US discussion – Monday

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  1. blog with eBig

     /  February 6, 2017

    I’m surprised that this didn’t get more media attention:
    https://ebigweb.wordpress.com/2017/02/05/trump-puts-bannon-on-security-council/
    It’s pretty unprecedented that a political appointee would have such high level access.
    Kind of scary knowing Bannon’s connection with Breitbart.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  February 6, 2017

    Bill don’t forget you have a call from Trumps today…

  3. Gezza

     /  February 6, 2017

    The DOTUS’s tantrum continues:

    Just imagine it: What’s wrong with these idiots, Melania? What do they mean I can’t just say “You’re fired”?

    “Oh God. Not tonight dear. I’ve got ANOTHER headache.”

    • Gezza

       /  February 6, 2017

      “But Melania …”

      “I don’t know, dear. I need to have a lie down in a dark room.”

    • lurcher1948

       /  February 6, 2017

      Trumps had a face like thunder his young trophy wife-woman had a wee smile-smirk on her face….he’s gross

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  February 6, 2017

      Trump is such a precious wee snowflake!

  4. Missy

     /  February 6, 2017

    With internet now connected I have been catching up a bit, and came across this story (apologies if it has been posted, I hadn’t notice it).

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/imam-dispute-donald-trump-muslim-ban-detroit-cause-mothers-death-husham-al-hussainy-mike-hager-iraq-a7559016.html

    Seems like the story of the woman who died because of Trump’s suspension of travel from some countries, (or for the more hysterical in the world his ‘Muslim’ ban), was all made up. The woman died a few days earlier than the travel suspension was implemented according to the family’s Imam.

    • Gezza

       /  February 6, 2017

      The Donald can relax about kiwis hating on him for that one. As far as I know it didn’t get a mention here. Unless Katie on 1Ewes had a giggle & I missed it, or The Vance said something & I couldn’t understand it? 😳

      • Missy

         /  February 6, 2017

        It most likely didn’t get a mention there like it didn’t get much of a mention here – it doesn’t fit the narrative they want.

        • Gezza

           /  February 6, 2017

          Evening Missy. Looking gorgeous as always. Well, the fact that it was a false story got reported in the Herald at least, I saw it this morning. So what narrative do you think THEY want?

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  February 6, 2017

      Alan schooled us recently that the Indie’s a Lefty waste of media time … nothing to read into that report Missy…move along now…

      • Missy

         /  February 6, 2017

        Did you actually read the report? Or do you just follow what you are told to think by someone else? Or do you just think there is ‘nothing to read into that report’ because it is inconvenient for you’re views on Trump’s travel suspension?

  5. Pence Defends Trump ‘Speaking His Mind’ on Federal Judge

    It’s generally regarded as very unwise for politicians, especially Presidents, from openly criticising judges and court decisions, especially when those decisions are still before the court.

    But Pence may think it unwise to not openly back his boss in case he ends up on the receiving end.

  6. Appeals Court Rejects Request to Immediately Restore Travel Ban

    A federal appeals court early Sunday rejected a request by the Justice Department to immediately restore President Trump’s targeted travel ban, deepening a legal showdown over his authority to tighten the nation’s borders in the name of protecting Americans from terrorism.

    In the legal back and forth over the travel ban, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco said a reply from the Trump administration was now due on Monday.

    • Gezza

       /  February 6, 2017

      Well, they won the popular vote. Just doing their job. Seem to be doing what Trump did throughout his campaign in many ways. Sufferers of TBS wouldn’t see it that way, of course. One of the symptoms.

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  February 6, 2017

      I somehow suspect Alan that outrage fatigue will ever be an issue.Trump’s too thin-skinned and sensitive about trivia like Saturday Night Live satire and inauguration photos of the empty mall.

