Hager book release today

Nicky Hager’s book release starts at 5:00pm today. There is likely top be plenty of media attention and coverage.

Live tweeting:

The Daily Blog say they will live stream it: TDB will livestream the release of the new Nicky Hager book, 5pm Tuesday.

Some suggested topics are the Police, spy agencies, Panama related trusts and John Key.

News coming out of the launch now – Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson coauthored the book Hit and Run

his is the latest from Vernon Small at the launch:

“Hager says it covers a dark and secret part of NZ history. Some from the military wanted it told.

“They and their colleagues went against something NZ should stand for, that amounted to war crimes.”

“The story is about the SAS in Afghanistan.

“The book is what happened for the days after the first NZ death in Bamiyan. They prepared a raid on two isolated villages.

“A call was made to Prime Minister John Key to approve the raid, and he gave the green light, Hager said.”

It is something that’s obviously important to Hager but I think a few hoping it would be an election blockbuster may be disappointed.

More from Stuff’s live feed:

Nicky Hager’s latest book,co-authored with Jon Stephenson – Hit and Run

  • It details NZ SAS raids on villages in Afghanistan.
  • Prime Minister John Key gave the green light for a raid on two isolated villages, Hager said.
  • But the go ahead was based on flimsy intelligence, he alleges.
  • Following SAS attacks on the villages saw 6 killed and 15 injured.

Stuff Live: Author Nicky Hager unveils new political book

It’s not a book I’m likely to purchase or read.

Stuff: This is a sheet of media commentary, prepared by Hager’s team.

It’s headlined: Denials made to the media about civilian deaths (2010 – 2014)

ISAF Joint Command: “No civilians were injured or killed during this operation”

– ‘Numerous insurgents killed and weapons recovered’, news release 2010-08- CA-266, 23 August 2010, Kabul, Afghanistan.

New Zealand Defence Force: “Following the operation allegations of civilian casualties were made. These were investigated by a joint Afghan Ministry of Defence, Ministry of Interior and International Security Assistance Force assessment team, in accordance with ISAF procedures. The investigation concluded that the allegations of civilian casualties were unfounded”

– ‘NZ Defence Force operations in Bamiyan on 22 August 2010’, media release, 20 April 2011.

Defence minister Wayne Mapp: “That’s been investigated and proven to be false…. I am satisfied around that”

– Wayne Mapp asked about civilian casualties, Q+A, Television New Zealand, 24 April 2011.

It will be interesting to see if he has anything to say about

John Key: “My understanding is that after a thorough review of the CDF [Chief of Defence Force] at the weekend, he is very confident that the New Zealand Defence Force version of events is correct…. They say there were insurgents that were killed, but that was it”

– John Key on TV3 Firstline, 1 July 2014.

The New Zealand Defence Force: “The NZDF stands by its statement made on 20 April 2011 [above] and will not be making further comment.”

– New Zealand Defence Force, statement to Maori Television Service, 30 June 2014.

Defence minister Jonathan Coleman: “What I would emphasise is New Zealanders were not involved – and that’s categorical – in any civilian casualties or deaths”

– Jonathan Coleman in Stacey Kirk, ‘Categorical: ‘NZ troops did not kill civilians’, Stuff, 1 July 2014.

Defence minister Jonathan Coleman asked by reporters if coalition forces had killed civilians during the raid: “There is no evidence that they did.”

– Jonathan Coleman, New Zealand Herald, 1 July 2014.

John Key: “We don’t discuss the detail of SAS operations, but what we do say categorically is that no New Zealand soldier was involved in killing civilians”

– John Key in Ripeka Timutimu, ‘Key denies SAS involvement in civilian deaths in Afghanistan’,

Maori Television Service, 1 July 2014.

So there is a significant political aspect.

I think it will now take a while to have this properly analysed and checked against alternate claims and denials.

Interesting from Stacey Kirk:

Hager has just said he suspects himself and Stephenson actually know far more than what John Key was ever told about the raid before approving it.

