Trump’s new immigration order

President Trump has signed a new executive order that restricts immigration from six countries. The first attempt was plagued by court rulings against it.

They believe it is a lawful order “just like the first executive order”, still trying to defend a deficient document.

Fox News: Trump signs new immigration order, narrows scope of travel ban

President Trump on Monday signed a revised executive order suspending the refugee program and entry to the U.S. for travelers from several mostly Muslim countries, curtailing what was a broadly worded directive in a bid to withstand court scrutiny.

More than two dozen lawsuits were filed in response to the original travel ban. One suit filed in Washington state succeeded in having the order suspended by arguing that it violated constitutional protections against religious discrimination.

As before, the order will suspend refugee entries for 120 days. But it no longer will suspend Syrian refugee admissions indefinitely.

The new order also will ban travelers from six countries who did not obtain a visa before Jan. 27 from entering the United States for 90 days. The directive no longer includes Iraq, as the original order did, but covers travelers from Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

Iraq, a key U.S. ally in the fight against ISIS, was removed from the travel ban list after Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said he spoke with the Iraqi government about its vetting process and felt that the screening system was thorough enough to stand on its own.

Trump had claimed that there had been no vetting previously, hence the claimed need for his orders. See Politifact Wrong: Donald Trump says there’s ‘no system to vet’ refugees.

The order also makes clear that green card holders are not affected.

There was confusion about green card holders after the first order was signed.

The Trump administration also plans to cap the number of refugees it accepts to 50,000 a year – down sharply from the 110,000 accepted by the Obama administration.

According to the new executive order, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security will have 20 days to perform a “global, country-by-country review of the identity and security information that each country provides to the U.S. government to support U.S. visa and other immigration benefit determinations.”

Couldn’t they have done that review anyway?

The new order also details categories of people eligible to enter the United States for business or medical travel purposes.

Will that affect business travel from New Zealand?

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39 Comments

  1. David

     /  March 7, 2017

    I feel desperately sorry for those poor Somalian pirates who after a busy season ransoming ships want nothing more than to wander down to the Mogadishu passport office and then pop away to Disneyland and Universal Studios a bit of R and R and do some planning for the following season.

    • Blazer

       /  March 7, 2017

      the U.S operations in Somalia were brief and ineffective.There was nothing to acquire there re resources ,so they left the mayhem and disorder to the Somalians to fight among themselves.Employment opportunities were few,and piracy was quite an appealing diversification ,as it proved to be …lucrative.

      • John Schmidt

         /  March 7, 2017

        Are you suggesting the country thst you hate, the US, return to Somilia to bring about law and order and to provide employment opportunities.

        • Blazer

           /  March 7, 2017

          the U.S have never ,ever done that before,so I don’t expect them to start.Do you know…different?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 7, 2017

            If David has any proof of his statement, I would be glad to hear it. I somehow think that I may have a long wait. NB xenophobia isn’t proof of anything except itself.

            • David

               /  March 7, 2017

              Umm you really thought that was a fact based statement, sheesh. On the other hand I find it a bit harsh that Iranians cant once more travel to America to pick up geniune flags, and do a bit of sight seeing, to take home and publicly burn while screaming “death to america”.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 7, 2017

              Name ten Iranians who have done all this.

              They don’t need to go somewhere to buy a flag, surely. What’s a genuine flag ? One US flag (unless it’s one from the White House or something like that ) would be indistinguishable from another-who’d know if it was from the country or not ? If you saw a Union Jack here, would you know if it was from the UK or not ?

              No, I didn’t believe it, I’m not that gullible-but it sounded as if you didm and your remarks that follow it confirm this. It might seem odd that not every Iranian who visits a country behaves as you suggest-odd to you-but it’s a xenophobic fantasy.

  2. Nelly Smickers

     /  March 7, 2017

    DOTUS promised to *Make America Safe Again* and is doing exactly that ❗ Trumpy is cutting thru the establishment like a knife thru butter……he really is quite an amazing man and WILL without doubt *MAGA*.

    If only our own weak politicians would do the same thing….*before it’s too late* 😕

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 7, 2017

      Try cutting cold butter-Trump is like someone cutting cold butter with a plastic knife.

      The statement about what he’s doing is so vague as to be meaningless.

