US discussion – Sunday

If there’s news or issues from the USA worth discussing today you can do it here.

31 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  February 12, 2017

    The DONALD OF THE UNITED STATES Twitter rants so far today:
    ……
    Our legal system is broken! “77% of refugees allowed into U.S. since travel reprieve hail from seven suspect countries.” (WT) SO DANGEROUS
    ……
    I am reading that the great border WALL will cost more than the government originally thought, but I have not gotten involved in the…..
    ……
    …design or negotiations yet. When I do, just like with the F-35 FighterJet or the Air Force One Program, price will come WAY DOWN!
    ……
    Melania and I are hosting Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Mrs. Abe at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Fla. They are a wonderful couple!

    (How embarrassing for them … they’ll constantly be hearing how amazing he is, beautiful, terrific, & never be able get a word in edgeways. Imagine the poor translator “I so sorry, I no know what ‘biggly’ mean’ 🤓. Just saying)
    ……
    More tweets may be found here: https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
    ……
    Sunday 12 Feb 2017. 0600 hours

    • Nelly Smickers

       /  February 12, 2017

      This transgender Iraqi woman says that *her dreams were shattered* when President Trump signed the Immigration Executive Order…..

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 12, 2017

        Probably intended to shatter a few other people’s dreams, Nelly.

      • Blazer

         /  February 12, 2017

        clearly very poor photo shop.

        • Anonymous Coward

           /  February 12, 2017

          • Nelly Smickers

             /  February 12, 2017

            Not sure how this escaped *Blazer’s* sharp wit, AC…..but, ‘clearly very poor photo shop’. LOL ❗

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 12, 2017

              No, it’s from a swag of photo’s found in a photography studio after the Afghan war. It looks photoshop but it’s old school hand coloured photo.
              If you can find the book it’s hilarious.

  2. Gezza

     /  February 12, 2017

    Is there a double standard here?

    “President Donald Trump’s South Florida estate is no longer just the place where he goes to escape.

    He has described the sprawling Mar-a-Lago property as the Winter White House and has spent two weekends there this month. But it’s also become a magnet for anti-Trump protesters and the subject of an ethics debate over his invitation to Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to join him this weekend – with Trump pledging to pay for the accommodations.
    ……
    White House spokesman Sean Spicer said Abe’s free-of-charge stay at Mar-a-Lago is Trump’s gift to Abe this time around. But the gesture wasn’t sitting well with government watchdog groups.

    Robert Weissman, president of Public Citizen, said Trump and Abe don’t need to meet at Trump’s commercial property, where the membership fee recently was doubled to US$200,000 (NZ$277,740).
    ……
    “Hosting a foreign leader at the president’s business resort creates impossible sets of conflicts,” Weissman said. “If the president hadn’t offered to pay, the US government would be paying Donald Trump’s business for the purpose of hosting the Japanese leader.” Typically, the US government would pick up the costs associated with such a visit. Weissman said Camp David, the US government-owned retreat in Maryland’s Catoctin Mountains, which presidents use for personal getaways as well as to conduct the people’s business, would do fine.

    “Why should you go to a resort in Florida?” Weissman asked. “Fine, you want to go to a resort in Florida? Don’t go to one Trump’s family owns.”
    ……
    BUT

    Presidents through the years often escaped the majesty and protocol of the White House by choosing less formal settings for bilateral talks.
    “It’s difficult, in effect, to get away inside the White House with the press corps in the same building,” said Bruce Buchanan, politics professor at the University of Texas at Austin. “In fact, it’s very desirable for presidents to have multiple venues within which to build and create relationships with other world leaders.”

    President George W. Bush took advantage of his dusty ranch in Crawford, Texas, and regularly invited foreign counterparts there for talks.

    Obama opted for Sunnylands, an estate in the California desert formerly owned by Walter and Leonore Annenberg. The late philanthropists built Sunnylands and long hoped the property they used as a winter home would become the “Camp David of the West.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/89317032/donald-trumps-maralago-resort-raises-ethics-questions-sparks-protests

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 12, 2017
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 12, 2017

      Oops, best use this link: https://t.co/FFPnKl1aTL

      • Gezza

         /  February 12, 2017

        I wonder if the writers are lawyers. Do you know? The Supreme Court will fix it if they’re right. Meantime the extreme vetting will mitigate the threat, although Mad Dog & the DOTUS ramped it up a tad killing 30 innocent collateral damages I expect.