He understood Key was not given the full picture, but Hager also said the buck stops with the PM.

He hopes Bill English will take a step back, as he’s not culpable for this.

Political reporter Jo Moir has just filed this:

The New Zealand Defence Force have been approached for a statement in light of Hager and Stephenson’s book launch. A spokeswoman said it was too early to comment at this stage.

Labour has also been contacted about the revelations but were still busy collecting information from the launch before anyone would comment.

As I said, it will take a while to digest and check all of the details.

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114 Comments

  1. PDB

     /  March 21, 2017

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    • Trevors_elbow

       /  March 21, 2017

      Is St. Nick a deep cover operative for the Right?… /sarc

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      • PDB

         /  March 21, 2017

        I like this poll on stuff;

        What’s your favorite Nicky Hager book?

        66% – Never read any of his books.
        11% – who is Nicky Hager?

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  2. Corky

     /  March 21, 2017

    Son of a Slug…can’t wait till 5pm. No doubt PM Billy English has been briefed. What toe- raggery will Hager come up with this time? Unreported government deals? No problem, the worst that can happen is National will only lose the election. Nothing to worry about.

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    • PDB

       /  March 21, 2017

      Hot favorite on twitter is that it’s something to do with media corruption………..possibly from big business…..

      English no doubt is more worried his preferred PM rating is down to 25% in today’s poll.

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      • Corky

         /  March 21, 2017

        Which poll?

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        • PDB

           /  March 21, 2017

          Newshub-Reid out later today in full – also Roy Morgan out yesterday which I’ve just posted about in today’s Media watch thread…..

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  3. My guess is US politics and dirty works at the cross roads. Feeds a bigger school of fish!

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  4. Nelly Smickers

     /  March 21, 2017

    For those who missed it yesterday, the title

    M_______________A

    Live @ 5

    😎

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    • PDB

       /  March 21, 2017

      One word or more?

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    • Gezza

       /  March 21, 2017

      That is such a weird title. I bet it’s not that Nellers. Very exciting though. If I’m free at the time I might watch on TDB’s live link for a few minutes. Then I’ll check out the better critiques & commentaries when they become available. I expect PG will keep us up with play there. Possibly Al, or he might just do the slogan stuff.

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      • Anonymous Coward

         /  March 21, 2017

        He won’t read it that’s for sure.

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        • Gezza

           /  March 21, 2017

          Probably neither will I. I probably won’t need to. The relevant good bits should be all over net pretty quickly.

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    • PDB

       /  March 21, 2017

      You’ll be getting Zedd all excited for nothing Nelly with that clue………..

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    • Anonymous Coward

       /  March 21, 2017

      Oh Lorde Nelly.

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    • PDB

       /  March 21, 2017

      Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson coauthored the book Hit and Run………Nelly

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  5. Gezza

     /  March 21, 2017

    I gave up. Couldn’t find the live link on TDB. I clicked on someting in a tweet by bomber but it needed me to download a periscope tv app or something.

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  6. Kevin

     /  March 21, 2017

    Hager shits on our SAS.

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    • PDB

       /  March 21, 2017

      Seems to be about civilian casualties in Afghanistan that occurred even though the defense force/govt said there were none.

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      • PDB

         /  March 21, 2017

        Stuff:

        It details NZ SAS raids on villages in Afghanistan. 
        Prime Minister John Key gave the green light for a raid on two isolated villages, Hager said. 
        But the go ahead was based on flimsy intelligence, he alleges.  
        Following SAS attacks on the villages saw 6 killed and 15 injured. 

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        • Kevin

           /  March 21, 2017

          Aaaaaaand perfectly timed for Key’s speech.

          I call bullshit on the whole thing.

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    • Blazer

       /  March 21, 2017

      SAS shits on the SAS ,and conniving Natz Govt.

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      • Kevin

         /  March 21, 2017

        No one shits on our military and gets away with it.

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        • Gezza

           /  March 21, 2017

          Rubbish. Our Governments have been doing it for decades.

