US discussion – Saturday

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  1. Gezza

     /  February 18, 2017

    Good thinking PG.

    Ok, just quickly – of the submissions received, 100% were in favour of Scoring Days not being notified beforehand, so in future the results and the day of assessment will just be announced when scoring is completed.

    I have to hit the sack. Good night any other insomniacs.
    0043 hours.

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  February 18, 2017

      Goodnight G. Your scoring system encourages misbehaviour, which is why I have excluded myself from it. I don’t need any encouragement… 😀

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      • Gezza

         /  February 18, 2017

        L3. 😉

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  February 18, 2017

          GFY ref, apply my points to someone worthy of them

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          • Gezza

             /  February 18, 2017

            👍

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            • patupaiarehe

               /  February 18, 2017

              I thought you would approve 😀

            • patupaiarehe

               /  February 18, 2017

              Not that I care about ‘upticks’, but I’m sensing a little hypocracy here. You know who you are!!!

          • Conspiratoor

             /  February 18, 2017

            What pat says G. c don’t want to play no more neither. Striking in protest due to the presence of a couple of low-cal specialists on the board. Cheers,c

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            • Gezza

               /  February 18, 2017

              👍 Name crossed off board. Note made alongside: “Lacked stamina”.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  February 19, 2017

              Or lacked the will to misbehave… Once again ref, GFY 😀

  2. Gezza

     /  February 18, 2017

    The SO-CALLED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES best tweets so far today.
    ……
    Despite the long delays by the Democrats in finally approving Dr. Tom Price, the repeal and replacement of ObamaCare is moving fast!
    ……
    Going to Charleston, South Carolina, in order to spend time with Boeing and talk jobs! Look forward to it.
    ……
    Thank you for all of the nice statements on the Press Conference yesterday. Rush Limbaugh said one of greatest ever. Fake media not happy!
    ……
    General Keith Kellogg, who I have known for a long time, is very much in play for NSA – as are three others.
    ……

    ……
    Kellogg. “Very much in play”? Say what? A teaser for next week? This isn’t The Apprentice, Donald. [Ed.]
    ……
    More tweets may be found here: https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
    ……
    Sat 18 Feb 2017. 0600 hours

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  February 18, 2017

    This narcissist runs America…SCARY full press conference yesterday

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 18, 2017

      He can’t last, Lurch. My dog or yours could do a better job. The old fool is still banging on about the election and all the false votes when his daughter is illegally registered to vote in two places. I seriously believe that his mind is going…going….gone…..

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    • lurcher1948

       /  February 18, 2017

      Is senility raising it ugly head as trump repeats and repeats,Alan

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  February 18, 2017

        Lurch, you are a late starter to this internet of things so you won’t know this. But the presidential candidate with the most electoral votes by far and one of the greatest presidents in the history of the US was a man who went into his second term with early onset alzheimer’s. Truth is stranger than fiction my dear old thing

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        • Blazer

           /  February 18, 2017

          why was he one of the …’greatest’?A Merrill Lynch …glove puppet …more like.

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  4. I wondered should this go in Media Watch, but decided USA today was more appropriate due to the content.

    The irony that James O’Brien talks scathingly about fake news with no awareness that his cynical branding of Nasra Omani as someone “who writes for Breitbart and The Hill” when she has been a long term respected WSJ staffer as well as a highly regarded freelancer speaks volumes.

    As Nasra goes on to say, despite O’Brien’s attempts at diminishing and belittling her, journalism is failing in their duty in their coverage of the Trump Administration. His attempts at deflection are elegantly argued against by her.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/james-obrien-spreading-fake-news-via-bbc-must-watch/

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  5. Nelly Smickers

     /  February 18, 2017

    EXCLUSIVE ❗

    Rare pic of President Trump’s ‘fine tuned machine’ in action…..

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 18, 2017

      How do you get so much mince out of such a small input tray, Nelly? And it doesn’t even have a funnel feed to get the stuff in? Obviously designed by an Obama Lefty journalist who doesn’t have a clue about how things work. Fake News!