  3. Joe Bloggs

     /  March 7, 2017

    a few points to ponder:

    – most of the 9/11 hijackers were from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia is the kingdom that has funded Wahabiism, from which sharia law, Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS, etc have sprung. The elephant in the room has been ignored again

    – how is a Jew or a Christian fleeing persecution in Iran any more of a security threat than a Muslim arriving in the US from Egypt or Saudi Arabia? Or Chechnya for that matter?

    – Pakistan has a large ungoverned region that is by all accounts full of terrorists and extremists, yet Pakistan isn’t on the list

    – North Korea has long been involved with terrorism and weapons of mass destruction, yet North Korea isn’t on the list

    – Iraq has been removed from coverage, yet there’s been no regime change, no change in culture, dominant religion, attitudes toward US, and so on

    – from these examples and from studies done by Homeland Security it seems self-evident that citizenship is an unreliable indicator of the threat posed by terrorism to the US

    – the new order includes a wide-ranging series of exemptions that enable waiver of the six-nation visa ban. Since provisions are in place for waivers, the need for an executive order travel ban is obviated

    – the original order included a 90 day freeze so that the US government had enough time to ramp up its vetting procedures. It’s had half of that time already and vetting procedures should be well ramped up. There’s no reason to restart the clock

    – the new order provides advance notice and takes effect 16 March, yet trump claimed advanced notice was completely ruled out for the original order because ‘bad people’ would rush to America before the start date. What has changed with respect to the behaviour of the ‘bad people’? The urgency of “now” was nearly 2 months ago

    – during the absence of the first travel ban no terrorist attacks were committed on US soil by citizens of the six banned nations. In other words, the American public was unharmed in the absence of a travel ban

    – studies by Homeland Security show that ME Muslims who plot terror attacks have generally become radicalised after many years living in US. A travel ban doesn’t address this dominant source of terrorism. In the 16 years since 9/11, 94 people have been killed in America by what could be described as radical Islamic terrorists. Of the 12 terrorists behind those attacks, 7 were born in US and none of the other 5 came from the six nations now banned. Does radicalisation of American-born citizens count as another elephant in the room?

    – trump never mentions terrorists like Timothy McVeigh or Dylan Roof or Adam Lanza. They don’t fit his profile

    – in 2013 there were 33,636 deaths due to “injury by firearms” (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens). But trump just undid legislation which kept Americans with mental health issues from owning guns. There’s another elephant in the room

    – it’s estimated by the Centre for Disease Control that each year in America around 22 people are killed by cows. Of those cow attacks, 75% are believed to be deliberate. Cows have also been filmed on camera eating chicks and barn kittens. ‘Radical Islamic Terrorism: 3 times less dangerous than cows’

    This new ban appears to be reverse engineered from the appeals court decision blocking the old one; it addresses the many legal flaws and narrows the order’s scope.

    But the threat of unconstitutional religious discrimination still lingers over this order, and will likely spur a new round of litigation.

    Moreover it serves as propaganda for terrorist organizations that want Muslims to believe that the “West” is in a war with Islam. It does nothing to help Americans be more safe, and likely increases the total number of terrorists in the world that want to do harm.

    trump still struggles to explain why he zeroed in on these particular countries; what specific threats they pose; why stemming the tide of refugees and immigrants will address these alleged threats; and why the ban must be so sweeping.

    It’s still a cruel and dangerous order, one that will directly harm some of the most vulnerable people in the world. It’s still a disaster.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 7, 2017

      You prefer this then:
      http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-truth-about-sweden/article/2007071

      You should go and live there where you could be in a community whose ideals you support.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  March 7, 2017

        diversion

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  March 7, 2017

        The data tells us that there was no surge in gun violence or rape in 2015, when Sweden accepted more than 160,000 refugees. The rate of gun deaths in Sweden in 2015 stood at 0.32 per 100,000 population, compared with 4.04 in the US – 12 times that of Sweden.

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2017/feb/24/trump-fox-news-and-the-truth-about-in-sweden-in-data

        As I said above there are many points to ponder about ban 2.0. Pro vs anti views on migration in Sweden is not amongst them

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 7, 2017

          The impact of refugee immigration to Sweden shows that “some of the most vulnerable people in the world” can also be some of the most dangerous.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 7, 2017

            Joe, I hope that you don’t believe that Trump has business interests in those places 😀

            How generous to provide loonies with guns. And to excuse the US terrorists like McVeigh….how many did they kill in total ?

