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  1. Gezza

     /  March 5, 2017

    THE DONALD OF THE UNITED STATES’s best tweets so far today:
    https://yt3.ggpht.com/-IPUHnxNf_Ow/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/RUjLyrlNsgw/s88-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/
    ……..
    We must fix our education system for our kids to Make America Great Again. Wonderful day at Saint Andrew in Orlando.
    ……..
    The first meeting Jeff Sessions had with the Russian Amb was set up by the Obama Administration under education program for 100 Ambs……
    ……..
    Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!
    ……..
    Just out: The same Russian Ambassador that met Jeff Sessions visited the Obama White House 22 times, and 4 times last year alone.
    ……..
    Is it legal for a sitting President to be “wire tapping” a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!
    ……..
    I’d bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!
    ……..
    How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
    ……..
    Arnold Schwarzenegger isn’t voluntarily leaving the Apprentice, he was fired by his bad (pathetic) ratings, not by me. Sad end to great show
    ……..

    ……..
    Does The Trumpster have shares in Twitter? Anybody know? I guess we could ask the FBI or CIA?

    Seems to have had a right old Twitter storm overnight. [Ed.]
    ……..
    More tweets may possibly be found here when El Presidente has spare time:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
    ……
    Sun 5 Mar 2017. 0600 hours

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    • Gezza

       /  March 5, 2017

      Aljazeera TV news just reporting that these Trump claims by a president about another president, Obama, authorising the tapping of his phones are unprecedented & are ‘supported by no evidence at all’. 🙄

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  March 5, 2017

      A good question Geez, “Does the Trumpster have shares in Twitter?”….. it would appear so 😄

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    • Gezza

       /  March 5, 2017

      “Arnold Schwarzenegger isn’t voluntarily leaving the Apprentice, he was fired by his bad (pathetic) ratings, not by me. Sad end to great show”

      It was shite. It was always shite. Its ratings were one of the many indicators of how brain-dead Americans have become due to their being relentlessly assaulted over decades by mind-numbing advertising, rubbish programmes, bs & celebrity trivia on TV.

      Now this US msm intellectual-deficiency disease has spread to NZ TV. I gritted my teeth & strggled through 10 minutes of 1Ewes @ 6pm last nite. Christ, 10 minutes of having absolute womens magazine-type rubbish positively shrieked at me by Melissa Stokes was more than I could stand. I turned it off, sobbing …. 🙁

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 5, 2017

        For heavens sake don’t buy the Sunday newspapers then, G. The Herald’s “Latest News”:

        Why black handbags never go out of fashion
        16 min ago
        Schwarzenegger quits Celebrity Apprentice, blames Trump
        49 min ago
        Woman cremated while still alive
        57 min ago
        Kiwi duo spread message of hope to youth
        60 min ago
        Kiwi couple take ’57 Benz on epic roadtrip
        1 hour ago
        How to make a Burger Burger burger in 10 minutes
        1 hour ago
        NRL star’s ex allegedly paid to have abortion
        1 hour ago
        One Direction’s Louis Tomlinson arrested in airport scuffle
        Benji and Zoe are going live on air
        Behind the scenes at Sydney’s morgue

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        • Gezza

           /  March 5, 2017

          I haven’t really looked at any telly or online print news for over a week, Alan. I’ve probably missed one or two important things happening somewhere in the world, or only saw a few seconds about them on Aljaz – but I obviously haven’t missed anything much of note, as I know only too well that’s a typical example of the standard fare of what garbage passes for ‘news’ these days. 😡

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  March 5, 2017

    What was trump snorting?????

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    • Gezza

       /  March 5, 2017

      Don’t think he indulges in chemical stimulants. Possible somebody might’ve slipped him the wrong kind of mushrooms for breakfast though? 😳 Somebody with a grudge, maybe (🕶)

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    • Corky

       /  March 5, 2017

      The sweet scent of success mix with an unstoppable desire to succeed., Lurchy.

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      • Gezza

         /  March 5, 2017

        I believe the correct term to be used with Trumpy is to “suck seed”, Corks? 😳

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        • Corky

           /  March 5, 2017

          Breath deeply….it’ll be four years if you’re lucky…eight if the Dems fall over.
          Ever thought about the poor shmuck who follows Trump into the presidency?

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          • Blazer

             /  March 5, 2017

            have you ever thought about the poor schmuck who inherits the Natz legacy of smoke and mirrors?

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            • Corky

               /  March 5, 2017

              You mean in 2026? I may be dead by then.

            • Gezza

               /  March 5, 2017

              You might be like Keef Richards, Corky – the universe may try everything it can think of but be unable to kill you?