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      • duperez

         /  February 18, 2017

        The real fake news is when the input tray has vegetables but the mince coming out is meat.
        The discussion, the debate, the drama then of course isn’t about that fact, but that the pile of mince is three times bigger than the heap of vegetables put in. 🙂

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 18, 2017

          False logic, Alan, the mince is more than the meat on top because it’s put in a bit at a time.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 18, 2017

            And poked down the little hole in the middle with your finger? Face it, Kitty, it’s a dog dreamt up by a galoot.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 18, 2017

              Or someone with a sense of humour.

              Oh yes, it’s one of those things that could never be made-well, it could, but it would never work.

              The dog says that he resents it being called that.

              Oh bugger, more rain. I have tried to find out the February rainfall, but it’s like pulling teeth. It must be much more than usual, though.

  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 18, 2017

    The heat goes on the CIA leakers – a Lefty cabal from Obama’s crew:

    https://spectator.org/leaky-john-brennan/

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      • Gezza

         /  February 18, 2017

        From the article, I give them credit for including a bit of balance in the commentary, Alan:

        “Certainly not everyone in the intelligence community agrees the outcome of the Flynn situation was the result of a leak conspiracy.

        Former CIA covert operations officer and Fox News contributor Mike Baker said the entire situation would be moot if Flynn simply had been honest with Pence and others, regarding the fateful conversation he had with a Russian counterpart in December.
        “Mike Flynn has nobody to blame except for Mike Flynn,” Baker told Fox News. “I suspect his conversations were completely uninteresting [with the Russians]…But what? You’re going to be less than transparent with those around you who are your bosses?”
        ……
        While Baker agreed the leaks needed to be investigated and the culprits punished, he said notions of a so-called “deep state coup” should be rolled back: ‘The hysteria is such that the truth is somewhere in the middle.'”

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    • Gezza

       /  February 18, 2017

      Will have a look at your links & see if there’s anything worth believing in these links Alan. Meantime, thought I’d just repost this from late last nite in case you were too embarrassed to revisit yesterday’s pages.


      Gezza / February 18, 2017
      It’s The Daily Caller though Al. Obviously somebody is going to have to get in there & fix the culture & stop the leaks, but it’s abundantly clear from other links posted here that Flynn was notoriously incompetent & is best gone.

      Aljaz’s Alan Fisher was just saying on their tv news that his sources say Hayward was well regarded & had support from both demovrats and republicans for the job, but that he declined because he wanted to bring his own team in, get rid of the current deputy who he doesn’t rate, bring a more strictly intelligence & military focus into the work done under him, and get rid of the political influence (basically, get Bannon out of it).

      This wasn’t agreed to, so he realised he’d be in for a world of pain the way Trump’s administration is going & obviously thought it best for someone else more sycophantically optimistic to wear the possible adverse consequences of the whole mess?

      PS: Hayward speaks fluent Farsi as well, apparently, and was quite well-respected by Arab governments in the role(s) he’s filled in the region? I won’t check those out because he’s obviously not going to take the job on under this so-called President.”

      I might add, further, Mr Fisher said his sources in Washington reported that quite a few likely suitable-candidate Republicans have now been approached with requests to serve the White House & had politely declined. As he said towards the end of his commentary, this Administration “is not making any of them desperate to break down the doors of the West Wing and say ‘pick me, pick me’.”

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      • Gezza

         /  February 18, 2017

        Correction (Vice-Admiral) Harward, I should’ve said. Sorry.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 18, 2017

        Nothing new in that. Who knows whether it was family or other factors. He certainly has a big job anyway.

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    • Gezza

       /  February 18, 2017

      American Spectator article.
      Mostly gossip. We’ll see what the investigations actually turn up.
      Some info about American Spectator’ pedigree:
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Spectator

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 18, 2017

    While the Lefty elites ridicule him in their echo chambers, Trump steals the unions:
    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/business/economy/trump-labor-unions.html

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    • Anonymous Coward

       /  February 18, 2017

      Highlights include…

      Do you believe that the media creates false feuds within our Party in order to make us seem divided?

