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9 March 2017

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  1. Corky

     /  March 9, 2017

    Talk about a juggernaut that bodes ill for humanity( and saving your own seeds)

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37361556

    • Pickled Possum

       /  March 9, 2017

      Will saving our heritage seeds, be a shit fight in the future …
      Will Bayer-Monsanto think they own All seeds.
      Will B-M sue the country that fights their juggernaut?

      $66 billion is cheap, to change a name that brings fear to the greenflies.
      Yates is now owned by Bayer-Monsanto
      Bayer Monsanto are alive in Pukekohe.

      Bayer will have control of more than 25% of the world’s supply of seeds and pesticides,
      Frankenstein Monsanto has created a money making beast.

  2. Nelly Smickers

     /  March 9, 2017

    Among calls to “kill her”. “shoot her”, “put her to death “, this Muslim girl in the *UK* apologizes for *Twerking in her Hijab*….Wayne reckons we won’t see *Miley* converting to Islam any time soon 😄

    [CAUTION: video contains images that some may find disturbing]

    [The above square bracket comment may appear as if I added it – I didn’t. As has been made clear before disturbing images are not usually appropriate here. Because of the misleading ‘caution’ I’m not even going to check it out. PG]

    • Missy

       /  March 9, 2017

      Pete, I think you were jumping the gun in removing the video if it is the one I am thinking of, it wasn’t offensive, and just showed a girl dancing with her friend to the music of a busker in the street in Birmingham.

      However, she has been vilified by Muslim men – and women – for her behaviour, many have said that she should not behave in that manner when wearing a hijab, seriously?? She is a British girl in a supposedly free country, and she is being condemned for the way she is behaving because she disrespects the hijab – and so many apologists say it is not an oppressive garment.

      If that was the video Nelly put up then I support her in putting it up – what this girl did is not that bad, and what she gets is death threats because of what she is wearing. For all those who claim that women in Islam are not oppressed or controlled by men then remember it is the MEN that started the threats against this young woman.

      Nelly – perhaps no caution next time. 😉

    • Nelly Smickers

       /  March 9, 2017

      To be fair PG, I was only thinking about *the feelings and sensibilities of any Muslim readers or commenters* who may visit this site……thank you sooo much for clarifying this Missy

      • Missy

         /  March 9, 2017

        You are welcome Nelly.

        To be honest I briefly thought about posting about it when it first hit the media here, but to be honest these types of stories about young Muslim women receiving death threats from Muslim men because they don’t behave how the men want them to are quite common – especially in local papers – so I didn’t really see it as anything different.

        This is very common here, despite Britain being a western, democratic, and equal society, Muslim Men still control the way women behave through violence, or the threat of violence.

        • Nelly Smickers

           /  March 9, 2017

          Give it time I guess Missy and it will be common here as well. Just like you, we’ll also see it as *nothing different* 😡

          Loving all your UK reports ❗

          • Missy

             /  March 9, 2017

            I hope it never becomes common in NZ Nelly, it is sad that so many don’t stand up for these young women.

            Glad you enjoy the reports. I will admit to a bit of a posting frenzy today. 🙂

            • I’m sorry to say this Nelly and Missy, but men controlling women using violence is common here already …

              It isn’t coming because of Muslims …

            • Missy

               /  March 9, 2017

              PZ, I realise I wasn’t quite explicit enough in what I meant.

              I realise that there is a serious issue with men controlling women with violence in all societies, the main issue with it in the Muslim communities in London is that it is not confined to the family unit / situation as you will find in countries in NZ. Here with the situations I am talking about is where Muslim men who are complete strangers, or mere acquaintances, or from the mosque feels it is his right to control a woman by using violence and the threat of violence for them to conform to the man’s view of their religion. That is not the same.

              I have witnessed Muslim men harassing and threatening young Muslim women in the street about their behaviour or the way they are dressed because it is not ‘Muslim’, and often it is men that are passing acquaintances or complete strangers. It is a cultural thing.

            • Very good clarification and EXTREMELY GOOD POINT … thanks Missy …

              I do think something ‘subterranean’ but similar to this may happen in certain communities and sub-cultures where men (especially but not exclusively) condone or encourage their peers’ gender violence …

              But it isn’t explicit like your Muslim examples and probably impossible to either quantify or qualify …

              Worth us looking into though, in the greater scheme of things …?