          • Gezza

             /  March 5, 2017

            Well, the Dems might just party for a while yet, hoping The Donald will do or say something or other that will piss off those among the Republican bum-lickers in Congress who don’t really like him either, & might be happy for Mike Pfennigs to replace him. It’s not like the Dems have got anything better to do now, with the Reps having a stranglehold on the House. And Donny & the Gopstoppers really did make things difficult for poor old Bazza for most of his second term, so they might think it’s just payback.

            Let’s wait & make sure Trumpster manages four years before speculating on eight. I mean, he might, but he’s still a bit governed by egomania & rushes of blood to the private member, imo. Hard to see him changing – though he might eventually learn to take advice before taking to Twitter or ad libbing with some piece of bs he just saw on Fox news, or even just made up on the spot, thinking he was only talking to New York cabbies?

            One good thing about Trump, I reckon, is that he will – or should – result in both the Dems & the Reps thinking hard about who they really think has the intellectual, emotional & intestinal grunt for the job next. The choices both parties offered up to their constituencies this last time round were all dreadful.

            Welcome back btw Corks.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 5, 2017

              The smoke and mirrors image is old and tired.

  3. Gezza

     /  March 5, 2017

    Oops. Pete, could you add jpg to the image link after the ‘ / ‘ above, so the image displays? Must’ve accidentally deleted it.

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    • Gezza

       /  March 5, 2017

      Hmm. 1100 hours. Still looks the same. So that’s a ‘No’ then? This is how things are going to be now, is it? 🤔 😃

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  4. Nelly Smickers

     /  March 5, 2017

    Looks like that even when it comes to *DOTUS*…..it’s as Wayne’s mum has always said, *Money can’t buy you Class* 😄

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    • Gezza

       /  March 5, 2017

      It’s an epicurean major felony, I would think. Someone should ask Gordon Ramsay. My bet is he would probably say:

      “What a $!?&wit. Who spends 54 $#?@en dollars on a $#@!en steak! Then goes & smothers it in $!?@en ketchup! 🔫 $#?! me!”

      or something very similar to that.

      Unless he was invited to cook at the Summer White House. Then he might just say the last bit.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 5, 2017

        It seems a total waste of a good steak to drown it in tomato sauce-why bother to have a good one in that case ? You might as well be eating horsemeat, But, while I find Trump’s revelation about the way he likes a steak about as fascinating as hearing which brand of toothpaste someone uses, I can never see why it’s non-u to like well-done steak-when I ate meat, I found bloody, underdone meat nauseating. The customer’s always right-and they are eating it. But I can see why someone would wince at seeing some peasant smothering steak with tomato sauce.They wouldn’t know if it was steak or a hamburger.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  March 5, 2017

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 5, 2017

            If you don’t turn off that CCTV camera, I’m going to make a VERY SERIOUS COMPLAINT to PG. Turn it off-now-or Ginger Tom next door will pee in it.

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            • patupaiarehe

               /  March 5, 2017

              Yeah, nah… 😀

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 6, 2017

              PETE !!!!!! Patu’s SPYING ON ME !!!! Tell him that he’s not to.

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 5, 2017

    US Democrat Senator wrongly claims she never met the Russians but when it is disproved the MSM just delete her claim from their story and continue to attack Sessions:

    http://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/03/02/devastating-proof-media-bias-new-york-times-airbrushes-away-democrats-embarrassing-false-claim-without-trace/

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    • Gezza

       /  March 5, 2017

      That’s a bit embarrassing for poor Caire McC. One wonders if there’s a higher rate of alzheimers in the US Congress than in the general population there sometimes. Metals in the water maybe?

      A couple of important differences though, Al.
      1. It doesn’t mention she was asked about it being considered for the position of USAG.
      2. She hasn’t got a rat face. 🤔

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 5, 2017

        3. She was a Democrat.

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        • Gezza

           /  March 5, 2017

          I thought they’re all democrats in Congress, Al? What’s Jeff, then? A fascist?

          Anyway, it would be a Democrat having a go, wouldn’t it? The Republicans are basically putting up with whoever Trump nominates, as I see it – unless & until he tanks in the polls, then they’d probably give him the bum’s rush, I reckon. But so far Trumpy’s in no danger there. The Dems obviously still see hope for provoking him into more msm-magnet blunderbussing tho.

          Good to see you have no didpute about the face. That one’s hard to deny, once you’ve watched him on video. The way his eyes dart about don’t help.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  March 5, 2017

            I’ve never had a didpute about anything, G. I’ll have to watch out for one.