      Do you believe that if Republicans were obstructing Obama like Democrats are doing to President Trump, the mainstream media would attack Republicans?

      Do you agree with President Trump’s media strategy to cut through the media’s noise and deliver our message straight to the people?

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  8. What is going on in here? Who are you speaking to up top Gezza?

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    • Gezza

       /  February 18, 2017

      Oh, I’ve just been evaluating performance here over a 24 hour for a couple of weeks from some of our more noteworthy contributors (plus Alan) & publishing the scoreboard results, trav. Completely neutral of course. Al’s even in the lead with Joe Bloggs at the moment.

      You’re doing ok. Nothing for you to worry about. In fact if the last couple of days had been Scoring Days, you’d be well ahead of me I reckon.

      https://yournz.org/2017/02/14/open-forum-tuesday-118/#comment-164166

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      • Gezza

         /  February 18, 2017

        😡 !#%!! … 24 hour period …

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  February 18, 2017

          “plus Alan” 😀

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 18, 2017

            Only good players are lucky, patu. Remember that. Great insight from one of my chess-playing mates. G might write the rules but we can mess them up,

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            • patupaiarehe

               /  February 18, 2017

              And only users lose drugs Alan 😀 Rules are made to be broken…

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  10. High Flying Duck

     /  February 18, 2017

    The reporting of the Trump conference has been interesting in tone and bias. Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) has been writing a lot about the cognitive dissonance caused by the election of DT and he has an excellent blog post which articulates what I have been thinking far better than I ever could:

    “I think we can all agree that there has been plenty of fake news coming from both sides. Fake news is usually intentional, although in some cases it is the result of honest mistakes. But lately we are seeing an entirely new type of untrue news. I call it Imaginary News. Here’s a good example from the Huffington Post.

    { HP Headline on Trump presser read: “77 Minute Meltdown”}

    I watched President Trump’s press conference with the alleged “meltdown,” and all I saw was Trump talking the way he normally talks. The Huffington Post watched and apparently saw some other set of circumstances…”

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157358914491/imaginary-news

    Well worth a read, as are many of his other posts.

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    • Gezza

       /  February 18, 2017

      That’s very good. I also like Scott Adams’s takes on Trump.

      All I saw was Trump behaving as he abnormally does, although therein, I reckon lie the concerns many people even in his own party obviously have about whatever crises or abominations might end up accompanying any good he might achieve.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  February 18, 2017

        The key thing is that DT hasn’t changed. He has stayed true to his campaign promises and demeanor. The MSM are making out that he is unhinged and ranting which simply isn’t true.
        I’m sticking to ignoring the words and paying attention to the actions.
        Agree or disagree with his actions he hasn’t actually done anything outside what he promised to do and hasn’t really put a foot wrong. Subject to a number of conspiracy theories of course.

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    • Yes, all I see is a brash New Yorker born and bred, a WYSIWYG, a very brash largely non political, undiplomatic man who has fought and won a deeply partisan state machine that operates with a huge Democratic bias. If he sounds paranoid, he has every reason to be so to be so.

      As a small c conservative liberal, I would have held my nose and voted the duplicitous, native political operative Hillary, despite my despising her and I would have done this to preserve a status quo of a sort. That said, I am now of the mind that the current POTUS, if he can drill down within that deep state, ferret out those out to topple him and manage to get done what he wants to, may just make a difference to the lives of native born, hardworking Americans whose futures were so compromised they voted for him.
      It took Reagan nearly three. Years after his tax cuts and changes to gain the trust of the people and he didn’t have twitter. There are polls showing that Trump is trusted more than the Press are and it’ll be a sideshow if and when some of those ‘it’s all about me’ jocks are given the Trump message – “you’re fired”

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    • Excellent article HFD.

