Open Forum – Tuesday

21 February 2017

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56 Comments

  1. Missy

     /  February 21, 2017

    Thanks Pete, I don’t feel so behind in the world now that we have an Open Forum put up on the same day it is here! 👍

    https://yournz.org/2017/02/21/open-forum-monday-116/#respond

    • Whoops. I scheduled that post in case I slept in while I re-adjust to time differences and stuffed that up.

  2. Missy

     /  February 21, 2017

    Today the House of Lords began their first two days of debate on the Article 50 Bill…

    Posted: https://yournz.org/2017/02/21/lords-debates-article-50/

  3. Nelly Smickers

     /  February 21, 2017

    *Interesting read…..*

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  February 21, 2017

      Ugh, Her. When she first turned up in Moscow I went through her backstory. It is a crazy mess of fantasist daydreams. It boils down to the idea she had that when the government announced on had spied on 80 NZers she got it into her head that she has to be one of them.

      Through the course of her ‘journalism’ she met Dotcom, Greenwald etc, then she fled to Berlin and met Assange, so ask yourself ‘Why would a fantasist who’s ticking off a list of the main players in the internet/privacy debate be looking for asylum in Moscow?”
      Answer: Who is in Moscow? Ed Snowden.

      • Nelly Smickers

         /  February 21, 2017

        That’s *really really interesting* AC…… do you think they’re having it off ??

        • Anonymous Coward

           /  February 21, 2017

          No, I just think she wants to meet him. To check off her list.

          There’s also a story she tells where one of the worlds most famous hackers had cyber sex with her, or so she says. That one didn’t pass the sniff test either.
          For it to be him relied on one of the biggest games companies giving him the logon info of a friend because the NSA told them too, or something like that. The other choice was that the guy was her friend and not the hacker, her logic made the NSA story the most plausible. She’s loony.

          • Nelly Smickers

             /  February 21, 2017

            Yup….I know how important it is to pass the *sniff test* 😛

          • PDB

             /  February 21, 2017

            Was that the ‘World of Warcraft’ bullshit she wrote about?

            • PDB

               /  February 21, 2017

              I seem to remember The Standard suggesting her stories of spy agencies being after her being true – her world of warcraft article shows she is totally unhinged and in need of professional help:

              https://www.endarken.co.nz/suits-spooks-and-sexual-predators-what-sabu-really-got-up-to-with-the-fbi/

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 21, 2017

              Yeah that’s the one. She’s batshit crazy. And her Occam’s Razor is very blunt.

              There is a private investigator with a blog that mentions her, so she was being watched at one stage just not by the SIS/GCSB/NSA/FBI/Blizzard Entertainment.

            • PDB

               /  February 21, 2017

              Ben knows her – come in Ben! I know you still read this here blog on a regular basis……….

            • Blazer

               /  February 21, 2017

              what she says is quite plausible,I suspect the results of the surveillance on her which was of course illegal,has induced some…paranoia.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 21, 2017

              But the whole idea that she was being surveilled is the least plausible part of the whole thing. The thought process from ‘the gov is spying on 80 people’ to ‘they are definitely spying on me’ doesn’t wash. But if she can believe that, and the Blizzard/Sabu shit then I have no doubt she ‘believes’ she’s being watched.

            • PDB

               /  February 21, 2017

              Quite ‘plausible’ Blazer? Seriously I was giving you some benefit of the doubt in terms of sanity and now this!? She has ZERO evidence of being spied on and thinks a person on her ‘World of Warcraft’ fantasy game is FBI (rather than some pervert trying to get her naked). Part of her evidence is that Martyn Bradbury says she is being watched by the spooks, so must be true? An ineffective ‘keyboard warrior’ that hardly anybody has heard of is unlikely to be chased across the planet and have various spy agencies attempting to kill her. Please, the woman needs professional help.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 21, 2017

              Details of the GCSB’s spying on New Zealanders

              Of the 88 individuals:

              15 cases involving 22 individuals did not have any information intercepted by the GCSB
              The GCSB assisted in the execution of warrants in four cases involving five individuals the SIS was spying on
              The GCSB only provided technical assistance involving three individuals
              The remaining cases involved the collection of metadata (information such as the time and duration of phone calls, not the content of the conversation).

              The Director’s concern led to a number of other instances, in which GCSB had assisted domestic law enforcement agencies between 1 January 2009 and 26 September 2012,

              So none of the 88 were looked at after sep 2012,(she thinks it started in oct 2011 but the 88 wasn’t public knowledge until April 2013) and in the rundown of how the 88 were none of the details match her story.
              The dates just don’t work.