      He’s a unique thing – a perpetual-motion outrage generator

      I suspect that the indignation gridlock that’s emerging is just the beginning of a four year long era of outrage.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 6, 2017

        I don’t think that is compatible with human nature, Joe. Of course a minority will maintain it for four years but they will become increasingly isolated as the majority tire of it. That’s assuming Trump doesn’t actually do bad stuff of course. The majority of Americans approve of the immigration restrictions in principle and probably disapprove of the cock-ups in the way they were implemented. I think Trump is smart enough to take that on board for the future, but time will tell.

        • Gezza

           /  February 6, 2017

          The DOTUS’s trouble, Alan, is that he has full-blown chronic TBS.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 6, 2017

            He seems pretty good at selecting people though, G. Now we will see how he can work with them. Time will tell.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  February 6, 2017

    Trumps is idiot scary…. with his finger near the button
    Pence is zealot CHRISTIAN scary…think troops with crosses painted on the front of their uniforms
    USA you are lost in the wilderness but worth a laugh.

    • Gezza

       /  February 6, 2017

      Not unexpected for me, Alan. The Guardian’s quite often got a good, insightful & objective read or two. Did you watch the embedded video?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 6, 2017

        No, I usually avoid videos.

        • Gezza

           /  February 6, 2017

          Oh, sad that. You might’ve found that quite insightful too.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 6, 2017

            I’m usually reading next to someone else who’s sleeping or watching or reading and doesn’t want to be bothered by my audio and I don’t use earphones. Also, I can read a lot faster than people talk as well as being able to skip the boring bits.

            What insight did it have?

            • Gezza

               /  February 6, 2017

              Trump, & one of his new lobbyists, joining the swamp – just at another entrance. You probably miss quite a lot, not watching videos. You can’t see the body language & guilty, grumpy, stunned mullet expressions just reading written pieces.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 6, 2017

              The purpose of not watching them is to miss quite a lot, G. There is an awful lot to miss if you want to get on with life. Body language only tells you about the subject’s emotions at the moment and even then you have to guess at what in the mind is producing them. That interpretation depends on the interpreter and context which is often manipulated, selected or misrepresented. In a political fight both sides are doing it for all they are worth. I tend to discount it and focus on the facts.

            • Gezza

               /  February 6, 2017

              You tend to focus on the facts that support your viewpoint. Facts that don’t, not so much. Fortunately, watching posted videos, & being from the centre – like Lurchy – I have full access to, and use of, a wider range of facts, I suspect.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 6, 2017

              Just because I don’t talk about other facts that anyway everyone else is talking about doesn’t mean they don’t register with me, G.

            • Gezza

               /  February 6, 2017

              Fair enuff. So, have you watched the video now? 😳

            • duperez

               /  February 6, 2017

              I’m sure you didn’t mean an all-encompassing thing that in seeing the words meant you could focus on the facts with facts being facts. You mean the fact that someone had written something?
              I find that sometimes just reading the words is like playing cricket with one eye shut. Visuals add dimensions.
              Having said that, listening to the video clip without watching it, I got to hear the President telling a crowd about a “small group of people reaping the rewards of government.”
              I don’t have to see him say that little bit, they stand without gesture, pure.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 6, 2017

              Nope, G. I relied on you to tell me the important bit. Did you?

            • Gezza

               /  February 6, 2017

              No, Alan. I purposely told you just enough to get a reasonable person with an open mind to watch it.

    • Gezza

       /  February 6, 2017

      They might as well do. He looks like the best of Trump’s four main contenders. Wonder if the DOTUS will still think that when he rules against him on something.

  8. Joe Bloggs

     /  February 6, 2017

    The venerable Grauniad gets it wrong for once in its claim that Trump is a compulsive liar.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/05/donald-trump-lies-belief-totalitarianism

    He’s not. No way.

    Forget his claims that he saw “thousands and thousands” of Muslim Americans cheering 9/11 in Jersey City, Ignore his claim that 81% of whites who are murdered are killed by blacks (the actual number for last year was 15%).

    Trump’s way worse. He’s a bullshit artist.

    A liar lives in a space where the distinction between truth and lies still matter. You can’t lie unless you have a reasonable idea of what the truth is.