            I still don’t watch videos and I mostly don’t comment on personal characteristics as you know. Too subjective and liable to rebound on the commentor.

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            • Gezza

               /  March 5, 2017

              I have a cuddly bear face – in the right light.

            • Gezza

               /  March 5, 2017

              Oh, I see what you mean, Al. A didpute is a dispute over whether one did something or not. Well, if it didn’t already exist as a word, it now does, and that’s what it means. 👍

  6. I thought I should add a little bit of colour to the Wikileaks connection and the authenticity or otherwise of the DNC, PODESTA AND RUSSIAN connections to Wikileaks. The comments are part of an in depth probe into the emails as released by Wikileaks and whether they have been altered and whether there is Russian involvement following an examination of the hex data and a whole lot of technical verification that needs some understanding of programming and how rich text files work etc. Its all at https://medium.com/@nyetnyetnyet/russia-and-wikileaks-the-case-of-the-gilded-guccifer-f2288521cdee#.5admnzbt7.

    “… Furthermore, another two documents contain the same style-sheet data, from the same edit sessions. This can be discovered by looking at things called ‘rsid’s or Revision Session Identifiers in Guccifer’s document. In order to track changes, MS word assigns a new random ‘rsid’ with each save upon each element added or edited. The rsids for the Russian style-headings in 1.doc, 2.doc and 3.doc are all the same (styrsid11758497 in the raw source).
    Moreover, the document creation timestamps on 1,2, and 3.docs are all identical too. This might imply there was one empty document open, with individual documents being copy-pasted and saved-as (1.doc), then contents deleted and new doc pasted and saved-as (2.doc), etc. This is the only way to go about obtaining identical creation timestamps short of direct editing of the source, and would also explain identical style-sheet RSIDs.

    A ‘save-as’ of the original document would retain the original author, but also the original creation date, and the creation dates were current, not original. Another clue to additional tampering is that if the documents were superficially copy-pasted into a template, the original author fields would not have been copied over, however the missing error links and style-sheet data do point to a copy-paste, so the author had to have been added after-the-fact by editing the source of 1.doc. OR ‘Warren Flood’ was the ‘Author’ of the template document, which was then changed to ‘Felix Edmundovich’ (Russian FSB agent) before ‘saving as.’

    The latter scenario seems counter-intuitive — you would think if you opened a fresh document and changed the author field before saving-as you’d get your new ‘Felix’ entry as author, but what actually happens is ‘Felix’ gets assigned the ‘operator’ meta-tag (‘modified by,’) and ‘Warren’ remains as ‘Author.’ This implies that if the meta-data was not directly hex edited, ‘Warren’ was in the original settings of Guccifer2.0’s MS Office.

    The author of g-2.space suggests ‘Warren’ is Guccifer2.0, and while it is true that the original author of document in the Podesta leaks is not ‘Warren,’ I would exercise extreme caution when it comes to accusations made by internet sleuths, chiefly because it’s obvious heavy meta-data alterations were made in subsequent documents. Creation dates are zeroed out, author fields are zeroed out, creation and editing dates are identical, the list goes on.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20160615212154/https://guccifer2.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/big-donors-list.xls

    ‘DocProps’ Innards of donors.xlsx

    So it‘s’ clear that meta-data was deliberately altered and documents were deliberately pasted into a ‘Russianified’ word document with Russian language settings and style headings. Maybe on a VM — a Mac VM in the case of donors.xlsx? Or is this more untrustworthy meta-data?
    So I think we can say for certain that the author wanted the Russian elements to be found. Like, really desperately by the looks of things.

    To what degree Guccifer2 wanted us to know this was a deliberate addition is a more difficult question to answer after-the-fact of the results (Russian attribution). If Guccifer2 wanted us to think it was an accidentally ‘touched’ document, why was all the meta-data so haphazardly altered? Granted, he/she wouldn’t have had much time to put it together after the impending leak announcement by WikiLeaks, but still it seems off. I guess the real question is ‘how much tinfoil you got?’