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          • Kevin

             /  March 21, 2017

            Little’s promises to cut military spending will be one reason he won’t be PM after next election. Hell, he’ll be lucky to be even still leader of the Labour party.

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      • Nelly Smickers

         /  March 21, 2017

        Wayne just said he wont be buying it ❗

        He’s pretty sure he read a similar book a while back, it was called *Collateral Damage*

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  7. Bob

     /  March 21, 2017

    From what I have seen on the live feed…

    Military action in war zone goes to shit…

    Here’s a news flash for them… most all military action goes to shit as soon as the first shot is fired, intelligence is not perfect and often wrong, regrettably civilians do get hurt and killed, it’s a war not a tea party,

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    • Blazer

       /  March 21, 2017

      ‘get some…guts’…eh!

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    • Kevin

       /  March 21, 2017

      Pretty much. Usual Hager beat-up over nothing. Shame there’s not still the death penalty for treason.

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  8. Griff

     /  March 21, 2017

    Meh….

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  9. Gezza

     /  March 21, 2017

    Looks like my guess about what it was about was the one that was right on the button.

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  10. PDB

     /  March 21, 2017

    What we do know is that Dotcom and Bradbury are either liars or just make shit up (or both)…….

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    • Blazer

       /  March 21, 2017

      with qualifications like that they must be paid up members of the…National Party.

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  11. There is a standing instruction in the NZ Defence Force that used to be re-iterated in the compulsory training of soldiers in the Rules of War, that any incident that did not comply with the rules of war MUST be reported to the Senior Officer available and MUST be investigated by a Military Court of Inquiry. It is many years since I was a member of the New Zealand Committee for the Rules of Law that was headed by a highly qualified Legal Official. However I am absolutely certain that the same provisions apply some 30 odd years ago. If there is any soldier or former soldier alive that witnessed any conduct in war that disregarded the rules of war, then they are duty bound to report the circumstances to their Commander or the present Commander of the NZ Forces. I am more than happy to assist any former or present soldier who knows of problem areas in this situation to make the information known to the appropriate authorities.

    It grieves me that in this centennial year of WW1, the same person who did his best to neutralise the most important strategic asset that New Zealand has for it’s long term Defence namely the GCSB, and trash the 5 Eyes Agreement, now seems to be trying to establish a case against our NZSAS unit that is the eyes and ears of our Defence Force on the ground and the most effective anti-terrorist organisation NZ possesses. I wonder at Hager’s motivation. I understand his colleagues motivation though, and hope he has a full and satisfactory life. I have a greater love though for the relatives of those lost in action and for their sons and daughters. But hey, its all for the book ,and newspapers sales isn’t it? I hope I never have the opportunity to be in the same space as the authors and no doubt any former or present soldier feels the same.

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    • Kevin

       /  March 21, 2017

      Who knows his motivation. Hager is however I believe an anarchist and a communist, and is against those agencies of the State which help protect the State.

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      • Yes Kevin, But wait for the other Socialist rants from Blazer et al. I wrote to the Prime Minister in May last year and said this:
        ” do wonder if the time is not ripe to deal with the Hager Manifesto and his cabal of international socialists who are trying to change the democratic system in New Zealand. His intentions have been made clear in the Bruce Jesson Lecture on 3 October 2012. I personally am tired of seeing hypocritical behaviour by so-called investigative journalists who bad mouth New Zealand. Hager in particular should be taught a real lesson and be called upon to explain in open court his continued attacks on the established structure of this country. It is not within the Bill of Rights that any citizen has the right to actively act against the legal structure of Government. He should be prosecuted.”

        I hope that you do Google his Bruce Jesson speech, because it does confirm his Marxist plan for New Zealand. Red it, it is his words, and perhaps you will understand that I consider he lacks any academic merit,
        Thanks.