          • Nelly Smickers

             /  March 9, 2017

            Maybe we live in *different suburbs* do you thnk, Parti ❓

            • It might be demographic Nelly … financial, provincial &/or ethnic …

              Or maybe we live in different thicknesses of cocoon?

              Different degrees of eye-openness …?

      • Pickled Possum

         /  March 9, 2017

        @Nelly Right on… we don’t want to offend the fragile sensibilities of different peeps that read here, even if they can and do worse!

        @Missy Thanks for clarifying that , it would have driven me Insane!!??
        not knowing what the video was about. 🙂

        Woman who cook clean and nurture children treated like second rate citizens in many cultures just about as funni as a Negro woman bringing up a Southern belles children.
        gotta laff at that one.

        • Missy

           /  March 9, 2017

          Hey PP,

          no worries on the clarification. 🙂

          You are right about the treatment of women who look after the home and children, but what really makes me angry is that other women are treating them as second class citizens because they don’t have a career, like they are less than other women.

          Maybe I will get around to writing a rant post for Pete on modern day feminism, there has been so much debate lately in the UK about it, but I just get so angry thinking about it – and not in favour of modern day feminists! I am an old fashioned feminist to be honest – equal opportunities, having choices, and being respected for the choices they make. Simple really.

          Mini rant over. 🙂

          • Tau toko Possum’s comment and your mini rant Missy …

            The greatest unrecognised and unacknowledged social welfare is the ‘career’ home-making, childrearing and caregiving largely done by women – which comprises a great deal of what we loosely call “community” – often in combination with a paid-work career as well …

            This is not to denigrate in any way the childrearing and financial input of men as fathers in committed relationships and sole parents …

            I’d be very interested to read your analysis of modern-day feminism Missy …

            • Missy

               /  March 9, 2017

              PZ, I am not sure it is an analysis, more like my views on it all. I am by no means an expert. .

            • That’s pretty much a description of all of us on here Missy …

              In the same sense that everyone’s an artist, everyone’s an expert IMHO.

              That’s why I’m here reading others “views” and opinions …

              Hope you write your feminist tract, treatise or dissertation.

            • Missy

               /  March 9, 2017

              Thanks Parti.

          • Pickled Possum

             /  March 9, 2017

            Missy an old fashioned feminist in a modern day dress.
            Love your very easy to follow and informative comments and would love to hear your say on Feminism Today. Not many if any Sane views on that particular subject is heard, its usually a Loud silence preceded by a LOUD Bang.

            • Missy

               /  March 9, 2017

              Thanks PP. I will see what I can come up with over the next week or so and see if Pete will put it off. 🙂

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 9, 2017

    Was chatting to a friend this morning who told me that in rural German villages up to fifty years ago a widow had to wear black with a head cover for a year exactly after her husband died. She also had to wear a veil for a week (if I recall right) after his death. I also saw old ladies wearing black in Greece a couple of decades ago.

    • Good point Alan … And on another topic concerning teens and sex we’ve been talking about peer pressure, social expectations, changing social mores and the need, desire and media-generated-want to be popular … and media role-models …

      It transpires these can be pressures to behave badly and even do harm …

      Muslims [and other traditional cultures] might perhaps be forgiven for attempting to preserve what they see as their daughters’ and childrens’ “safety”? [I’m not saying they’re not patriarchal and even misogynist … just that that’s not ALL they are?]

      Families do it … Extended families do it … Whanau do it (I dare say) …. ‘Communities’ like Gloriavale do it …

      Who doesn’t do it might be a more pertinent question …?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 9, 2017

        I was going to mention Gloriavale-and it’s not alone.

        Many Muslim girls walk around in jeans & other Western clothes as well as the hijab, and I have yet to see anyone harassing them over their clothes-there are not many days when I don’t see Muslims in the street or supermarket. The known harassment comes from a silly man who thinks that it’s his right to tell them that their clothes are a sign of female slavery, thus displaying intolerance that he, as a middle-aged gay man, would no doubt not have appreciated himself, the hypocrite.

        Muslim schoolgirls wear a long school uniform skirt (as do many NZ schoolgirls) and hijab in the school uniform colour. No problem there. I see Muslim shopworkers also wearing the shop uniform colour-as Sikhs do with their turbans at work.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 9, 2017

          I woonder what would have happened if the German widow had left off the veil a day early by mistake. I think that Greek widows may still wear black (?)