      There is simply nothing of the reflective analysis one might expect of the coastal elite liberals. They’re living in an alternate reality, one where their Dem mates are still st the helm and all is well in their identity politics world. They do not believe Trumps the “rightful” president, they never predicted it, refused to report on him and even after he got the Rep nomination they refused him any worthy coverage. The collective hysteria and feeding frenzy of this large group of people is STOPPING them realising its time to GTFU. It’s stopping the newspeople among them to get on with reporting in any manner resembling objective, and without the hatred and malice that’s their standard fare.

      So much in Scott’s article is profound, but I’m choosing to highlight the particularly uncontrolled and quite delirious Huffpost.

      “You might recall that the Huffington Post made a big deal of refusing to cover Trump on their political pages when he first announced his candidacy. They only carried him on their entertainment pages because they were so smart they knew he could not win.

      Then he won.

      When reality violates your ego that rudely, you either have to rewrite the movie in your head to recast yourself as an idiot, or you rewrite the movie to make yourself the hero who could see what others missed. Apparently the Huffington Post chose to rewrite their movie so Trump is a deranged monster, just like they warned us. That’s what they see. This isn’t an example of so-called “fake” news as we generally understand it. This is literally imaginary news. I believe the Huffington Post’s description of the press conference is literally what they saw. If you gave them lie detector tests, they would swear they saw a meltdown, and the lie detector would say they were telling the truth.”

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  February 18, 2017

        Absolutely right. And that’s why the MSM are fixated on asking for ‘evidence’ of the fake news despite it being ingrained throughout almost every article they write. They simply do not seem to be able to comprehend that what they are putting in print and on screen is coloured by their world view to such an extent they are not reporting on objective reality.

        The same was true of Obama reporting to some extent. There was a prima facie assumption that his motives were pure and his actions just that over-rode genuine analysis of his policies and decisions.

        Obama was a fantastic orator who could hold an audience in the palm of his hand. What did he adjective though of any note?

        Trump is not a great speaker (despite having words, the best words, great words…no one has better word than him), but he is taking immediate action and implementing policy quickly and effectively.

        He also seems to have been able to build a good rapport with world leaders he has met – Teresa May, Bibi and Shinzo Abe so far.

        To have implemented as much as he has in so short a time does not speak of the bungling incompetence being portrayed.

        It is this he should be judged on rather than ultimately meaningless tweets and press conference.

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  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 18, 2017

    Media now ravaged by Trump Psychosis, an acute and critical deterioration from TDS: https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/02/16/the-media-bulls-have-met-their-matador-in-trump/

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    • Gezza

       /  February 18, 2017

      Czech exit Al. Might evaluate for you later. Gotta go pick up the LH from the station. She’s bringing a couple of recorders out, wants another jam session tonite. Best to go along with it. Good to have a bass player & voice coach. Not letting her do any washing. I want a fine day tomorrow. Then off to the Rest Home until 5 or so.
      1419 hours

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      • Gezza

         /  February 18, 2017

        *LF. FiP,

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        • Nelly Smickers

           /  February 18, 2017

          We have had a lady-friend of *Chuck’s* from LA staying with us for the last couple of days. *Eilleen* is thinking about spending a bit of time in Wello before heading home on Friday….would prefer somewhere with gender neutral toilets if poss. Amazing guitar player and voice like an angle. Any suggestions ❓

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 18, 2017

            I think G is booked tonight, Nelly.

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            • Nelly Smickers

               /  February 18, 2017

              Fair enuff Al – we’ll be putting Eileen on the train Monday morning. You never know……

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 18, 2017

              Which angle is her voice like? Possibly obtuse?

            • Gezza

               /  February 18, 2017

              Possibly meant voice like an angle grinder? 😳

              Government House, Nelly. Lady GG, might be happy to help out a *sister*. Ring & book in before arrival probably the best plan tho.

          • Blazer

             /  February 18, 2017

            ‘and then…Wayne…walked…in’!

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  February 18, 2017

        You two should try this one G. Its a lot less heavy than their usual stuff, easy to play, & sounds really good unplugged.

        https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/g/green_day/21_guns_ver3_crd.htm

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