            • PDB

               /  February 21, 2017

              Good sleuthing AC – of course she and Blazer would say that is all just a cover up on what was really happening……..

      • Not just cowardly and anonymous but real smart to boot! Love it …

        I guess maybe for every whistle-blower there’s a few dozen (or more) wannabe whistle-blowers …?

        Quite good money in it nowadays I believe, if you can hit the upper echelons …?
        Although relocation costs can be high too … and locations somewhat limited …

        WhistleBlowing is kinda like an anti or inverse ‘Contractocracy’?
        The private EYEs and Free Range Debt Recovery Agents [or Bail Bondsmen] of Consultancy …

        • Blazer

           /  February 21, 2017

          @AC and PDB…conveniently forgetting the assurances from the govt that no NZ’ers were spied on…another lie in a long list….from John Spy the quitter and the worst P.M NZ has had since another Nat in Muldoon.

          • PDB

             /  February 21, 2017

            You’re making stuff up again Blazer, Key said no ‘mass spying’ on the NZL public, totally different and to date he has been correct.

          • Blazer

             /  February 21, 2017

            @PDB…please check your ‘facts’….Key used his default response …semantics….no mass surveillance occurred …just….bulk ..collection…too funny ,from a man who was known as the ‘smiling assassin’.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 21, 2017

              All due respect, but that’s a totally different issue, and a totally different report.

            • PDB

               /  February 21, 2017

              Again, totally different things, one is looking at specific personal detail under warrant whilst the other is collection of bulk data without going into it. If you think our govt has time to undertake mass spying of its citizens which would take thousands of people 24hrs a day to sift through then you are delusional.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  February 21, 2017

              You are of course dead right about that, the report into mass surveillance found mass data collection, but it wasn’t deemed mass surveillance because it was bulk collection and doesn’t become surveillance until it’s looked at and that doesn’t happen en masse ergo no mass surveillance.

            • Blazer

               /  February 21, 2017

              ‘mass’ surveillance can hardly be ‘specific personal detail’…by any stretch of the imagination….its the adoption of the formerly ridiculed Stasi and KGB operations against citizens.

    • PDB

       /  February 21, 2017

      Suzie Dawson is obviously a fantasist and mentally disturbed – I feel sorry for her as she needs professional help and has a young family. She wants to believe she is ‘on the run’, is being ‘targeted’ by spy agencies, and had attempts etc on her life in order to become like her heroes Assange, Snowden etc.

      Suzie: “It is no secret that I have endured intense political persecution in retaliation for my journalism, including the attempts on my life that led to my exile to Berlin in early 2015. This has had a devastating financial impact on my young family that, by design, diminishes my ability to continue holding powerful figures to account and to advocate for the public interest.”

      She seems to think Martyn Bradbury is a ‘media stalwart’ who knows exactly what the NZ spy agencies are up to – Suzie: “NZ media stalwart Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury has become the fifth person to step forward publicly to confirm that they knew I was being targeted by spy agencies in New Zealand.”

      That alone suggests she ain’t the full quid.

  4. Kennedy Warne puts this very succinctly at e-tangata …

    “The problem is that, short of recognising the independent and alternative sovereignty of indigenous people, there can be no guarantee that history won’t repeat itself — despite, in Australia’s case, parliament’s resolution that “the injustices of the past must never, never happen again.”

    “Words cannot bind the future,” write the editors of Sovereignty: Frontiers of Possibility.

    “Nothing short of constitutional change can safeguard Aboriginal people from abuses of State power.”

    On this side of the Tasman, the same holds true. For all the undoubted honesty and sincerity of the Crown’s apologies, the journey to justice must be as much about sharing power as it is about saying sorry.”

    http://e-tangata.co.nz/news/kennedy-warne-is-sorry-enough

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 21, 2017

      There are no guarantees in life at all, but there are legions of false prophets pretending there are.

      • There are theoretical guarantees Alan, in the form of man-made Law … among its annals is Constitutional Law …

        False prophets …? Who are you refering to?

        You’re getting as transumptive and irrelevant as PDB …
        Oh, no … that’s Right … Its called reactionary …

        Perhaps by “false prophets” you mean NZ Initiative’s recent report on Immigration, which in today’s Northland Age Winston Peters has described as “skewed to fit purpose” and “academic gobbledygook” …?