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        • Blazer

           /  March 21, 2017

          New Zealand as a country and a people are not bad mouthed,-self serving ,sell out politicians are ,naturally.Attacks on ..’ the established structure of this country.’…what the hell is that supposed to mean?Accept the born to rule and the wishes of the wealthy elite!This govt has ridden roughshod over so much protocol and treated legal process with so much contempt it beggars belief that they still have defenders who think they retain any sense of morality.

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          • Blazer, we know what you think. We do not subscribe to your view of New Zealand. WE are happy with most things, know what we need to work on. Pity you don;t get it and enjoy life. Have you ever said a positive thing over the last 3 years? Do you acknowledge the sacrifices of your elders, or is it all “wannabe?”. With significant contempt!!

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            • Blazer

               /  March 21, 2017

              the noble ‘we’…tell me..WTF we ..were doing in Afghanistan in the first…place?

            • Because the elected Government of New Zealand by a huge majority decided to send our troops. You exercised your vote and were obviously defeated. Soldiers etc fight wars, politicians make wars. The Government of the day makes the decision on the basis of national interest. Its called politics and life Blazer, but we know your grasp of reality is stuffed. Have another pill!

            • Blazer

               /  March 21, 2017

              because they decided that NZ was an an obedient …American lapdog.How many Parliamentarians relations went?

            • I don’t know Blazer, do you? I do know Phil Goff cried about his US relative KIA. Crocodile tears that did not wash away his spit on our ex-Vietnam soldiers during their return toNZ and brandished the enemy flag. In another time he would have been shot for treason. Bring back the death penalty!

          • Blazer, did you go to Afghanistan? No, because you are a socialist left wing wimp without the balls to stand up and fight for freedom. But sleep well Blazer, the adults who do the thing will sort it out for you. Oh time to change your nappies.

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            • Blazer

               /  March 21, 2017

              fighting for freedom!in Afghanistan,too much propaganda.

            • PDB

               /  March 21, 2017

              Just because you choose to do your fighting Blazer………………jostling in line whilst picking up your benefit……..

            • Blazer

               /  March 21, 2017

              sorry to disapoint you PDB,I am not a burden on the taxpayer like both your [ok, too much personal dissing – PG] friends.Have you decided whether you have a ‘job’ or are self employed…yet?

            • duperez

               /  March 21, 2017

              Notions of socialism are commonly rubbished in New Zealand. The predominant idea is that the capitalist philosophy should prevail.

              It occurs to me now that that the socialist ideology suddenly gains importance when capitalists want their want of life to be protected. Suddenly we’re all in it together.

            • Blazer

               /  March 21, 2017

              @PG…note…this is ad verbatim how PDB described both his good friends.

    • PDB

       /  March 21, 2017

      To be fair bj we need to hear the other side of the story before drawing any conclusions either way…….what we can assume however is that the authors have not asked the defense force, govt etc for their side of the story for balance.

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    • Missy

       /  March 21, 2017

      Good Comment BJMarsh.

      Talking to those I know who have served (many still serving) and have been deployed, the Defence Force has a robust and rigorous procedure with respect to setting out rules of engagement and the legal requirements for any and all deployments, (hence why a few years ago the Navy were unable to do anything about the whaling ships in the Southern Ocean – despite the Greens and others expecting them to), and all personnel are briefed and made aware of their legal obligations and requirements.

      Hager has no understanding of Military or Intelligence matters, I heard a few years ago he was challenged on whether he had any remorse for potentially putting NZers lives (military and civilian) at risk in his book Other People’s Wars – he denied he had done so, despite saying (correctly or incorrectly – I don’t know) that CIA agents were present at Kiwi Base in Bamian. He did not understand that by saying a Taliban high value target (American intelligence officers) increased the risk of attack on the NZers, and put all in the camp at risk, including any civilian aid workers helping the local populations.

      He is blinded by his own ideology and makes no attempt to understand what he is writing about.

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  12. Brown

     /  March 21, 2017

    “… 6 killed and 15 injured.”

    It must be about Feral domestic violence toward children.

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    • Brown your ignorance of active service operations is palpable. Don’t comment about things you have never experienced, lest you be labelled a “Wannabe”!

