Quoting Trump

It’s hard to get away from Donald Trump’s media confrontation. Vox: 9 things it’s hard to believe the president of the United States actually just said

On leaks and ‘fake news’:

Question: I just want to get you to clarify this very important point. Can you say definitively that nobody on your campaign had any contacts with the Russians during the campaign? And on the leaks, is it fake news or are these real leaks?

Trump: Well, the leaks are real. You’re the one that wrote about them and reported them; I mean, the leaks are real. You know what they said, you saw it, and the leaks are absolutely real. The news is fake because so much of the news is fake.

So one thing that I felt it was very important to do — and I hope we can correct it. Because there’s nobody I have more respect for — well, maybe a little bit but the reporters, good reporters.

That’s typically bizarre – the leaks are real but reporting them is fake.

Just rambling on about ‘fake news’:

Trump: I don’t mind bad stories. I can handle a bad story better than anybody as long as it’s true and, you know, over a course of time, I’ll make mistakes and you’ll write badly, and I’m okay with that. But I’m not okay when it is fake …

I mean, you have a lower approval rate than Congress. I think that’s right. I don’t know, Peter (ph), is that one right? Because you know I think they have lower — I heard lower than Congress. But honestly, the public would appreciate it, I’d appreciate it — again, I don’t mind bad stories when it’s true but we have an administration where the Democrats are making it very difficult.

Against CNN:

Trump: I mean, I watch CNN, it’s so much anger and hatred, and just the hatred. I don’t watch it anymore because it’s not very good. … I think it should be straight. I think it should be — I think it would be frankly more interesting. I know how good everybody’s ratings are right now, but I think that actually — I think that’d actually be better.

I don’t watch it any more because it’s very good — he’s saying no. It’s OK, Jim. It’s OK, Jim, you’ll have your chance. But I watch others too. You’re not the only one so don’t feel badly. But I think it should be straight. I think it should be — I think it would be frankly more interesting.

Perhaps Trump could try talking about important, interesting issues rather than moan about negative press, that they then report on.

On not talking about military stuff:

Trump: I’m not going to tell you anything about what I’m going to do. I’m not going to talk about military stuff. I will not say, “We are going to attack Mosul in four months. We are going to attack in one month. Next week, we are going to attack Mosul.”

In the meantime, Mosul is very, very difficult — you know why? I don’t talk about military and certain other things. You were going to be surprised to hear that, by the way, my whole campaign I said that. I don’t have to tell you.

Back to ‘fake news’ and confidence in the media:

Reporter: When you call it “fake news,” you’re undermining confidence in our news media …

Trump: No, no. I do that. Here’s the thing. OK. I understand what you’re — and you’re right about that, except this. See, I know when I should get good and when I should get bad. And sometimes I’ll say, “Wow, that’s going to be a great story.” And I’ll get killed.

I know what’s good and bad. I’d be a pretty good reporter, not as good as you. But I know what’s good. I know what’s bad. And when they change it and make it really bad, something that should be positive — sometimes something that should be very positive, they’ll make OK. They’ll even make it negative.

So I understand it. So, because I’m there. I know what was said. I know who’s saying it. I’m there. So it’s very important to me.

Look, I want to see an honest press. When I started off today by saying that it’s so important to the public to get an honest press. The press — the public doesn’t believe you people anymore. Now, maybe I had something to do with that. I don’t know. But they don’t believe you. If you were straight and really told it like it is, as Howard Cosell used to say, right?

Ranting and raving about not ranting and raving:

TRUMP: I won with news conferences and probably speeches. I certainly didn’t win by people listening to you people. That’s for sure. But I’m having a good time.

Tomorrow, they will say, “Donald Trump rants and raves at the press.” I’m not ranting and raving. I’m just telling you. You know, you’re dishonest people. But — but I’m not ranting and raving. I love this. I’m having a good time doing it.

But tomorrow, the headlines are going to be, “Donald Trump rants and raves.” I’m not ranting and raving.

On Russia, Hillary Clinton and uranium:

Trump: By the way, it would be great if we could get along with Russia. Just so you understand that. Tomorrow, you will say “Donald Trump wants to get along with Russia; this is terrible.” It is not terrible.