  4. PDB

     /  March 9, 2017

    On this day in music history ‘Boston’ lead vocalist Brad Delp committed suicide…….http://ultimateclassicrock.com/brad-delp-suicide-lawsuit/

    http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1053830/delp-suicide-note-i-am-a-lonely-soul

    Seriously underrated vocalist, possibly due to how clinical Boston were in their music making thus detracting somewhat from the vocal and not allowing him to experiment more with his voice.

    • Pickled Possum

       /  March 9, 2017

      Yep gotta agree with you there PDB
      While somethings need not be known to the adoring public, I bet that Tom Scholz can now sleep at nights cos not every one hates him … much … any more.

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 9, 2017

    Hosing down in a deluge with thunder up here at the moment. Power has been off and on again half a dozen times already. It will be surprising if we don’t get a major outage over the next 24 hrs.

    • Pickled Possum

       /  March 9, 2017

      Yea you poor buggas, hooked up to the main grid … meanwhile at home the windmill turns fast to make up for the No sun bouncing off the solar panels but power we have and lots of it.
      I have to say life is quieter No (harmonious spheres?) or is that electrical noise, when you aren’t hooked up to the money hungry power companies.
      Raining in big bursts and then great winds but still hot enough for my daisy duke shorts. With percussion from God; that thunder is Loud.
      Time for a lie down to listen to the rain falling on the tin roof.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 9, 2017

        Me too, Possum. That rain on the roof is loud. I can hardly hear my wife chatting away next to me. My nervous dog is downstairs hiding from the thunder but the little one doesn’t care and is curled up on the other sofa. Hoping I don’t have to go out to the cabins to fetch my generator.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 9, 2017

          Poor doggy-give him a cuddle from me and tell him that my dog is terrified of loud thunder and really bright lightning, too.I pitied the poor thing last night, having to go outside for a pee.

          We had rain forecast for today, but it didn’t come, it’s been sunny and warm all day. Hamilton had 65mm yesterday-well. in the 24 hours-3 times as much in a day as normally falls in the month to date. We had wind too, and I had to do some first aid to part of the fence with rope, hooks and ties-it looks slightly odd, but would have looked much odder lying flat. It’s amazing what you can do when you really have to.

          My front door must have shrunk, the wind was blowing in that direction and coming in at the side.

          I don’t know how long our power cut went on, it was like it when I woke up.A few hours, I think. How awful for the workers, out in that !

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  March 9, 2017

            The thunder and lightening was continuous for about an hour. My stepdaughter gave her rescue remedy to calm her down but she is fine now. Appetite excellent tonight.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 9, 2017

              Dog rescue remedy ? How well does it work ? I once had Rescue drops, felt hideously sick (but wasn’t sick) and fainted in the street-how embarrassing- I must be allergic.We don’t usually have thunder and lightning for as long as that, thank goodness. As I don’t have curtains-choice, not poverty-and only slat blinds in the bedroom, the house is well lit up. In our other house, a clap of thunder was so close that I thought that the house had been hit-terrifying. It was a brick house, and it seemed to shake.I was expecting the chimney to have been hit, it was what I imagine being in a bombing raid to be like. We once saw an extreme nature programme where two climbers had been on a cliff when thunder and lightning began. They said it was utterly terrifying-there was nowhere to go-it was all around them, extremely close and the smell of sulphur was really strong-what they imagined Hell to be like.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  March 9, 2017

    From Farrars blog i thought how can this be all New Zealanders are druggies, YOU ARE?? not me i like a beer,BILLY ENGLISH mantra is imported slave labour as ALL NZs are dak, P fiends so the youth is heading towards a drug fall according to bill english and national…
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/an_industrious_15_year_old.html

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 9, 2017

      Can’t you just be happy for this kid, Lurch? It’d be better for your physical and mental health.

      • lurcher1948

         /  March 9, 2017

        OUR PM(billy soon to lose the election) with no real proof has label young NZs as druggies as his farmer mates want to bring in slaves and pay them shit.

    • Corky

       /  March 9, 2017

      Top marks for trying, Lurchy. I’m sure somewhere in your post is something of relevance.
      Lets have a competition to see who finds it first. I tap out. Alan goes one up.

      • Exaggerated by an experience I had ‘in committee’ the other day where whanau lost and pakeha ‘community’ won, I consider it next-to-impossible that anybody can be in a governance position without bringing both their personal AND ethno-social-group agendas to bear … Mostly that’s actually WHY they’re involved …

        Hence I’m very much with Lurcher on this one and I find your comment very relevant indeed Lurch.