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      • Anonymous Coward

         /  March 21, 2017

        Settle down there Capt Mainwaring, can’t you spot humour?

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        • AC, that was NOT funny, Actually Capt Mainwaring did a lot more for freedom that you did, ever. but its TV, not real life. Ever been in conflict? I guess not from your pseudonym.

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          • Anonymous Coward

             /  March 21, 2017

            Most of us were too smart to join the Army. And anyway, all the stories you’ve told have you sitting in an office.
            Take your pills and calm down old man. Save your vitriol for the defence force snitch that went to two journalists, you probably know him.

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            • AC, I have no need to explain my active service to you or any one. I also have no intention of explaining my active service record to you. Your attempt to assert intellectual superiority to disguise your lack of courage demeans you. Yes, I have to take a lotof pain relief pills because I am 98% disabled owing to War Service. But fuck you mate, I am okay. Enjoy next ANZAC Day eh?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  March 21, 2017

              Colonel, you have served your country with distinction. Please take this in the spirit with which it is intended. ‘i’ cometh before ‘e’ but never after ‘c’. Cheers,c

  13. Corky

     /  March 21, 2017

    Finally, Nicky has put himself to bed. What a toe-rag. Is he ignorant of war and history? The Maori Battalion were notorious for never having a ‘prisoner problem.’ Collateral damage is part of war whether a mission is sanctioned, or off the books. The NZSAS have carried out ‘utu missions’ before. There’s nothing new here. So the mission went wrong….guess what Nick, that is common. And golly gee, JK gave the green light, so would I. To be fair to Hager, I will read his book and see if it contains stuff I don’t know. But from what I can see the only thing Hager got right was the cover of the book. Every liberal drip will look at that image and say ‘ it must be true…child killing SAS bastards.’

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    • Corky, that is the British Navy in action. We are only responsible for NZ soldiers, sailors and airmen’s actions. WE do not need any more videos of that sort here. We have had enough crap from you and Blazer!

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      • Anonymous Coward

         /  March 21, 2017

        Who’s ‘WE’? You can’t speak for anyone else.

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      • Corky

         /  March 21, 2017

        I was about to respond to you BJ as to why I posted that video. But I have just realised at best your were a pen pusher

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        • Blazer

           /  March 21, 2017

          give the Col some slack Corky….there is no doubt of either his service ,his sincerity or his commitment to ..New Zealand.

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          • Corky

             /  March 21, 2017

            So who is he..he could be Sadie the cleaning lady.? Unless I missed something he hasn’t presented his credentials to this forum. Therefore everything he says must be taken with a grain of salt in my opinion.

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            • Blazer

               /  March 21, 2017

              he has certainly presented his credentials ,is a long serving Col in the NZ army .an ambassador to Kiribati,and an advocate for the far north where he grew up.If he deserves respect from me,surely he does from you..your politics are ..aligned.

            • Corky

               /  March 21, 2017

              So what’s his name?

            • Blazer

               /  March 21, 2017

              B.J Marsh….funnily ..enough!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  March 21, 2017

              Not quite correct, B. But close. Rank of Major and last commander of V Force.

            • Gezza

               /  March 21, 2017

              No. Colonel (ret’d).

            • Gezza

               /  March 21, 2017

              “So what’s his name?”
              We don’t do doxing here.
              If the colonel wishes to disclose more information about himself than he does in his wordpress profile, that’s his perogative. I am happy to respect his wish not to. My research satisfies me as to his record.

            • Corky

               /  March 21, 2017

              That’s fine, Gezza. Who’s talking about doxing? The man insinuates he was in the army. That’s fine. But if he can’t identify himself, I’m afraid I’m not interested, and I take anything he says with a grain of salt.

            • Gezza

               /  March 21, 2017

              I know what you mean Corks. I do the same with anybody who doesn’t identify themself too. 👍

            • Gezza

               /  March 21, 2017

              I do the same with some people who DO identify themself too. Trumpy springs to mind. Evidence is the best.