It is good. We had Hillary Clinton try to do a reset. We had Hillary Clinton give Russia 20% of the uranium in our country. You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things.

But nobody talks about that. I did not do anything for Russia. I’ve done nothing for Russia. Hillary Clinton gave them 20% of our uranium. Hillary Clinton did a reset, remember with the stupid plastic button that made us all look like a bunch of jerks?

A nuclear holocaust would be bad.

Trump: I can tell you one thing about a briefing that we’re allowed to say because anybody that ever read the most basic book can say it: Nuclear holocaust would be like no other. They’re a very powerful nuclear country, and so are we.

If Russia and the United States actually got together and got along — and don’t forget, we’re a very powerful nuclear country and so are they. There’s no upside. We’re a very powerful nuclear country and so are they. I have been briefed. And I can tell you one thing about a briefing that we’re allowed to say because anybody that ever read the most basic book can say it, nuclear holocaust would be like no other.

They’re a very powerful nuclear country and so are we. If we have a good relationship with Russia, believe me, that’s a good thing, not a bad thing.

Is Trump really this stupid? Or is he being deliberately stupid to play to the media? Or playing to a stupid audience?

82 Comments

  1. Joe Bloggs

     /  February 17, 2017

    The guy’s a con artist and he’s sucked plenty in with his blathering. Now the cracks are starting to show.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 17, 2017

      That would be a dangerous act to do, I think. I believe that he is simply an egomaniac who is totally out of his depth and won’t admit it. The cracks are showing indeed !

  2. Try to get over it. // He is thinking of two or more things at a time . // Big deal.// Bush was vurtually illiterate // America will be great again. // Death to liberal free speech fascism, and welcome Conservative reality .

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  February 17, 2017

      Death to free speech? Yeah I can really see that flying…

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 17, 2017

        Vurtually illiterate ?

      • I am not sure who the author of the statement made as part of this blog. but I consider it to lack authenticity, balance and any basis in truth. It is a rant and unbelievable as well. I could take it apart word by word but know that I will be subject to criticism just as illogical as the starting article is. Get ir sorted,

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  February 17, 2017

      So is Conservative Reality where you just tow the line and leave your free thoughts behind?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 17, 2017

        Toe the line. But this is Alternative Reality….

        He’s rambling, he sounds drunk or stoned.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  February 17, 2017

        AC – From what i can see the only attacks on free speech seem to be coming form the liberal left and Democrat side.
        Which left wing speakers have been subjected to the vitriol of protest – specifically to prevent him speaking – to the level of Milo?
        How does the Israeli ambassador get shouted down continuously at Columbia University while the President of Iran gets a free ride when he speaks?
        Which left wingers have been punched in the head while giving interviews on TV only to have the press debate whether it was appropriate – instead of condemning. and have ex Dem politicians tweet about how funny the punch is set to music etc.

        Trump has hired people who disagree with him on a number of issues to high cabinet positions and is happy to have them speak their mind.

        Trump’s issue is with the tone and slant of the media, but no-one is actively stopping them carrying on with the hissy fit they started on 11 November.

        Careful about the narrative you are running about free speech as it is being threatened for sure, but not by the right.

  3. “”By the way, it would be great if we could get along with Russia. Just so you understand that. Tomorrow, you will say “Donald Trump wants to get along with Russia; this is terrible.” It is not terrible.””
    Lets see if trump starts any wars shall we. NO he will not . Isn’t that awful Joe. .

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  February 17, 2017

      The ballistic missiles are already flying all around the world, and the USS Don’t Fuck With Me is sailing into disputed waters. It’s only a matter of time. and who – but not wether.

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 17, 2017

    The more the media nitpick his style the more they miss his emotional messaging.

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  February 17, 2017

      Do you mean how he looks wounded by the bad lies the media tells?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 17, 2017

        He diffuses his critics by making them lose their message via diverting them into issuing a barrage of irrelevancy much of which is seen as over the top and unfair.

