US discussion – Thursday

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  1. Gezza

     /  February 9, 2017

    The DONALD OF THE UNITED STATES Twitter rants so far today:
    ……
    It is a disgrace that my full Cabinet is still not in place, the longest such delay in the history of our country. Obstruction by Democrats!
    ……
    If the U.S. does not win this case as it so obviously should, we can never have the security and safety to which we are entitled. Politics!
    ……
    I will be speaking at 9:00 A.M. today to Police Chiefs and Sheriffs and will be discussing the horrible, dangerous and wrong decision…….
    ……
    My daughter Ivanka has been treated so unfairly by ‪@Nordstrom‬. She is a great person — always pushing me to do the right thing! Terrible!
    ……

    Thur 9 Feb 2017 1600 hours.

    • Gezza

       /  February 9, 2017

      Er … Thur 9 Feb 2017. 0600 hours.

      • Anonymous Coward

         /  February 9, 2017

        So the Christian media can’t see the irony in running a piece about the media, do they somehow exist outside it?. Considering that they also can’t tell the difference between Twitter , Facebook and the Media, I suspect so.

  2. Noel

     /  February 9, 2017

    He doesn’t get it. He’s the President of the USA. A symbol of it’s people.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 9, 2017

      No, he’s a businessman trying to fix stuff. Obama was a symbol.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  February 9, 2017

        And therein lies a problem…or two…or three…

        Trumps business track record is abysmal – what is it? Four bankruptcies? And each time he’s come out by stiffing his creditors and his employees. Bankrupcy’s not an option for the federal government.

        Lack of transparency is another issue. Trump might be able to get away with hiding the nature of his business dealings from the public, but the federal government can’t.

        And unlike a CEO the president has the ability to end life as we know it by pushing the big red nuclear holocaust button. Does Trump have the composure, judgment, restraint and diplomatic skill to be entrusted with the codes? Even you would be hard pressed to support that argument given Trumps performance so far.

        Im sure that we could identify a whole lot more issues as well than just these three

        • Anonymous Coward

           /  February 9, 2017

          Interesting Tidbit…. For quite some years the code was set to 00000000.
          Except maybe it wasn’t, it is a persistent rumour though

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 9, 2017

          I think we’ve discussed before that out of some 500 companies he is connected with 4 failed. Repeating brain-dead Lefty talking points like that does nothing for useful discussion other than to note he is a risk taker and usually wins – if that wasn’t already blindingly obvious.

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  February 9, 2017

            Correction: 6 failed ventures resulting in Ch11
            #1) Trump Taj Mahal (1991) – $3b debt
            #2 and #3) Trump’s Castle and Trump Plaza Casinos (1992) – $550m, and $338m respectively
            #4) Trump Plaza Hotel (1992) – $550m debt
            #5) Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts (2004) – $1.8b debt
            #6) Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009) – $1.2b debt

            all figures USD

            As well, Donald Trump has undertaken a number of business projects that ultimately failed (or failed to live up to his lofty projections) without resulting in bankrupcties, including:

            Trump Steaks
            GoTrump (online travel site)
            Trump Airlines
            Trump Vodka
            Trump Mortgage
            Trump: The Game
            Trump Magazine
            Trump University
            Trump Ice (bottled water)
            The New Jersey Generals (pro football team)
            Tour de Trump (bicycle race)
            Trump Network (nutritional supplements)
            Trumped! (syndicated radio spot)

            And it’s often cited by wonks that Trump has over 500 companies (515 at the last count) but then many of those are only connected to him in tangential ways (e.g., through licensing agreements) and aren’t owned or directly controlled by him.

            So with those sorry stats in mind Alan, would you go to a doctor who lost 6 out of 515 patients?

            Would you fly with a pilot who crashed 5 times in 515 flights?

            Of course you’re not forgetting everyone he’s screwed over at the time:

            Mike D’Antonio, author of the book “Never Enough: Donald Trump and the Pursuit of Success,” said the bankruptcies shouldn’t come with bragging rights.

            “Donald likes to say his bankruptcy filings were just a tool he’s been using for his businesses,” D’Antonio said. “He’s had a string of failures. And you’re not just talking about big investors. You’re also taking about bond holders, not big banks…people who invested their retirements.

            “So, you can call it a legal tool that he’s using, but lots of people have been hurt along the way. It’s been a badge of shame for him.”

            http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-bankruptcy-math-doesn-t-add-n598376

            Like the Atlantic City casino employees who lost millions from their retirement accounts when Hotels & Casino Resorts went under. Trump did OK though:

            Trump himself fared well through the bankruptcy. He kept a $2 million annual salary after the company emerged from bankruptcy and took in more than $44 million in compensation over the course of the 14 years he served as chairman of THCR.