        • PDB

           /  February 21, 2017

          PZ: “You’re getting as transumptive and irrelevant as PDB …”

          You’d know PZ, being no1 practitioner of those particular arts……’meaningless, turgid dribble’ being another of your fortes……

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 21, 2017

        We could start with you, PZ, and your pretence that constitutional law can guarantee anyone safe from abuses of state power as well as a good and happy life.

  5. Kitty Catkin

     /  February 21, 2017

    It’s too HOTTTTT. The walk home seems endless. Picking and eating blackberries made a refreshing stop, I must say.

    Was anyone in Auckland when it was almost 100% humidity and 20o overnight ? My sympathy to them.

    Dot Con will be melting away like butter.

  6. Conspiratoor

     /  February 21, 2017

    Here goeth a man whose cajones are too big to fit inside his jumpsuit.so he carries them on the outside …as it were

    • patupaiarehe

       /  February 21, 2017

      Jeeezus! Even with a net that big, that still must hurt.

      • Conspiratoor

         /  February 21, 2017

        Yes pat. At 8000 feet his pulse was 145. In that situation mine would be flatlining

      • Anonymous Coward

         /  February 21, 2017

        OMG, tin-hat alert. There’s chemtrails coming off their shoes.

  7. patupaiarehe

     /  February 21, 2017

    My eldest is almost a big a fan of political correctness as I, and thought I should watch this. Enjoy… 😀

    • PDB

       /  February 21, 2017

      • patupaiarehe

         /  February 21, 2017

        Getting back to what I was saying on the other thread Pants (before someone rudely pointed out we were getting off topic), this is the sad reality that faces a first home buyer in Tga today…
        http://www.trademe.co.nz/property/residential-property-for-sale/auction-1238213591.htm
        The ad sounds appealing, without some local knowledge… Down in a hole, no section, surrounded by tenants, who are paying rents they can’t afford…

        • PDB

           /  February 21, 2017

          I think I see the problem Patu………Tauranga is a shit-hole, used to be a nice place until Urban sprawl ruined the place. Still can buy on the outskirts in neighbouring towns for a good price.

          • Blazer

             /  February 21, 2017

            what caused this urban sprawl that turned it into a …’shithole’….and is it replicated in other towns and…cities?

          • patupaiarehe

             /  February 21, 2017

            Such as where Pants? Katikati? If you don’t mind a one hour commute into town every day, & spending $100+ on petrol per week.

          • patupaiarehe

             /  February 21, 2017

            BTW Pants, Tga is far from a ‘shit hole’. If it was, people wouldn’t be moving here by the hundreds every week. Which is the problem, demand for housing far outweighs supply, and the infrastructure is struggling to keep up.

            • PDB

               /  February 21, 2017

              I lived there as a kid – FAR better place back then………large amounts of people flooding into parts of Auckland and the Tron which are also as awful so no accounting for taste.

            • PDB

               /  February 21, 2017

              To be fair the Tron was a shithole and continues to be so……..

            • patupaiarehe

               /  February 21, 2017

              I’d agree it has changed Pants, Papamoa was mostly farmland when I was growing up, as was Tauriko.

            • PDB

               /  February 21, 2017

              Hell, Bethlehem was a separate town all together back then………you’re right though, prices have gone through the roof looking at the latest listings, even on the outskirts. Generally I think the town planners could have done a lot better, especially at better preserving the Tauranga township proper – I think it lost its soul. Hamilton is a dump but it’s at least the one major North Island city with cheap housing options in townships/rural areas within easy commuting distance.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  February 21, 2017

              I almost forgot Bethlehem. Bethlehem Heights was the first subdivision there, after the ‘Kiwifruit Crisis’ of the early 90’s. Now it’s all residential, from the Highway to Cambridge road. Mills Reef Winery has recently been sold to a developer, and is now a residential subdivision called ‘The Vines’. The best thing the council could do for the CBD here, is rip out the parking meters, so the central city is on an equal footing with all the other shopping precincts…

            • Missy

               /  February 21, 2017

              “To be fair the Tron was a shithole and continues to be so……..”

              As a ‘Tron Girl’ I find that comment very offensive, there are many more places in NZ that are bigger Shitholes than the Tron.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  February 21, 2017

              Fair enough Missy, the ‘Tron’ has recently lost it’s title of ‘STD capital of NZ’ to ‘The Lakes’ region 😀
              http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/76088358/New-Zealands-worst-regions-for-STIs

      • Gezza

         /  February 21, 2017

        Posting a white-only cartoon! Disgraceful! Seriously aggrieved email to HRC in preparation right now! 😡