        • Anonymous Coward

           /  February 17, 2017

          How is that ’emotional’?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 17, 2017

            “much of which is seen as over the top and unfair”

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              but that’s the critics you were describing there, not El Cheezle.
              His emotional range is limited to smugness and tantrum, he’s not a complicated man.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              You are completely confusing his methods with his tactics. That the former appears simple doesn’t mean the latter is.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              The whole man seems simple. His gravitas comes purely from being used to getting his way, when he’s been crossed and denied what he wants he looks very vulnerable. Have you seen the documentary “You’ve been Trumped” about the construction of his golf course in Scotland and how a few people steadfastly refused to bow to him? He doesn’t always look strong in that.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              A smart person makes complicated things seem simple and a stupid one makes simple things seem complicated.

              Reminds me of the old question of how far ahead a chess player needs to see. The answer: one move. (But it has to be the best one.)

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              It’s very clear that Trump is neither a smart man or a chess player then.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              Simple things that are now complicated: a non exhaustive list.

              Is the news fake.
              Getting the white house staffed.
              Getting an answer at a press conference.
              Accepting that when the President states a fact that it is accurate.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              He’s a golfer with a pretty good handicap and got elected POTUS so most of his critics are certainly a lot less smart.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              How do either of those things make someone inherently smarter than nearly everyone else?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              @AC, you forgot the important one: Is the media trusted?

            • Generally the media isn’t widely trusted, but many people do trust media even when publish and broadcast nonsense. False news sometimes in error, but sometimes, increasingly, deliberately.

              A healthy democracy relies on having a strong and honest media, but both the media and democracy in the US are severely compromised.

              Trump may eventually force change for the better but that is likely to be in reaction to his blatant lying (repeating false information after proven false must be deliberate lying) and his over the top attacks on anyone he doesn’t like criticising him.

              It’s possible better may emerge from a growing mess, but it’s likely to get worse first.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              Without looking into it, I have to wonder if his handicap is recognised on the golf courses he doesn’t own – I suspect not.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              By adding to my list you’re backing up my point that he’s a stupid man.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              Anyone who thinks that is definitely stupid, AC.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              Are you calling me stupid?
              You always default to name calling and ad hominem Al, what deep insecurity are you masking? It is not how grown ups behave.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              If the cap fits, wear it, AC.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              You’d better hold on to that cap Al, You’ll want it when it gets colder cos I’ve just taken your scalp.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              I’ve got a cap, thanks, AC. No scars under it either so you’re fantasising. Do you really think Trump is stupid then? I just want to confirm your status.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              Following the logic of your smart man/stupid man theory only leads to one conclusion. Can you not follow your own logic? I just want to confirm your status.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              I see you’ve just conceded in another thread that he’s not quite the full quid. All Good.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              Nothing about the full quid, AC. Just that his style is not the establishment style.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              You’ll have to check with G what exactly he meant by ‘a bit limited’, in the context I believe he was talking in terms of intelligence.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              I gave G the benefit of any doubt there, AC, because I don’t think he is entirely stupid. However, if I am wrong on that I withdraw my assent.

            • Gezza

               /  February 17, 2017

              It was a cunningly crafted phrase intended to garner approval from people in both camps AC.

        • Gezza

           /  February 17, 2017

          Alan likes this because Alan employs this strategy all the time. Alan thinks it’s a Trump strategy because if it isn’t it means Trump’s an idiot. Which would mean Alan is wrong. Which is not acceptable to Alan, because that can’t be right.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 17, 2017

            Partly correct, G.

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  February 17, 2017

            Spot on, G.

          • Anonymous Coward

             /  February 17, 2017

            It’s more than a strategy though G, it’s emotional.

            • Gezza

               /  February 17, 2017

              Well, he’s just damn lucky it’s too late for me to declare it a Scoring Day because his input’s mostly Ls from what I’ve seen so far. It’s unfair for him not to have been notified of an SD at the start so he wouldn’t have got himself into the mess he’s making, so, no Scoring Day today. But he needs to sharpen up.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              I don’t think you should call them, the prior notice will affect performance.

            • Gezza

               /  February 17, 2017

              Good point.

            • Gezza

               /  February 17, 2017

              I’ll consider any other submissions on this point at day’s end, & make a decision on whether an amendment to the rules is justified.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 17, 2017

              and if I knew it was a scoring day nothing would get done

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              Only good players are lucky, G. I’ve told you that before.

            • Pete Kane

               /  February 17, 2017

              Up to you G, I think these boys could benefit from a little Cromwellian steel. (They’ll thank you for it later.) Esp any diminutive and/or opinionated ones from the dissident North.