            “I don’t think it’s a failure,” he said of the bankruptcy in 2004. “It’s a success.”

            http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/donald-trump-atlantic-city-bankruptcy

            Nice risk-taking and personal win there for Trumpy

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              Ok, 6 failures, 507 successes or survivals. How many have his critics had? How many investors and staff have done well out of the successes? What is the average failure rate of US businesses?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              Perspective for ignorant Lefties:

              1/3 businesses fail in the first two years
              1/2 businesses fail in the first five years
              2/3 businesses fail in the first ten years

              Starting a successful business is hard and risky. Try it sometime.

          • Jeeves

             /  February 15, 2017

            Yes Alan, but the four which failed did so owing billions. And wilful ignorants like yourself may choose to dumb it all down to your peers’ level of insight by using simplified facts but you can’t hide the Trumpth.

      • But he risks sweating the small stuff too much, and his distractions put the big stuff at greater risk of being stuffed up.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 9, 2017

          If you look at what he does the distractions seem a weapon to confuse his opponents while what he does just rolls along unperturbed.

          Maybe he will have some disasters but no sign of them yet.

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  February 9, 2017

            bwahahaha “maybe he will have some disasters but no sign of them yet”

            Dear Ghods, you need to pay more attention to US politics man! Playing the ostrich simply exposes a big ass.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              I do pay attention to US politics, just not to Lefty histrionics, or yours.

        • lurcher1948

           /  February 9, 2017

          Try using Donald Trump toilet paper
          when you use 3 pieces to wipe your bum it disappears as trump thinks your a democrat
          sorry folks and gezza im not wanted,MODERATED

      • NOEL

         /  February 9, 2017

        The President’s Job
        According to the Constitution
        The US Constitution contains the only official “job description” for the
        President of the United States. According to Article II, Sections 2 and 3, the
        President:
        1) Is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States,
        and of each state’s militia when the nation has need of it
        2) Has power to obtain information and opinions from heads of the
        executive departments
        3) May grant pardons and reprieves for crimes against the United States
        4) Makes treaties with other countries with the approval of the Senate
        5) Appoints ambassadors, federal judges and heads of executive
        departments – all subject to the approval of the Senate; the President
        also has power to fill any vacancies that may happen while the
        Senate is in recess
        6) Must report to Congress from time to time about the state of the union
        and recommend whatever measures he thinks are necessary
        7) May call members of Congress together on extraordinary occasions,
        as well as adjourn their meetings when they cannot agree on their
        own about when to do this
        8) Receives foreign ambassadors and other public officials
        9) Is responsible for enforcing the nation’s laws
        10) Issues commissions to all officers of the United States

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 9, 2017

          11) Tells everyone that he was a great student and has excellent understanding, better than just about anyone

          12) Keeps the hairdye business going by changing the colour of his hair every five minutes

          13) Threatens to stuff the economy not only of the US but the world

          (you forgot some, NOEL)

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 9, 2017

    It amuses me when the Lefties wail that Trump shouldn’t call judges politically biased. So why are they performing like hysterical lunatics in the Senate trying to elect judges politically biased their way? And why is the Supreme Court split 4:4 on many decisions directly between the 4 judges appointed by Democrats and the 4 appointed by Republicans?

    Trump speaks obvious truth and the political/judicial establishment faints in shock. You are not allowed to say that.

  4. Anonymous Coward

     /  February 9, 2017

    Sen. Daylin Leach, D-Montgomery doesn’t think much of Trump’s threat to ruin his career over a bill to require a conviction BEFORE the police seize your assets. (A very big problem in the States, cops have been caught ‘shopping’ in peoples houses, seizing money off travellers, and selling property before it can be returned to fund equipment the state won’t pay for – think APV’s )

    http://www.phillyvoice.com/pennsylvania-senator-trump-come-after-me-you-s-gibbon/

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 9, 2017

      Pretty much shows the mentality of the Dems at present. Trump did not threaten to ruin Leach’s career. His comment was made in a discussion about a bill in another State and was a joke and no individual was mentioned.

      But hey, who needs facts when you are a loony Lefty?

      • Anonymous Coward

         /  February 9, 2017

        My mistake, replace ‘his’ with ‘a’.

      • Gezza

         /  February 9, 2017

        Lucky it’s not a Point Scoring Day. Loony & Lefty being tossed around so much here today you’d be losing points like nobody’s business (L7 – repetition, unjustified). It’s like you’ve lost your vocab & are just relying on bad habit to give you something to post. Straighten up & fly right Al.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 9, 2017

          Come off it, Granddad. Anyone who calls the POTUS a fascist, loofa-faced, shit-gibbon for no good reason is a certified, blue-ribbon loony Lefty.

          Put your teeth back in and your glasses on and check it out.