    Possibilities: Judge for yourself
    Depending on how much foil is left on the roll…
    a) Guccifer2 was a Russian FSB/GRU hacker pretending to be Romanian with zero demonstrable knowledge about the DNC hack, with documents altered and separate from what Wikileaks published, who went out of his way to subtly (overtly to anyone who cared to look) point out the fact he was Russian, thereby thumbing-his nose at the Intelligence Community. Oh, and counting on a Trump win, because if Hillary had won, all of this would have been a giant shot in the foot.

    b) Guccifer2 was the actual source of the leaks, but not Russian, simply trying to mislead any investigators by never actually giving any proof linking him to Wikileaks at all, while at the same time being able to bask in the credit and mayhem achieved. Doesn’t make a drop of sense given body of evidence.

    c) Guccifer2 was a rushed emergency response by the DNC or by CrowdStrike (aka cyber arm of the Atlantic Council) or both, after the announcement of impending leaks, to create a ‘deception story’ providing narrative weighted links between the ‘Russian malware’ found in the DNC servers, and Wikileaks. And ultimately, to render the prospect of an independent leaker irrelevant. This is unlikely as Guccifer2.0’s possible links to DCLeaks.com and apt28 phishing infrastructure might imply a much grander anti-russian-centric-conspiracy that had no problems targeting Hillary’s campaign.

    d) Guccifer2 was a CIA disinformation campaign to frame the Russians, while thumbing their noses (obvious deception,) before an assumed Hillary Clinton win could provide an appropriate and ‘pragmatic’ response. Had to have assumed a Clinton win, but in the event of a Trump win would be (and is) greatly advantageous. May imply apt28 itself was a false-flag pwn-job.
    e) Guccifer2 was a random scatter-shot chaotic, pointless Russian disinformation campaign. They didn’t know what material had been given to WikiLeaks, but had some material from the hack of the DNC or the phishing expedition, and decided to take credit just because. This would probably be right up Putin’s alley, so shouldn’t be ruled out, but would have been a risky move given even he would have assumed a Clinton win.

    f) Reality ???
    To claim that Guccifer2 had some docs that were the same as those found on WikiLeaks is also hazy. The DNC author listed/inserted in 1.doc is not the author listed on the Wikileaks version. Only the “5.doc” author details match what can be found on Wikileaks. Much of the author data was scrubbed, possibly to cover the fact that the document’s revision versions to be included in the WikiLeaks dumps were not known. More tinfoil, sir?

    The Gilded Guccifer
    Much like the case of the Russian reddit report, the evidence on the Guccifer2 meta-data has been glossed over, haphazardly judged, and subsequently gilded by the media at large, ex-intelligence community public figures, and many other computer security expert echo chamber dwellers between.
    Out of all of the possibilities given in the previous section, only the first has been given any serious consideration. But the narrative has already been set, and the copy has already been written. It’s all under the bus of the media cycle, where narrative is King in the fortress of echoes. Roll up! Roll up!”

    The thing that sits at the heart of this examination is the handling of the DNC sponsored Trump report commissioned at a price to provide the DNC, the dirt on Trump. You can get a copy of the document from Wikileaks.
    What is also significant is the deliberate Russia-fication of the original document 1.doc as proven above is entirely consistent with the Democrat’s campaign to tie Trump et al to Russia, an attempt doomed to failure in my view.

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  7. Conspiratoor

     /  March 5, 2017

    Still waiting for hard evidence the trump campaign colluded with ivan to steal the election. Come on snowflakes, put up or shut up…

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  8. Joe Bloggs

     /  March 5, 2017

    Trump is inadvertently right about the parallels between Nixon and Watergate, and trump himself. It was Nixon’s paranoia that led to his downfall. As it will be trump’s paranoia (coupled with his campaign’s collusion with the Kremlin) that will lead to his downfall.

    He’s a serious worry. He gets his news from Breitbart, InfoWars, Levin, Drudge etc – the lunatic fringe. He seems incapable of acting reasonably, or maturely. He launches irrational attacks with no evidence, such as this one against Obama, just making himself look bad. He is incredibly thin-skinned, and seems delusional.

    How long before those close to him get him to step down?

    A phrase I never thought I’d utter – I miss Dubya

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  9. Joe Bloggs

     /  March 5, 2017

    Schiff scores hole-in-one:

    “If there is something bad or sick going on, it is the willingness of the nation’s chief executive to make the most outlandish and destructive claims without providing a scintilla of evidence to support them,” said Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. “No matter how much we hope and pray that this President will grow into one who respects and understands the Constitution, separation of powers, role of a free press, responsibilities as the leader of the free world, or demonstrates even the most basic regard for the truth, we must now accept that President Trump will never become that man.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obama-wire-tapping-trump-tower-phones-235679

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    • My observation is who has the monopoly of the truth in all of this? Why should I believe Joe or Schiff’s claims ahead of any other. Intelligence is unprocessed information. Conclusions are based on evidence and logical results that can be drawn from the evidence (information at hand evaluated from source and credibility). We do not have the final evidence one way or the other, but watch and wait, we may yet get the truth!

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