            • Gezza

               /  February 17, 2017

              Well, depending submissions recieved today you might turn to be unlucky today Al.

              Is it still raining up there? The LF still managed to find something that needed washing so she did that & hung it out before she toddled off – & sure enough it’s now raining heavily. She’s scored 5/5 for this feat now.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              Rain has stopped and it’s sunny now. Grass is growing about 25mm per day. Rain gauge has about another 50mm in it and we are forecast to get some showers for the next few days so pretty sure the drought is well and truly over now.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 17, 2017

              I had 39mm total in my rain gauge & the grass is growing like a speeded-up nature film, damn it, As I only have a hand mower just now, this is a very unwelcome sight. It stopped raining this morning,, and we had a little bit about an hour ago. The sun is making the place steam. February should be renamed Humidary.

              I once saw a news item about a SI drought where the reporter thought that x ml of rain meant so many teaspoonfuls. She waved a teaspoon around and said ‘That’s ( ) of these since ( )’

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              I hope she put it in her mouth then, Kitty?

    • Kevin

       /  February 18, 2017

      And if they were listening to his message they’d know he was saying two things:

      1. We can’t talk about military stuff to the media because we don’t want the enemy to know what we’re going to do.
      2. Better to be friends with Russia than enemies as both of us have nukes.

  5. Looking at all of the comments, it is clear to me that the majority do not accept that good relations between Russia and the US would be a good thing. That is what Trump asked the journalist, yet so many criticise him for even saying that. Is it not better for the two countries to get along with each other? If not, why not?

    • Pete Kane

       /  February 17, 2017

      I would see as a very positive advancement, particularly in light of both Brexit and the forth coming elections in Western Europe.

    • You’re wasting your breath on some here BJ. There is nothing wrong with wanting to fix education, health, provide jobs and support US businesses. There’s nothing wrong in fostering relationships with people in the world who want a peaceful accord. There’s nothing wrong with protecting yourself against tens of millions of illegal aliens and potential source countries of terrorists. There’s nothing wrong with a President being WYSIWYG, putting hairspray on your hair or having smaller hands than normal. There’s nothing wrong with having a beautiful wife and daughter and them smiling at foreign leaders.

      What’s wrong is attempting to highlight that the liberal press who predicted 98.4% chance Hillary would win, cried when she didn’t and gave Obama a free pass are part of the swamp needing to be drained.

      • I believe in stating my views Traveller regardless of the slanted comments of others. I might have a slant too but I do try to be factual and evaluate the question under scrutiny rather than emotional claptrap.

      • As is my want, I’d like to diverge a little and bring up the largely deferential and comparative free pass given to Cool Dude Barry Obama. He made some spectacular gaffes himself, but if they’re ever talked about it’s just part of his coolness.

        Explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters – the sweet but dumb, disillusioned peeps they are – “It’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” That sentence sums up what all Liberals think of the grubby, blue collar, non-college members of their society.

        “In an exit interview with Rolling Stone, Obama noted that marijuana should be treated like alcohol and tobacco, but in his eight years as president he has made little effort to decriminalize the substance. Nonetheless, his loyalists propagate the comments as though vocalizing this stance is sufficiently praise-worthy in itself. Articles that appeared in Esquire and Inverse attributed Obama’s comments to him being a “Cool Dad.” “Obama, the Cool Dad President,” is the mantra the Obama Administration is desperately trying to convey in the president’s last few weeks in the White House.

        “President Obama Just Released the Ultimate Cool Dad Workout Playlist,” read a Time magazine headline from October. “Watch Cool Dad President Obama Dance to Drake’s ‘Hotline Bling’ With Usher and Janelle Monae,” read another October Time magazine headline. “He’s not a regular dad, he’s a cool dad,” noted the tagline to the article. “Obama Continues to be a Cool Dad, names his favorite rappers, including Kendrick Lamar, Chance the Rapper,” read a New York Daily News headline from October. “Obama’s Dad Dance Moves Made a Glorious Return Last Night,” read a Vanity Fair headline from November. ”

        Virtually the entire media treated Obama as a cult leader. He was an excellent and inspiring orator, but he had little substance, was absolutely no reformer, rather more of a golfing, running, playlist for my girls kind of hipster.

