being played, though, they can reach across old lines and reorganize to challenge the leaders who are pulling the strings. This was Lincoln’s strategy when he joined together Whigs, Democrats, Free-Soilers, anti-Nebraska voters, and nativists into the new Republican Party to stand against the Slave Power.
      Five years before, such a coalition would have been unimaginable. Members of those groups agreed on very little other than that they wanted all Americans to have equal economic opportunity. Once they began to work together to promote a fair economic system, though, they found much common ground. They ended up rededicating the nation to a “government of the people, by the people, and for the people.”
      Confederate leaders and Lincoln both knew about the political potential of a shock event. As we are in the midst of one, it seems worth noting that Lincoln seemed to have the better idea about how to use it.”

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  1st February 2017

        Shock event – President implements campaign promises. Opposition and MSM hysterical. Swamp life panicking. Reforms coming.

        • Anonymous Coward

           /  1st February 2017

          But what reforms?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  1st February 2017

          I would expect those sketched in his Inauguration speech along with a business approach to getting stuff done rather than talking about it. (That was in the speech too.)

    • Gezza

       /  1st February 2017

      That’s a very insightful article imo, Alan.

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  1st February 2017

    Cuts both ways. Now that Obama is no longer favouring Muslim immigrants Syrians are converting to Christianity.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/31/muslims-migrants-converting-christianity-boost-asylum-claim/

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  1st February 2017

      No ones going to click on that link Al, That’s the Trump/Brennan propaganda network,
      RT for the trailer trash nation.

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  1st February 2017

      Meh, look at the source…. Fake news from a hate-speech site.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  1st February 2017

      You two are pathetic. Same news as linked from a different source. Stick to getting your fake news from WaPo and HuffP then:
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/30/muslim-refugees-converting-christianity-find-safety/

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  1st February 2017

      Selfishness is not a very christian reason for turning christian.
      “Some say they converted to benefit from the generous aid distributed by Christian charities, others to help their asylum applications to Europe, the United States, Canada and elsewhere”.
      They’ll drop that like a hot potato when the motive is gone.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  1st February 2017

        Keep the motive alive with pressure on the Muslim addiction and oppression.

        • Anonymous Coward

           /  1st February 2017

          Defeat the terrorists with the christian childrens fund?
          They do say there’s no such thing as a stupid idea, but I dunno. You’d have to keep them Christian without them emigrating.

  1. If no one died because of War – how different would worlds appear to be – Belgian Ecclesia Brussel – Leuven