        In the long-view cheap immigrant labour is under threat from re-emerging nationalism and “protectionism” – the desire to first assist one’s own people – and, as corporate puppet-managers of economies, governments must move to maintain the sanctity of this last remaining decreasable production input – labour – all others having already been ‘dirt cheapened’ – for the good of ‘productivity & efficiency’ …

        The wide edge of this wedge may be the abolition of a minimum wage …?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 9, 2017

        Bill English has said nothing that bears any resemblance to Lurchy’s ravings. Proof of his farmer mates using slave labour will be hard to find-good luck trying, though, Lurchy.

        Here is a kid who’s so unlike most of us at that age that it’s unbelievable-and he’s not some goody-good, he’s a nice boy with it. How lovely for him that what he loves doing is also what will make a good living for him. I suspect that his bank balance bears no resemblance to mine at 15 (even if mine was adjusted for inflation) Lurchy’s small-mindedness is pathetic. I’d hate him to have read about the young (she was then 19, I seem to remember)and he was in his early 20s) married couple who owned their own house. They had a baby, too. They did have the advantage of him being a builder, but even so, it was an achievement.

        • Regarding the 15 y.o. boy Miss Kitty, Lurcher is using a thing called juxtaposition … and he’s using it quite pointedly IMHO …

          Check out these –

          “A woman has admitted a scam in which more than 1000 Filipinos working on dairy farms paid thousands of dollars for fraudulent visas.”

          http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/83235642/Dairy-worker-visa-fraudster-pleads-guilty-to-284-charges

          “[Feds spokesperson] Hoggard said he understood that if Filipinos who had “fudged” details in their CVs admitted so, they would be granted leniency and allowed to stay.

          “If these people are being employed and are being paid correctly – [and there have been several cases of them not being] – and if there is wrongdoing but if they admit to that fudging, then they stay on.”

          I wonder if similar leniency is shown Kiwi workers? I wonder if similar time and money is spent on training Kiwi workers as importing Filipinos?

          http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/76483007/Filipinos-deported-but-foreign-labour-still-needed-on-dairy-farms

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 9, 2017

            I can’t really see any connection between the two stories; one is too small a sample to prove anything, and this boy is not a worker, he’s his own boss.

            The two things that you raise are too vague and one would have to compare like with like.

            • Oh Jeez Miss Kitty …

              The original two stories posted by Lurcher were … 1) Bill English saying young Kiwis are unemployable druggies … reiterating ShonKeys similar statements from last year … and 2) The industrious 15 year old boy story … that’s JUXTAPOSITION …

              Lurcher then proposed a possible ulterior motive for English’s statements about Kiwi youth … the very Kiwi youth successive governments claim to want to provide employment opportunities for … which is the maintenance of cheap immigrant labour … in his case farm labour …

              I have heard stories on RNZ of Filipino dairy workers being “required” to work longer than contract hours and doing so because they don’t know their rights and are terrified of losing their jobs … of being replaced by other readily available immigrant workers …

              By working longer hours their true rate of hourly remuneration goes down to “slave” levels …

              I posted a couple of links with examples of fraudulent activity within the immigrant labour market … including an admission by Fed Farmers that some of it is “granted leniency” … Do we grant leniency to New Zealand youth who take drugs?

              One doesn’t have to compare like with like at all … not on here …

              One needs only make a convincing argument … unless one is appealing to raw emotion or prejudice …

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 9, 2017

              Neither of the two said that all Kiwi workers are druggies, or even most.

              It’s John Key.

              There are times when comparing unrelated circumstances is meaningless. And unless one knows whether a or b happens, there’s little point. Who knows how much ‘leniency’ is granted to drug users ? Unless one does, there’s no point in trying to make a comparison.

              The majority of NZ workers are unlikely to be druggies or production would plummet. Finding one who isn’t and acting as if this is the exception is silly, he obviously isn’t, any more than a taxi driver who doesn’t leap on women passengers is. We know that some do this, and some workers take drugs, but unless we know more detail, discussion is meaningless.

  7. Corky

     /  March 9, 2017

    When will the idiot West stop pandering to Islam? Have Nike forgotten the Jew hating racism some Muslim athletes have shown?

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/08/nike-launches-hijab-for-female-muslim-athletes

    I have a better idea…why don’t Nike invest in a one -way shuttle service for Islam to Mars.
    The saved future suffering of mankind would be immeasurable. Hell,I could even forgive Nike for charging me $300 for a pair of trainers that cost $1.50 to make. Be good corporate citizens. Nike….HELP SAVE THE WEST.!!!!