        “I think what has to be recognized is there are millions of working people in this country who are in an enormous amount of pain and despair,” said Sen. Bernie Sanders in a recent interview with Rolling Stone. “These are 60-year-old workers, today, half of whom have nothing in the bank as they are approaching retirement. You’re 60 years old and you’ve got nothing in the bank? You’re going to live on $13,000 a year of Social Security? This is what you have to look forward to?”

        When it comes to holding Obama accountable on his failures, shortcomings, and continued inaction on important issues, the mainstream media is stuck in a happy, celebrity bubble. From Obama’s recent delayed and insufficient action on the Dakota Access Pipeline, to disastrous interventionist foreign policies and corporate socialism under his administration, Obama continues to be treated as an hero, and not an elected official who fell short on delivering many of the promises of hope and change his populist presidential campaign made.”

        http://observer.com/2016/12/obamas-cool-dad-persona-provides-free-pass-for-accountability/

        http://ijr.com/2015/10/442600-if-you-think-the-media-gives-president-obama-a-free-pass-take-a-look-at-this-clip/

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 17, 2017

          Good insight, Trav. The establishment was very happy with Obama who kept the natives happy while not disturbing their own privileges in any way.

      • Gezza

         /  February 17, 2017

        “Virtually the entire media treated Obama as a cult leader. He was an excellent and inspiring orator, but he had little substance, was absolutely no reformer, rather more of a golfing, running, playlist for my girls kind of hipster.”

        I wouldn’t really argue with any of what you say above there trav. Foreign policy was a mess. I even heard reports Kerry was irritated with him over the lines he had run with the Syria debacle, while The Vladimir was running rings around them there & in Turkey. Towards the end of Obama’s tenure, I think everybody just pretty much switched off when he gave speeches – mind you, seems like whatever he tried to do – like some sensible proposals in the area of gun control – was nobbled by Obama-hating Republicans for the simple reason that they hated Obama.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 17, 2017

          I have never heard of him as a cult leader-who were the cult members ?

          It was a surprise to read that DT meant that US LEADERS had been killers. I took it that he meant the people, which, in a land with their lax gun control is inevitable. It seemed an odd and pointless remark, and irrelevant in the context, but that is par for the course for him.

          • What would the death toll as a result of and according to the military intervention and orders of successive US presidents do you think Kitty?

            How many millions?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 17, 2017

              I have no idea. But that was side-stepping the question and doesn’t make Putin all right. It’s an old dodge to do this-look at Y, they do it too, as if that makes X’s actions better.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 17, 2017

              That doesn’t make Obama the leader of a cult, does it ?

  6. David

     /  February 17, 2017

    “Perhaps Trump could try talking about important, interesting issues rather than moan about negative press, that they then report on.”

    That’s what most of the other Republican candidates for the last decade have tried. Look how that turned out.

  7. Yes, the Republican Candidate won and is the new President. The Democrats lost because they believed their own manufactured news. That is what is driving Trump who is expert at psychological operations and laying the groundwork for successful deals. Those who label him as stupid and uneducated, are fooling themselves. The truth IS out there!

    • As blmarsh1 abovenotes. “The Democrats lost because they believed their own manufactured news.”

      • Gezza

         /  February 17, 2017

        Didn’t the Republicans win because they believed The Donald’s manufactured news? What’s your point?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 17, 2017

          More voters that mattered believed Trump’s version. He’s not stupid. Those who think he is, are.

          • Gezza

             /  February 17, 2017

            But that’s a non- sequiteur, Alan. I think he might be. Time will tell. If he keeps carrying on the way he has been, the evidence for the stupid proposition mounts, imo. But anyway, let’s watch the video I posted on the Trump media conference & then see what we think. At the moment let’s just call him an egotistical fellow who’s a bit limited in some ways?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 17, 2017

              I’ll go with your last sentence, G. But he has offsetting positive qualities and is trying to do some things that need doing.

  8. “The tone is such hatred,” he told reporters, adding, “I want to see an honest press. … The public doesn’t believe you people anymore.” http://bit.ly/2lQ45Kx

  9. Conspiratoor

     /  February 17, 2017

    He’s toying with them now. They don’t know which bone to chew. Sad but still fun to watch them work themselves up into a lather over these yuuuge issues