          • Gezza

             /  February 9, 2017

            I did, Great-Granddad Lord Sir Alan Wilkinson of Russell Rudeness Mansions. He just called him a few silly names. Obviously doesn’t like the beggar. Doesn’t make him a loony lefty. Some of Trump’s own party have been very much less than generous in their descriptions of him. Did you read some of the tweets from people now regret voting for him? Stop all this name calling nonsense. It’s what Oskar does up at Dad’s rest home & he’s senile. And put your spud gun back in your pocket, you’ll hurt yourself.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              I’m not going to sell that IED after all, G. I’ve decided on a new use for it.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              “in Pennsylvania – there is no one who is that liberal, that progressive, that populist” – Leach’s own political strategist. He set his daughter up to ask Clinton a patsy anti-Trump question at her campaign meet. He is explicitly a proud Lefty and his comment on Trump shows him a loony.

            • Gezza

               /  February 9, 2017

              Onelook Dictionary
              Loony
              ▸ noun: someone deranged and possibly dangerous
              ▸ adjective: informal or slang terms for mentally irregular

              No it doesn’t. Certainly no more than so than the subject of his twitter rant, the DOTUS, probably the world’s most famous twitter ranter himself. Ending here because I don’t mind you making yourself look silly, but I don’t want you to drag me into your silliness.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              Oxford English Dictionary:

              ADJECTIVE
              informal
              Mad or silly: ‘loony drivers’

              You lose.

            • Gezza

               /  February 9, 2017

              I can find as many different definitions of loony as you can. It’s still fundamentally short for lunatic, which means mad or insane. Refer to the last sentence of my previous comment, which, given your further subsequent comments, means I was right. I’m only posting to point that out, and to inform you that I therefore win. 💪

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              It’s derived from lunatic but has generated it’s own distinct meaning and usage as even you should know. You are still lost.

            • Gezza

               /  February 9, 2017

              You are carrying on like a 10 year old or someone grumpily senile arguing ad nauseum for the right to call some people by a childish name. You realise that eh? Ask your Mrs.

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 9, 2017

    More bad news for the Lefty MSM: the public think Trump’s executive is more truthful than the media:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/318514-trump-admin-seen-as-more-truthful-than-news-media-poll

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  February 9, 2017

      “The Emerson poll found that 69 percent of Democrats think the news media is truthful while 91 percent of Republicans consider the Fourth Estate untruthful.”

      The poll also shows why you would take glee from it. (it’s stroking your confirmation gland)

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 9, 2017

        How did you know I was grinning?

        • Anonymous Coward

           /  February 9, 2017

          Cos you’ve got your two biggest bugbears on the end of your pitchfork – The loony left, and the dishonest MSM.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 9, 2017

            Winners are grinners.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 9, 2017

              Nice to see you grinning for a change, it’s an increasingly rare sight these days.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              Not at all. My wife often asks what I am cackling about.

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  February 9, 2017

      “The administration is considered truthful by 49 percent of registered voters and untruthful by 48 percent.”

      49 to 48 is hardly an overwhelming statistic, if I were to put a figure like that to you you would brush it aside and say it’s meaningless as the difference is within the margin of error.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 9, 2017

        Wrong comparison. 49% of registered voters think the administration is truthful but only 39% think the media is truthful. That difference is not likely to be within the margin of error.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 9, 2017

      Sometimes truth hurts. Judges are no more immune to the truth than anyone else.

  6. Zedd

     /  February 9, 2017

    Methinks Mr. T will get tired of the bureaucracy (of being in Govt.) before the year is out ??

    He still sounds like ‘King Donald of USA’.. at least in his strange ‘reality’ ! 🙂 😀

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 9, 2017

      He will get tired of being blocked and stalled if that eventuates. But I don’t think he will get tired of fighting his political opponents. I think he finds that exhilarating.

      • Anonymous Coward

         /  February 9, 2017

        If he goes the way of Mugabe he’s got 23 good years in him as Dictator.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 9, 2017

          Mugabe is utterly horrific, but of course he was a Lefty.

          • Anonymous Coward

             /  February 9, 2017

            All dictators are horrific Al, I was only talking of his age.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 9, 2017

              My guess is that he will lose his temper when he discovers that he can’t have it all his own way and stamp out of the White House*. His pettiness is pathetic. He can’t get over even the smallest imaginary slight.

              *unless he’s sacked first

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 9, 2017

              Or has a stroke or heart attack from uncontrollable rage.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              I think he has survived the biggest imaginary slights, Kitty. Hard to think of anyone who’s had the same level of abuse over the past 18 months.

              Maybe Assad, but he’s only bombed and killed millions of his own people so he’s almost a saint in comparison apparently.