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mission-to-mars-2049-a-family-board-game#/

    • Yeah Corky … or maybe Muslims could stop working for a pittance in the West’s sweatshops to produce Nike trainers for you …?

      What are you training for anyway?
      To run fast when the Muslim uprising or invasion comes?

      • Corky

         /  March 9, 2017

        Yeah, maybe they would like to go back to eating grass. They don’t have to work for Whitey.

        What are you training for anyway?

        1) To keep fit 2) Probably to save soft effete liberals like you when the mozzies come…on second thoughts I’ll leave you to reason with Abdul.

        • @ Corky – “They don’t have to work for Whitey.”

          Convince me … ?

          https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-sweatshops

          This is predictable – https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/sweatshops-make-poor-people-better-off

          “Compared to what?” makes it all right eh? God knows what Von Mises and Rothbard would come up with, although we know they’re kinda fond of slavery … “The slave owner takes all the risk …” and that sort of stuff …

          http://www.theworldcounts.com/counters/modern_day_slavery_facts/sweatshops_conditions

          Run Corky … run …

          • Corky

             /  March 9, 2017

            ”And what do workers themselves think of sweatshops, given not just wages but other non-monetary compensation as well? Using field interviews with thirty-one sweatshop workers in El Salvador, David, Emily, Brian and Erin Skarbek found that “workers perceive factory employment to provide more desirable compensation along several margins.”

            As usual, post anything and hope it looks impressive.

            Son, you are too young with no real world experience. Get out of your bedroom.

            • Or in your case Corky, post some psychodelic surrealism and hope it obfuscates your BS …

              Note how above I posted the Adam Smith Institute opinion to balance the discussion … They are hide-bound by their philosophy to excuse and justify the violation of workers’ rights and human rights … because its good for advanced capitalist economies to do so …

              However, from 11 facts … “In developing countries, an estimated 168 million children ages 5 to 14 are forced to work.”

              But GOSH … you’re prepared to accept a sample size of THIRTY ONE sweatshop workers … Wow Corky … DIG that hole brother …!!!

              “Child labor is especially common in agriculture (98 million, or 59% of child laborers work in agriculture), followed by services (54 million) and industry (12 million).

              Sweatshops do not alleviate poverty. The people who are forced to work must spend the majority of their paycheck on food for their families to survive.

              A study showed that doubling the salary of sweatshop workers would only increase the consumer cost of an item by 1.8%, while consumers would be willing to pay 15% more to know a product did not come from a sweatshop.”

          • Corky

             /  March 9, 2017

            However, from 11 facts … “In developing countries, an estimated 168 million children ages 5 to 14 are forced to work

            By who?

  8. Another religious minority accused of terror and abuse:

    The ‘cover-up that allowed children to be beaten for years in secretive evangelical church’: Ministers diverted at least six investigations into abuse, ex-members claim
    – Word of Faith Fellowship in Spindale, North Carolina attracted followers from around the world who were searching for ‘inner peace and eternal life’
    – Dozens of former congregants say they were subjected to years of terror and abuse, including punching, beatings, and other forms of torture
    – Crying babies were even ‘vigorously shaken and smacked’ as a means of ‘banishing demons’
    – Victims allege the church’s leaders covered up their crimes by forcing them to lie and denying them outside medical care for their conditions
    – The church’s leader, Jane Whaley, allegedly told her victims that ‘God would strike them dead if they betrayed her or her church’

    At least a half-dozen times over two decades, authorities investigated reports that members of a secretive evangelical church were being beaten.

    And every time, according to former congregants, the orders came down from church leaders: They must lie to protect the sect.

    Among the members of the Word of Faith Fellowship who coached congregants and their children on what to say to investigators were two assistant district attorneys and a veteran social worker, the ex-followers told The Associated Press.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4279806/Ex-sect-members-tell-AP-Prosecutors-obstructed-abuse-cases.htm

    Those who abuse power by abusing followers is not limited to one religion and never has been.

    When will the West stop pandering to crank Christians?

    • MaureenW

       /  March 9, 2017

      All religions are about brainwashing minions. Flocks, sheep, congregations, followers – all terms suggest one thing to me.

    • Corky

       /  March 9, 2017

      What’s the ratio of crank Christians to crank Muslims. Pete?