            • Corky

               /  March 21, 2017

              Yes I know. But here’s my point that wouldn’t be a point if they got my point

              Corky / March 21, 2017

              So what’s his name?

              Blazer / March 21, 2017

              B.J Marsh….funnily ..enough!

              Alan Wilkinson / March 21, 2017

              Not quite correct, B. But close. Rank of Major and last commander of V Force.

              Son of a slug..someone got their lines wrong.lol And this from people who claim to know…pass my grain of salt.

            • Corky

               /  March 21, 2017

              Lol..scramble away, but too late. The script has been published.

        • Corky

           /  March 21, 2017

          *you*

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    • lurcher1948

       /  March 21, 2017

      Is that why Maori kids get beaten to death regularly Corky??two murder trials this week involving maori kids dads in the maori death battalion just asking collateral damage

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  14. NOEL

     /  March 21, 2017

    Jon Stephenson spent his defamation out of court settlement?
    Nah nothing here. Better books to buy.

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  15. If I find aHager book, I put it in the long drop so every word receives the contempt I have for him. What is the legal definition of traitor?

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    • Kevin

       /  March 21, 2017

      There is I believe no legal definition of traitor but there is the crime of treason as defined in the Crimes Act. It used to be the only crime for which we still had the death penalty.

      Treason and other crimes against the Sovereign and the State
      73 Treason
      Every one owing allegiance to the Sovereign in right of New Zealand commits treason who, within or outside New Zealand,—
      (a)
      kills or wounds or does grievous bodily harm to the Sovereign, or imprisons or restrains her or him; or
      (b)
      levies war against New Zealand; or
      (c)
      assists an enemy at war with New Zealand, or any armed forces against which New Zealand forces are engaged in hostilities, whether or not a state of war exists between New Zealand and any other country; or
      (d)
      incites or assists any person with force to invade New Zealand; or
      (e)
      uses force for the purpose of overthrowing the Government of New Zealand; or
      (f)
      conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in this section.

      At a stretch and given a judge that really really dislikes Hager you could fit what Hager has done under (c).

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  16. Things are getting a bit heated and personal. I suggest some of you slow down and discuss the issues rather than taking your differences out on each other.

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  17. PDB

     /  March 21, 2017

    Reported back in 2014:

    Defence Minister Jonathan Coleman has categorically denied New Zealand troops were involved in the deaths of Afghan civilians in a 2010 raid.

    But he could not rule out that deaths did occur at the hands of foreign forces.

    Maori TV’s Native Affairs programme last night aired a report with claims New Zealand Special Air Service (SAS) troops were involved in a joint operation that killed six Afghan villagers and injured 15 others.
    The mission was previously reported in 2011, with details that nine insurgents were killed in the attack, but then-Defence Minister Wayne Mapp said reports of civilian deaths had been investigated and proved false.
    It was speculated in 2011 that the mission was “revenge” for the death of Feilding soldier Lieutenant Timothy O’Donnell – something the Defence Force also rejected

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    • Gezza

       /  March 21, 2017

      Apparently apache attack helicopters were involved? They’re a bit less than surgical. We don’t have any. Americans & I guess some other allies do, but we don’t. We really shouldn’t have got involved in the shooting in this war – should’ve stuck to reconstruction work & defence of teams doing that, if we had to do anything.

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      • PDB

         /  March 21, 2017

        Yeah – yanks provided military support for the operation………sounds like if there were civilian deaths the helicopters did most the damage.

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        • Gezza

           /  March 21, 2017

          Sounds like Defence might have learned a lesson from this. I don’t think we should be in Iraq either but, as far as I know, we’re sticking to training the locals in urban warfare. At least this time, in Mosul, the Iraqis aren’t running away. They’re losing plenty of troops but carrying on. They’ve got the shittiest job. Rooting out ISIS house by house.