        Alga reported shortly after that debacle that the legitimate government of Yemen has banned the US military from any further ground operations because their Special Forces aren’t supposed to kill innocent civilians – which goverments like Iraq’s & Afghanistan’s might brush off as just an unfortunate habit, but obviously they won’t.

        Plus they probably don’t want any more blown up $75m V-22s junking up the place.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 12, 2017

          Messrs. Rivkin and Casey practice constitutional and appellate law in Washington and served in the White House Counsel’s Office and U.S. Justice Department during the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations.

          • Gezza

             /  February 12, 2017

            Thanks Alan. Roll on the Supreme Court appeal decision. Let’s see how they fare.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 12, 2017

              I don’t see any urgency to get to the SC until Gorsuch is appointed so I would expect either to go to the substantive hearing on the present Order or replace it with a new Order clarifying some points and start afresh.

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2017

              Trump was shown being interviewed in the doorwell of a moving train (I assume headed towards Florida) on a couple of matters on Aljaz early this morning. One of the subjects was the visa ban order. He was saying that he was considering issuing new orders on Monday or Tuesday & telling the reporter(s) to wait until then.

              The FLOTUS was standing beside him the whole time looking very beautiful, but she said nothing & looked a bit like she might have been told to stand there and do that. Just saying.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 12, 2017

              Trumpy looking to play Japan off against China I suspect.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  February 12, 2017

        Alan, your Wall Street Journal link needs to be read with caution. It seems there’s an alt-right Breitbart-effect that is factoring itself into the WSJ reportage:

        The Wall Street Journal’s editorial features editor has left the paper following tensions over the section drifting in a pro-Donald Trump direction.

        News of the departure of Mark Lasswell, who edited op-eds for the Journal, comes as the paper’s internal tensions over Trump have begun to spill into public view. The reliably hawkish, pro-trade, small government conservative Journal op-ed page has been challenged by the rise of the populist, nationalist Trump movement. The Journal’s opinion pages have been a showcase for the intra-right divide over Trump, featuring Trump-sympathetic writers like Bill McGurn alongside anti-Trump columnists such as Bret Stephens. Lasswell appears to be a casualty of that divide, and his dismissal a victory for the pro-Trump faction on the editorial staff.

        https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/conflict-over-trump-forces-out-an-opinion-editor-at-the-wall-street-journal/516318/

        What you see as a damning review of the Appeal Court decision, can also be seen as a bloviation by two commentators who are far to the right of mainstream legal advocates, and a sycophantic bloviation that is consistent with the alt-right stance the WSJ is taking.

        Rivkin and Casey have raised issues of federal & judicial aggrandizement as dangers to the vertical separation of powers in the U.S. Constitution & they’ve proposed a limited constitutional convention to limit the incursion of federal & judicial powers into the powers of the states.

        Rivkin regularly speaks out against the Justice Department’s handling of terrorist suspects, arguing that “trying them in federal civilian court is a mistake on many levels”. And he was a lead counsel in attempts to destroy the Affordable Care Act and deny Americans government assisted healthcare.

        They don’t stand for ‘the common good’

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 12, 2017

          The WSJ was fanatically anti-Trump along with NYT and WaPo. The first two have somewhat readjusted post-election. WaPo has not and feeds its river of bile to the Herald daily.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  February 12, 2017

    Dear Trump,a message for you…

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 12, 2017

    WaPo on cost of Trump’s wall “blows budget” at $22B:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11799218

    Actually that is only two thirds of the cost I previously noted and considered how it could easily be funded: https://yournz.org/2017/01/26/the-mexico-wall/#comment-159620

    I expect despite Trump’s comment if it is built as speculated then it will cost much closer to $30B than $20B.

  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 12, 2017

    Trump will also get a chance to redirect the Federal Reserve towards deregulation with three appointments pending:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/international-politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503226&objectid=11798821

  7. Anonymous Coward

     /  February 12, 2017
  8. lurcher1948

     /  February 12, 2017

    Donald Trump theres an ARAB american shrill called judge jeanine whos on FOX shes a lebanese you know an arab from the muslim world, DEPORT HER,danger danger

  9. Nelly Smickers

     /  February 12, 2017

    I retweeted my post here from yesterday to *@Edward Snowden*, about the rumor “that Russia may be thinking of returning him to the US in order to curry favor” 😡

    Eddie has responded: