Open Forum – Saturday

25 February 2017

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44 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  February 25, 2017

    Loverly morning. Four corker days, with no wind to speak of, in a row in North Welly. We might be getting a little bit of Summer – yay! 👍 😃

    • We’ve had a very nice week weather-wise down here in Dunedin too, and barely a cloud in the sky this morning. It’s a welcome change to the crappy weather in January, the worst I can remember, and also to the oppressive almost inescapable heat of Queensland I was in for a couple of weeks. Low twenties is much more pleasant than high thirties.

      • I’m on the Coromandel. The February weather is sublime, the scenery and company overwhelming.
        #proudaotearoa

        • Blazer

           /  February 25, 2017

          do you ever do any work…..in between …holidays?;)

        • Conspiratoor

           /  February 25, 2017

          Nice Trav, take care on the 309

          • Missy. I prefer your version but felt @blazer would prefer the delivery on a high horse. #apt #airmorerarifieduphere. 😁

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 25, 2017

            It’s too hot to do things outside, I was driven back in to where there are fans. The cool nights are long gone. The inventor of the electric fan ought to be canonised. The thought of Waikato summers without these is terrible. The bliss of having one in the bathroom is indescribable. One steps out of the shower and the air is cool, lovely !

  2. Missy

     /  February 25, 2017

    I posted this on Friday’s OF, but as rightly pointed out by Patu it got lost in the ‘noise’ of Friday night OF posts, but also I suspect due to the time difference. (I apologise to Patu for re-posting, but I do have an ulterior motive).

    Yesterday there were two by elections in ‘safe’ Labour seats, Stoke on Trent and Copeland.

    Posted: https://yournz.org/2017/02/25/uk-by-elections/

    The timing of this post prompted a short discussion (or should I say suggestion and agreement) between Patu and Myself. Pete, what do you think of an European Issues post similar to the US Issues post, there is a lot that will be happening, and stuff here is ramping up a bit. We have Brexit, French Elections, Dutch Elections, German Elections, rumoured EU resignations and a lot more besides, so a European post might be a good thing – if you, and anyone else wants to see one. Just a suggestion.

    • Yes it’s easy for good content to get lost in the noise, especially when my time or mind is elsewhere.

      Good idea and I’m happy to do this, but perhaps with some alternate ideas.

      When you comment early (in NZ), up until about 7:30 am weekdays, I usually put it in a post. I will still do this.

      If you haven’t by then I can put up a ‘UK Issues’ post to cover anything that anyone wants to bring up. Or I can do that as well as your posts perhaps.

      Another option if you’re interested is for you to be able to author and post directly yourself. If you prefer not to then I’m happy to put your comments up as posts or put up general UK posts (which may prompt others to bring up different UK/European issues).

      ‘UK Issues’ or ‘European Issues’?

      • Missy

         /  February 25, 2017

        I think the time thing is a good idea, to be honest as we move towards March and April my days will be busier, so I will not always get to put anything up.

        I like the idea of trying to author a post and posting it directly – though that would mean some changes for me to be more disciplined about things, so maybe in the meantime whilst I sort through some other things we try your first suggestion, it is a great compromise, and it means that if I don’t get to post at night my time then I will have somewhere in the morning to post something. 🙂

        • patupaiarehe

           /  February 26, 2017

          Well golly Missy, well done! Pete doesn’t award ‘authorship privileges’ to just anyone. Well, no-one in living memory actually, for good reason. Just imagine how fast this place would ‘go to hell in a hand basket’, if the likes of Nelly & I could post whatever we wanted… 😉
          Please excuse my absence here tonight, Patu Jr’s new strings came in the mail today. He was really excited, and asked me to help him restring his electric, as soon as I had the time. So after dinner, I told him to get his electric axe, & the strings. He brought both out, and proudly told me that “I’ve taken all the old ones off Dad, to save some time”.
          I sighed loudly, & smiled at him.
          “What’s wrong Dad?”, he said.
          “Nothing son, since you’ve taken all the strings off, you should give it a good clean, while you have the opportunity”.
          Took nearly 2 hours to restring & tune the bloody thing! Then 1/2 an hour later, it needed retuning! It most likely will again tomorrow! Nevermind 😀
          Two hours of ‘quality time’, explaining not just how the neck of a guitar reacts to being untensioned, and why one has to tune it five times after removing all the strings, but also having a chat about all manner of other things too. It was an honest mistake, & I’m glad he made it.
          So anyhow, once again OF is lacking music. Here’s a favourite of mine, covered by someone else. It is better than the original, IMHO, because of his ‘ad libs’, using the same scale. Those who know this song & play guitar, will understand… 😉

  3. Nelly Smickers

     /  February 25, 2017

    Ever since *Ivanka T* became a follower of mine on Twitter, I have tended to treat her tweets with some respect, as a lot of what she sez has involved her children and other personal stuff. However, I was *horrified* to see the sort of vicious and venomous crap she has to put up with from a certain few *a-holes* like this………

    >>> I bet it makes *Mr Bradley Whitford* (wearing his pink pussy hat) feel like a *real big man* when he attacks Ivanka and her dad like this. *Sad bastard* <<:(

    • Missy

       /  February 25, 2017

      He is just another ‘liberal luvvie’ (as they are known here), another actor who thinks his opinion is important because he once played a White House worker on TV. Hopefully Ivanka will ignore him.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Whitford

      • Nelly Smickers

         /  February 25, 2017

        Thanks Missy… that makes a lot more sense now ❗

        Wayne just scanned thru the Wiki stuff, but said he didn’t see any mention of a *shoe fetish* 😡

        • lurcher1948

           /  February 25, 2017

          Life’s a bitch sometimes,don’t let it get to you she isn’t a 19 yo life ahead of her and dying from a brain tumor

        • Shoe fetishes are an Arabic thing. Look at how many are being thrown at Trump’s pictures in the Middle East. Futile gestures but if they feel better afterwards, thats a plus!

    • Bradley Whitford shows himself to be a much worse specimen than anyone he critiques ( read abuses). He declares himself a bigot in every sense of the word. I feel sure that public figures treat “no-life myself but despise others who do ” with the disdain they deserve.

  4. Missy

     /  February 25, 2017

    There was some discussion earlier this week about Sweden and its immigration issues.

    Here is an interesting piece from the Telegraph today discussing – and acknowledging – the problems with Sweden’s migrants (criminality and isolation), but also looking at one of the reasons the immigrants end up in this situation.

    The author highlights Sweden’s high standard of living is one of the factors that leads to the immigrants being left on the margins of society:

    “For unskilled work in restaurants, for example, the trade unions’ unofficial (but strictly enforced) minimum wage is about £10 an hour. For unskilled immigrants, especially from countries like Afghanistan and Somalia with no properly functioning education system, this means the Swedish dream ends before it begins. A policy intended to lift everyone’s wages has ended up destroying entry-level jobs, and ensuring thousands of immigrants are shut out of the economy, denied the first rung on the ladder to work.”

    So, what this says is that the higher the minimum wage, the harder it will be for unskilled, uneducated migrants to get into the jobs market.

    He states that the unemployment rate amongst Swedes is 4%, but amongst migrants it is 22%.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/23/wont-admit-stockholm-donald-trump-right-immigration-sweden/

    What I found interesting is the lessons that could be learnt for NZ, especially those that push for the ‘living wage’. The way I see what is happening in Sweden is that it shows if, as a country, you want to be welcoming to migrants and refugees, you need to have a jobs market that will allow for those that are unskilled, uneducated, and unable to speak the language well – not mentioned in the article I know, but it would be a factor in the uneducated – many from the MENA countries would be able to speak English, but I imagine few would be able to speak Swedish.

    • There’s no doubt that high levels of immigration causes problems, some of which can be difficult to deal with, especially when high numbers of refugees are involved.

      And it’s far worse throughout Europe due to high levels of illegal immigration, especially from North Africa.

      But it’s nothing new. I remember complaints in the UK about immigration from India, Pakistan, the West Indies. And it goes back a long time, London is largely built on immigration.

    • Nelly Smickers

       /  February 25, 2017

      The UK Daily Mail’s *Katie Hopkins* provides an interesting picture……

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 25, 2017

        Hatie iKopkins is a bit behind the times with that story, isn’t she ? The drowned child wasn’t a victim of migration, he was a refugee and the victim of the regime that made his family flee-ergo, a victim of terror. But Hatie doesn’t bother about such distinctions, of course. Anything for a bit more attention.

        • Nelly Smickers

           /  February 25, 2017

          It’s *Katie*, Kitzy……not *Hatie* LOL ❗ 😄

          You’re probably still thinking of this lady –

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 25, 2017

            It’s Kitty. No, Hattie is spelt with two t’s, it’s a diminutive of Harriet.Another difference is that she was a star, HK is a low watt light bulb.

            Hatie Kopkins is so much more apt for Little Miss Look-at-me.. She seems to hate so many people and groups of people that she ought to be called Hatie. Her life seems to be spent looking for people to sneer at and put down, as well as making sure that people notice her-very tiresome. Anyone who’s so desperate to be looked at that she’ll run around naked with a salami up her bum must have serious problems.

            • Nelly Smickers

               /  February 25, 2017

              True dat 😄

            • Missy

               /  February 25, 2017

              “It’s Kitty.”

              Oh, the irony of Kitty correcting her name when in the very next paragraph she calls Katie Hopkins by the childish ‘Hatie Kopkins’.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 26, 2017

              She is a Hater-she’s hateful-she makes vile remarks about people who don’t live up to her high standards. She is racist .She mocked the appearance of a cancer patient, forsooth, which is about as low as anyone can go. She fat-shames children and calls them animals. Hatie is a very good name for someone so malevolent and spiteful. Mocking a cancer patient ? That is the dregs. Yes, cancer patients don’t look like fashion models, but it isn’t their fault and there are some people who should never be sneered at. I would put cancer patients near the top of the list. And children. Adults mocking children is pathetic.

            • Missy

               /  February 25, 2017

              Or perhaps I should so, oh the hypocrisy, not irony.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 26, 2017

              Or make sense….

        • Missy

           /  February 25, 2017

          “The drowned child wasn’t a victim of migration, he was a refugee and the victim of the regime that made his family flee-ergo, a victim of terror. But Hatie doesn’t bother about such distinctions, of course. Anything for a bit more attention.”

          Actually Kitty, the drowned child was a migrant by the time he reached Europe, his family had already reached a safe country, and as a refugee that is where they should have stayed while having their claims processed, instead the decision was made by his parents to pay a people smuggler to take them to Europe.

          He was a victim, not just of the circumstances that made his parents leave, but also his parents decision to leave the safety of Turkey and pay a people smuggler to travel to Europe, and the people smugglers. After death he became a victim of the media and left as they cynically used the picture of him to manipulate and push their own agenda.

          That was a sad case all around, the child was used by his father, the media, and the pro refugee groups quite shamelessly after his death.

          • PDB

             /  February 25, 2017

            Quite correct – one of the survivors actually stated the father was one of the people smugglers himself but I can’t find out what happened after that came out……..the father killed his son by taking him on a dangerous boat trip he didn’t need to take.

            • Missy

               /  February 25, 2017

              Once that came out the story disappeared from the media, obviously didn’t fit the narrative the media wanted.

          • PDB

             /  February 25, 2017

            http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/men-charged-in-death-of-alan-kurdi-say-boy-s-father-abdullah-kurdi-is-to-blame-1.3435375

            “Two men accused of people smuggling in the case involving the death of two-year-old Syrian migrant Alan Kurdi have pointed the finger at a third man — Abdullah Kurdi, Alan’s father. Muwafaka Alabash and Asem Alfrhad, both Syrian nationals, claim Abdullah Kurdi was the mastermind behind the ill fated journey  — and they say those who survived the trip will agree. 
            The raft carrying the Syrian migrants overturned while attempting to get from Turkey to the Greek island of Kos, resulting in the deaths of Kurdi’s wife and two young sons, including Alan”.

            Survivors said the dead boys father was the smuggler driving the boat too fast causing it to capsize, the other smugglers convicted said he also a smuggler.

            Left-wing MSM lies at its finest.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 26, 2017

            He wasn’t a migrant in the sense that the Indian family who live near me are migrants or my brother is one.

  5. In my observation, there is a critical mass in immigration and that is where the Muslim population exceeds 3% of the total population of a nominal Christian country, then you have a recipe for disaster. Islam is not the problem, Sharia and jihad is.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  February 25, 2017


    sorry some of my posts have been crap,Will try harder

  7. lurcher1948

     /  February 25, 2017

    Here’s the selfish baby boomers version of this classic,…