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        • Gezza

           /  March 21, 2017

          Sometimes I feel a bit conflicted about this issue theses days. Compare:

          Complainant: Your airstrikes just killed 30+ innocent civilians.
          US: No they didn’t. We don’t do that.
          Complainant: Yes they did, here’s the evidence.
          US: Our investigation is still ongoing after 6 months & when we get to the bottom of it, if anyone here is broke the rules of engagement, they’ll lose a day’s pay.

          Complainant: Your airstrikes just killed 30+ innocent civilians.
          Russia: We are attacking terrorists.
          Complainant: But you are killing innocent civilians.
          Russia: We are attacking terrorists. There is a corridor, they can leave town.

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  18. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 21, 2017

    A nasty, spiteful book has induced a nasty, spiteful debate.

    I’m not interested in either.

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  19. lurcher1948

     /  March 21, 2017

    Our own”Lidice”moment from our troops getting UTU.Nothing to see here folks, the time to move on John Key a living God would never stoop so low as to do a”Lidice” massacre no matter what to please the USA, he wouldn’t would he for UTU????

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  20. Like Ani Mikaere’s in 2004 … another brilliant Bruce Jesson Memorial Lecture from Hager in 2012 …

    Hager: “Each year since 1996 Hong Kong has come Number 1 on the freedom index [of USA’s Far-Right Heritage Foundation] and Singapore has come second. Notice that democracy is clearly not part of the definition of freedom; this is about freedom for businesses …

    So, understanding the scale, where should we assume that Nanny State New Zealand ranks out of the 184 countries on the Heritage Foundation’s Index of Economic Freedom? [Half way? A little below or above half way?]

    The answer is that, in most years since 1996, New Zealand came third, straight after Hong Kong and Singapore. We are currently fourth out of the 184 countries in the most deregulated, business-friendly stakes.

    Moreover, these results cover nine years of the “centre-left” Helen Clark Labour-led Government, which was endlessly attacked for its Nanny State policies.”

    Who are the real traitors …?

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    • Hager’s lecture puts paid the the idea of a linear Left-Right continuum … and Righties can completely forget about using “Nanny State” any longer … That powder has gotten very wet indeed in that magic bullet …

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      • “Controlling information, completely hiding information and long-term media management are prime tools used by powerful interests to gain political advantage. When information is the currency, it makes sense why investigative journalism, alongside good quality normal journalism, are so important for making democratic politics possible.”

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  21. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 21, 2017

    FWIW, Stuff is reporting the NZDF is denying the claim of civilian casualties.

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    • Blazer

       /  March 21, 2017

      textbook stuff…1-first ..deny….

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 21, 2017

      NZDF RESPONSE IN FULL

      “The New Zealand Defence Force stands by the statement it made dated 20 April 2011.

      “As the 2011 statement says, following the operation, allegations of civilian casualties were made. These were investigated by a joint Afghan Ministry of Defence, Ministry of the Interior and International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) assessment team, in accordance with ISAF procedures.

      “The investigation concluded that the allegations of civilian casualties were unfounded.

      “The NZDF does not undertake investigations or inquiries into the actions of forces from other nations. That was the role of the joint Afghan-ISAF investigation.

      “The NZDF is confident that New Zealand personnel conducted themselves in accordance with the applicable rules of engagement.”

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 21, 2017

        To be accurate, that doesn’t deny civilian casualties – merely that the authority tasked with investigating the actions denied civilian casualties.

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      • Blazer

         /  March 21, 2017

        this lasted about ..20 minutes….
        ‘A nasty, spiteful book has induced a nasty, spiteful debate.

        I’m not interested in either.’…

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 21, 2017

          Just reported the fact that the whole basis of the book is in question anyway.

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  22. duperez

     /  March 21, 2017

    The ferals are out at Kiwiblog. I wonder how many of them who offer to deal to Hager were offended by the appalling behaviour by the Kaikohe kids and told the world about it. Scummy behaviour is okay I suppose if your all grown up and offended about something. They’ll claim it’s just words I suppose and that means it doesn’t count. Well Hager’s stuff is just words too.