            • Gezza

               /  February 9, 2017

              Jeb Bush? Cruz? Rubio? Clinton?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              Clinton comes closest but only half as much as Trump has endured as measured by Google. [Eg: search “Trump is evil”, “Clinton is evil”]

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 9, 2017

              If you search those terms and then click the video tab (cos face it, that’s the medium of choice for the crackpots that say stuff like “Trump is evil”)
              Results 20 600 evil Hillary videos and 7 410 evil trump videos.

            • Gezza

               /  February 9, 2017

              FFS Alan – call yourself a scientist? You pick one bloody word as your sole bleeding variable?! Go and see if your Mrs would like an early night & a snuggle.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 9, 2017

              Compare and contrast image search as well, Clinton is all text filled memes, Trump is just pictures of Trump.

              Neither terms have enough data for google trends, but Crooked Hillary was there as a related search for Hillary Rodham Clinton. No comparative term with Trump

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 9, 2017

              https://ssl.gstatic.com/trends_nrtr/925_RC01/embed_loader.js trends.embed.renderExploreWidget(“TIMESERIES”, {“comparisonItem”:[{“keyword”:”crooked hillary clinton”,”geo”:””,”time”:”all_2008″},{“keyword”:”crooked Donald Trump”,”geo”:””,”time”:”all_2008″}],”category”:0,”property”:”images”}, {“exploreQuery”:”date=all_2008&gprop=images&q=crooked%20hillary%20clinton,crooked%20Donald%20Trump”,”guestPath”:”https://www.google.co.nz:443/trends/embed/”});

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              @AC, you are wrong
              All => Hillary 17.8M, Trump 51.5M;
              News => Hillary 311K, Trump 6980K;
              Videos => Hillary 596K , Trump 2390K

              @G, pick your own words and disprove it then. Show us the record of you get on.
              Eg: x is bad => Hillary 57.6M, Trump 190M.
              x is a fool => Hillary 1.1M, Trump 25.3M

              A good scientist chooses the right experiment to ask the right question.
              Or you could just admit I am right again and go to bed.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 9, 2017

              How can figures I pasted from Google be wrong Al? Were they the same search? “Trump is evil” with quotation marks.

              The fact that you get so many more Evil Hillary results than me say’s more about your google search habits than it does about my wrongness.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              @AC, so you are showing more people had to search for Hillary insults than had to search for Trump insults which supports the findings that Trump insults were more prevalent.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              @AC, I didn’t use quotes. I didn’t want to restrict to the exact phrase but pick up more general attacks including the word.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 9, 2017

              That’s not how google trends works. If more people search something it’s more of a thing.
              I re did those searches, the video numbers are exactly the same. The only way I can get the sort of figures you get is by not using quotes. What that does is makes the search for all pages that say Hillary + all the pages that say Evil. Quotes search for the exact phrase match.
              For clinton the search should probably be “Hillary is evil” – Bill.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              I just ran an advanced search as a check and “Hillary is evil” without the quotes returns the same result counts as advanced search “Hillary evil” . So it doesn’t include pages which contain Hillary but not evil or vice versa.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              Oops – WordPress deleted my (all these words) annotation to the advanced search term.

            • Gezza

               /  February 9, 2017

              @ Al. Why even bother with google searches for comparisons? They’re not accurate for Clinton anyway. You forget the relentless allegations by Trump – Hillary’s a liar, She’s crooked, etc, Months & months of it – rally after rally, on Youtube, tweet after tweet on the themes of her sins, including criminality – ‘You’d be in prison’.

              Plus those of his TBS-suffering supporters spreading it even further, including high profile butt-crawlers like Lawn Order Giuliani. He sowed the wind, now he reaps the whirlwind. C’est la vie. Suck it up.

              http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/09/13/hillary-google-bias-confirmed-experiment/

            • patupaiarehe

               /  February 9, 2017

            • patupaiarehe

               /  February 9, 2017

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 9, 2017

    Sessions is confirmed as Attorney-General. Trump wins again.

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  February 9, 2017

      There’s over 6000 jobs to fill Al, you’re not going to do this every time are you?
      That the halls of power are still largely empty doesn’t make him a winner.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 9, 2017

        Winners are still grinners, AC. But I’ll go easy on the Lefties and only celebrate the ones they hate most.

        • Anonymous Coward

           /  February 9, 2017

          Your overwhelming need to score points over the ‘left’ has you celebrating the appointment of bureaucrats. Are you feeling OK?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 9, 2017

            Good point, AC. But I’ll enjoy it anyway.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 9, 2017

              The upside is that most of the bureaucrats he is appointing are the ones that the other bureaucrats hate the most.

            • Gezza

               /  February 9, 2017

              It’s not surprising – look at unholy mess a few of them have made that everyone has had to clean up after.