  9. Conspiratoor

     /  March 9, 2017

    Trump’s masterful plan to liquidate isis goes into action. The new CiC puts boots on the ground in Syria. Notable for two reasons – the Pentagon has hesitated to use conventional forces in Syria in the past and it’s a signal Trump has handed over combat decisions to his military commanders, unlike his dithering predecessor who liked to micromanage

    “A couple hundred of Marines deployed to Syria with heavy artillery guns in preparation to force ISIS out of Raqqa, according to an AP report. The Marines will establish an outpost from which they can fire artillery guns, the Washington Post reports.”

    • Conspiratoor

       /  March 9, 2017

      Should have been posted in US discussion

    • Good evening Vietnam!?

      A couple of hundred marines will become a couple of thousand … then a couple of hundred thousand …

      The American economy will appear to boom on the back of the arms industry …

      Boys will come home mutilated or in body bags …

      And, no doubt, those military commanders you so admire will call upon their Allies to make the world safe for democracy …

      In a few years, something even more grotesque and horrific than ISIS … if that’s possible … will emerge from the bombed out rubble …

      • Conspiratoor

         /  March 9, 2017

        Not this time sunshine. Uncle Sam’s got smart bombs and the bad guys got nowhere to run. Apocalypse now

        • Oh … Right …. Conspiratoor … smart bombs … yeah ….

          That must be why they’ve deployed a couple of hundred marines “with heavy artillery guns” …?

          • Conspiratoor

             /  March 9, 2017

            Excalibur parti. This is the 21st century. Keep up

            • I’ll never willingly keep up with war Constipatoor …

              We’ve seen the Yanks “precision bombing” … including of wedding parties, children, hospitals and innocent gatherings of people …

              They always claim to have or BE Excalibur … and the collateral damage goes on … the body bags keep piling up … and the survivable injuries get more-and-more horrendous …

  10. Blazer

     /  March 9, 2017

    Bobbie…a real ..beauty..

  11. Corky

     /  March 9, 2017

    The weakl West at its worst; Liberal pandering and poor immigration policies equals innocent people getting hurt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

  12. Perhaps we should clean up our own backyard first Corky, before worrying about dear old England? NeoLiberal squandering and poor, purchased or foreign-forced immigration policies – the permeable borders of globalisation – equals innocent people getting hurt … but no-one’s really investigated the extent of it …

    There are countless stories of exploitation of particularly Asian women and girls in the prostitution industry here … and legalisation appears to have hardly altered the situation …

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/6119951/Black-side-of-citys-sex-industry

    “The number of foreign prostitutes in Auckland has jumped in the last three years, as young Chinese students look for a fast way to make money.” (2006)

    Should read: The number of foreign prostitutes in Auckland and New Zealand has jumped in the last three DECADES, as young Chinese and Asian visitors, tourists, students and overstayers – many effectively slaves – look for or are forced into a fast and soul destroying way to make money.

    http://www.stopdemand.org/afawcs0153418/CATID=19/ID=336/SID=520020244/NZ-Chinese-students-take-on-sex-for-cash-Aucklan.html

    • patupaiarehe

       /  March 9, 2017

      The number of foreign prostitutes in Auckland and New Zealand has jumped in the last three DECADES, as young Chinese and Asian visitors, tourists, students and overstayers – many effectively slaves – look for or are forced into a fast and soul destroying way to make money.

      One could look at it another way PZ. Perhaps a few attractive young asian students, have found an entirely legal way to supplement their income….They pay far more than a Kiwi, in tuition fees, so every little bit extra helps…

      • Might be true of some patu, but many are peasant or slum girls ‘recruited’ in their home countries – some sold by their own parents – indentured by airfare, work visa, accommodation and ‘commission’ [read protection] charges and worked long hours in horrendous slave-like conditions right here in Aotearoa NZ …

        I’ll try to find links and post them tomorrow … There are people who have devoted their lives to “rescuing” these women …

        • patupaiarehe

           /  March 10, 2017

          I look forward to reviewing them PZ. Obviously in my situation, I have not had an ‘experience’ with a ‘student’, so only know what I am told by others…

        • Blazer

           /  March 10, 2017

          I think you will find you are way wrong on this one.The majority enter the trade on their own volition.There are some taken advantage of,but a small minority.The usual capitalist imperative reigns……debt….you now have to pay it off…..passport with held until you do.

  13. patupaiarehe

     /  March 9, 2017

    Please forgive me for this one! In my defence, I’m trying to learn how to play bass… 😀