  4. Corky

     /  March 7, 2017

    Excellent stuff. And if it all goes pear shape at least Trump can say: ‘I DID SOMETHING.’

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 7, 2017

      Like a doctor cutting off the wrong leg, and saying that !

      • Nelly Smickers

         /  March 7, 2017

        The good news was, that the patient in the next bed said they would buy his slippers 😄

      • Corky

         /  March 7, 2017

        Yep, at least it was something.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 7, 2017

          True story; a surgeon in the hospital where I trained was heard to say part way through an amputation ‘This IS the right leg, isn’t it ?’ (It was)

          His nickname was Chopping Charlie ***** (name withheld for obvious reasons 😀 )

          • Blazer

             /  March 7, 2017

            and when a you going to tell the story of when you worked in the circus as the girl who used to get sawn in half…..Mittycat?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 7, 2017

              Never, because it didn’t happen. That act was a stage magician’s act, rather than a circus one, surely. It’s obvious that YOU never took part in it, as the magician would have made sure that he really DID saw you in half.

              Many girls began nursing training and didn’t finish it. It’s hardly in the same league as working as a magician’s assistant. You really are a soured and spiteful little man-you can only build yourself up by putting other people down. If you have to put down someone for being a student nurse for 18 months, you must have accomplished very little in your own life, and you deserve pity as well as contempt, you poor, sad , shrivel-hearted little nobody. We never hear of anything that you have done, only sneers at what others-mainly me, for reasons known only to yourself-have done.

            • Blazer

               /  March 7, 2017

              @KC…you never hear what I have ‘done’ because this is an inter active forum for discussion about topics of interest.This is often the problem,its about the message not the messenger.Alot of peoples favourite subject is themselves,telling people how wonderful they are.Anonymous people can claim anything they want to….who cares?Chatter and banter has many alternative outlets.Its not all about …YOU,so don’t make assumptions and draw spurious conclusions.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  March 7, 2017

              I know a guy who once played Spassky in Zurich

            • PDB

               /  March 7, 2017

              Don’t worry Kitty, I enjoy hearing stories from your own life experiences – sure beats negative Nancy Blazer any day of the year.

            • Nelly Smickers

               /  March 7, 2017

              Wayne had a magician mate of his put on the act at his *Stag Party*. He ended up getting divorced not long after……his wife found out he had been sawing another woman 😡

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 7, 2017

    Probably should have posted this here.

    Of the 1000 domestic terrorism investigations, 300 involve refugees:
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/06/300-refugees-subjects-fbi-terror-investigations-u-s-officials-say.html

  6. Zedd

     /  March 7, 2017

    There are two points that seem to be ‘falling under the radar’:

    1) why isn’t Saudi Arabia on the list ? supposedly many ‘terrorist’ inc. 911 bombers came from there.

    2) none of the ‘muslim nations’ that Mr T has ‘business ties’ in, are on his ‘hit list’ either.. pls explain sir !

    again it looks like, Mr T may well have SOME ‘alternative facts’ ??? :/

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 7, 2017

      2. is straightforward. The countries on the list are those with no functioning Government that can provide proper documentation and security. Exactly those countries where no sane person would want to be investing and doing business.

      1. Doesn’t meet the criteria above. Certainly should be subject to extreme vetting despite that.

      • Blazer

         /  March 7, 2017

        so how come Iraq is not on the…list?

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  March 7, 2017

        or North Korea…

        or Chechnya…

        or Pakistan…

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 7, 2017

          Surely you could answer these yourself with a moment’s thought?

          • Blazer

             /  March 7, 2017

            you stated the criteria…Al.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 7, 2017

              One could, but one would hope that one was wrong in coming to the conclusion that Trump’s business interests were involved. Yeah, right.

  7. The reality is that the techniques for counter-terrorism and counterinsurgency operations have now moved into an entirely new dimension that I label as” Counter-Jihad operations”.

    It is instructive that the Saudi King, now holidaying in Bali, called upon Indonesia on Monday to join with Soudi Arabia to counter Islamic Terrorism wherever it is.

    The Wahhabi doctrine is against the moderate Indonesian Muslim’s majority doctrine and Indonesia is active in scrutinising the activities of the Wahhabi Ulama in Indonesia who are paid for by Saudi money.

    Given that a significant number of Indonesian fanatics have gone to the Middle-East to answer the ISIS call, Australia will be having wallabies over the potential threat from the largest Muslim country when the volunteers return.

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