    But bullshitters like Trump don’t care what’s true or not, and they erase the very possibility of knowing the truth. Bullshitters are the ultimate post-modernists. Reality is simply what they say. Reality is simply whatever Trump says.

    It’s taken a generation of liars in politics (on both sides of the US political abyss) to make Trump’s descent into outright bullshit acceptable.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 6, 2017

      Don’t listen to what the magician says, watch what he does. The Trump administration should be judged on what it does and that is what most voters will do.

      The rhetoric around it all is political media window-dressing on both sides.

  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 6, 2017

    Bill English gets a Waitangi Day call from Trumpy. Describes it as “warm and thoughtful”. Hope they slagged off Aussie ship designers together.

    • PDB

       /  February 6, 2017

      The stuff reporter mentioned that they didn’t discuss climate change in their 15 minute discussion………..

        • Maybe that needs more scrutiny.

          More fake news in ‘The Mail on Sunday’

          An attack by the ‘The Mail on Sunday’ on the accuracy and integrity of a recent paper on global warming is based on inaccurate and misleading claims, including a fake graph.

          The article by David Rose appears in the 5 February issue of the newspaper under the headline ‘Exposed: How world leaders were duped over global warming’. The article was first published on the newspaper’s website on 4 February.

          The article makes a number of extraordinary claims about a paper by Dr Thomas Karl, a climate scientist formerly employed by the United States National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and colleagues, which was published in June 2015.

          • PDB

             /  February 6, 2017

            Had to search as you didn’t supply a link top your quote – from here http://www.lse.ac.uk/GranthamInstitute/news/more-fake-news-in-the-mail-on-sunday/ so no surprise as to their agenda.

            However they are right in that the graph used in the article is wrong as discussed in the comments here: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/04/bombshell-noaa-whistleblower-says-karl-et-al-pausebuster-paper-was-hyped-broke-procedures/

            The article itself is still valid.

            “Last night Mr Karl admitted the data had not been archived when the paper was published. Asked why he had not waited, he said: ‘John Bates is talking about a formal process that takes a long time.’ He denied he was rushing to get the paper out in time for Paris, saying: ‘There was no discussion about Paris.”

            “Dr Bates revealed that the failure to archive and make available fully documented data not only violated NOAA rules, but also those set down by Science. Before he retired last year, he continued to raise the issue internally. Then came the final bombshell. Dr Bates said: ‘I learned that the computer used to process the software had suffered a complete failure.”

            How convenient……

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 6, 2017

            It looks as though the journalist invented that chart to decorate the story. It’s a silly effort because it doesn’t support his claim that the NOAA data shows a more rapid recent rise even after screwing up the baseline mismatch.

            However, none of that is relevant to the damning criticisms Bates is making. One hopes that with the Trump administration whistleblowing on alarmist skullduggery in the bureaucracy will become both safer and more common. This seems a good first sign.

  10. The legal challenge continues after the decision today to await further information from both sides of the argument. The Supreme Court is not yet involved and the pundits claim that it is evenly balanced 4-4 Democrat leaning to Republican/Conservative leaning and if Trump succeeds with his nomination for Supreme Court the balance will swing to Republican/Conservative, according to the pundits. My feeling is that the Constitution and separation of powers between the Executive, Judicial and Military will be decisive. Everyone will lose if one or another of those branches of Government demands pre-eminence. The person legally elected by the people must be trusted to exercise governance by the people for the people. This is I feel, the crux of the matter.

    • lurcher1948

       /  February 6, 2017

      Even if hes an orange idiot for bring this situation on due to having brain farts without getting skilled legal advice.

    • Gezza

       /  February 6, 2017

      The crux of the matter will be a decision in this case, and I imagine several more to follow, on whether the haphazardly erratic, narcissistic, wilfully intellectually lazy, nepotistic person legally elected by a minority of voters to be their president CAN be trusted to exercise good governance by whose people for which people. 😳