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  23. For Corky et al. who really want to know! I am Y30727 Colonel (Retired) Brian James Marshall formerly of the RNZIR. I graduated from the Royal Military College Duntroon in 1963 gaining first place awards for Tactics, Peace Administration, and Military Law. I served on active service in Peninsular Malaysia, Borneo and South Vietnam. I was awarded a Mention in Despatches for “Distinguished Service in action in 1965 in Borneo”. If you read the book about “The Undeclared War” you will see recorded the action in which my Platoon 1 Platoon A Company 1 RNZIR fought off an attack by a company strength group of Indonesian Kopassanda (Special Forces) near Lubok Antu in Sarawak. The Straits Time Headline at the time said “Kiwis in Big Border Battle”
    I went to Vietnam in 1972 as the Deputy Commander NZ Force Vietnam or more properly Army Training Group Vietnam. I was awarded a Huan Vu First Class award for my services by the Vietnam Government. I assumed Command of the NZ Forces in November 1972 after the late Lt Col Val Brown departed, and oversaw the withdrawal of NZ Forces from Vietnam.
    I subsequently studied at Maktab Tulis Angkatan Tentera Malaysia (Malaysian Staff College) graduating in first place. In 1975 I was posted to the position of OC A Company 1RNZIR
    After serving at the Tactical School training officers of the rank Captain and Majors, I was seconded to Wellington Polytech for training in Bahasa Melayu and Bahasa Indonesia I completed the year long series of courses with an A grade pass mark.
    In 1979 I attended the Indonesian Army Command and Staff College in the rank of Lt Col. I graduated as the top foreign student and passed the gruelling examinations in Bahasa Indonesia at the same level as the top Indonesian students.
    In 1980, I was seconded to the New Zealand Embassy Jakarta as Defence Attache in the rank of Colonel. I returned to New Zealand in 1982 to the position of Director of Personnel (Army) and subsequently worked in Policy Branch Defence HQ on the Defence White paper.
    In 1985 I was posted to the position of Defence Attache South East Asia based in Singapore. I did not take up this post owing to medical problems, so I resigned my commission because I was considered unable to be posted to Active Service overseas.
    I subsequently joined the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade as the Director of Security,after 4 years in that role I was posted to the NZ Embassy as First Secretary and Consul. After two years in Indonesia I returned to Wellington and took on the role of Administrator for the Asia New Zealand Foundation. I subsequently returned to Indonesia in the position of Counsellor and Consul General to Indonesia. After 3 years in that position I was posted as High Commissioner to the Republic of Kiribati, concurrently Ambassador to the Marshall Islands and Federated States of Micronesia. With the Independence of the Republic of Palau from the US, I was accredited to be the first NZ Ambassador to Palau.
    In 1995 I suffered a near terminal myocardial infarction and was flown to Auckland on a RNZAF Orion on a 12 hour low level flight. After further treatment I returned to work at MFAT but it soon became apparent that various injuries I had suffered on active service were becoming worse, so I retired. Within 3 months I was sought out and asked to assist GCSB as a specialised Intelligence researcher. I finally retired at age 70 because I felt it was unfair to continue in a job that a much younger recent graduate could do. In my time at the GCSB, I received awards from NZ Ministry of Defence for service in support of active service operations, from Australia for analysis that was of significant worth, and from GCSB for reporting of material of national significance.
    I have previously used a pseudonym on this blog, but I have nothing to hide, except any details of my support to Defence or GCSB.
    I was born in the Far North, living initially at Ngataki, and subsequently Kaitaia. I still regard myself as coming from Kaitaia. I was educated at Kaitaia College and my father was a Field Supervisor in the Far North for the Native Department and subsequently the Maori Affairs Department= Cape Reinga to Kaikohe, Kerikeri and the Hokianga. I had an elder brother, a senior NCO in the RNZ Engineers who died in service at age 35 years. I have been assessed as 98% disabled by Veterans Affairs NZ and am in receipt of a full disabled war pension.

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