Terrorist attack outside UK Parliament

From Geeza and Missy:


BREAKING ON ALJAZEERA Tv

* Two people shot outside UK Parliament – building in lockdown.

* At least a dozen injured on Westminster Bridge, loud bang reported, exclusion zone being put in place,

* journalist there has just tweeted “just seen police shoot a man outside Parliament appears to be wielding a knife”.

* Metropolitan police saying there has been “a firearms incident”.

0358 hours

Appears an attacker with a knife got inside Parliament grounds, stabbed a policeman & was shot by police, and, separately

a car has driven across Westminster Bridge, knocking people down, before crashing into the railings of a fence outside the houses of parliament.

Police are treating it as a terrorist attack until further notice. The whole are is in lockdown.


I will do a more full report when I get home, but here it is (in addition to G’s reports above).

It appears a man in a 4×4 mounted the footpath and ran down up to 12 pedestrians on Westminster Bridge, then crashed into the railings of Westminster, got out and stabbed a police officer. The driver of the vehicle was shot. Parliament has been suspended, and is now in lockdown with a number of other Government buildings.

Armed police and bomb dogs are doing a sweep of the area, and staff from the nearby St Thomas’s hospital are attending to the injured on the bridge.

Westminster Bridge is closed, Westminster tube station is closed, and the area surrounding Westminster is in lockdown. Police are telling people to avoid Westminster, Whitehall, Lambeth Bridge area. I will know if the Mall or Whitehall have been completely locked down on my way to the train station (I pass them).

Unconfirmed witness reports suggest the man was an Asian (in the UK that is someone from the sub continent – so Pakistani or Indian).

It appears some of the injuries are horrific, and there may be some fatalities.

Scottish Parliament have suspended the debate on the Second Referendum.

This is the first anniversary of the Brussels Airport attack.


Telegraph updates here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/22/man-shot-police-outside-parliament-officer-reportedly-shoots/

Guardian Updates here:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/mar/22/peers-say-brexit-with-no-trade-deal-would-cause-signicicant-damage-to-service-sector-politics-live

Three main roads leading from Trafalgar Square to the River, Westminster, and Buckingham Palace are closed to vehicle traffic. Loads of police around Trafalgar Square, and the mounted Police are on Whitehall.

Just following on from discussion in yesterday’s UK thread.

  • Terror attack at Westminster.
  • Attacker shot after stabbing police.
  • Multiple victims of hit and run in Westminster Bridge, reports some tried to escape by jumping into the river, at least one body is reported to have been seen in the river. Some on the bridge are thought to have also died.

 

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  1. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Advice from Met Police

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  2. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Reports are at least two dead and several catastrophically injured.

    Sorry about lack of links, am updating on my commute.

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  3. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Hospital staff have so far confirmed two killed on the bridge. It seems the attacker is alive and has been taken to hospital, I haven’t seen if the police officer who was stabbed has survived, and police statement is vague just referring to casualties including police officers.

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  4. Gezza

     /  23rd March 2017

    Aljaz: Police tweeting that additional officers including armed officers are being deployed across the capital, people asked to remain calm but be vigilant.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      Public asked by police to report anything suspicious to “anti-terrorist hotline”.

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    • Missy

       /  23rd March 2017

      That is standard. After they found the bomb in the tube last year there weee extra armed police deployed. Fully expecting to see them when I get home as well, despite being miles from where it happened.

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  5. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    A woman has been pulled out of the Thames and is alive, not sure if she is the person that was being reported as the body floating in the river.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      One young female doctor was interviewed briefly, had witnessed the incident, but was in shock & couldn’t continue.

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  6. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    The knife attack is being reported as brutal. This from BBC presenter Andrew Neil.

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  7. Gezza

     /  23rd March 2017

    Lockdown includes people stuck in the London Eye cubicles, expected many will have witnessed the incident from their vantage.

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  8. Gezza

     /  23rd March 2017

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      Earlier images of victims at this hashtag, some of them gruesome, have been removed.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      David Currie’s 2 pics of attacker lying on ground with medics attending & policeman pointing semi-automatic at him has been deleted. Attacker had short hair, beard, looked middle eastern, not asian, to me.

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      • Gezza

         /  23rd March 2017

        Police spokesman live on Aljaz. Sadly, four have now died. That includes the policeman & the attacker.

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd March 2017

          (0700 hours)

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        • Missy

           /  23rd March 2017

          Glad to hear the attacker has died, saves money on a trial and jail.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  23rd March 2017

            Have to disagree Missy. Killing infidels is god’s work and a noble death to these roosters is the ideal outcome. Better in my view to incarcerate them for the rest of their miserable lives and keep them alive on a diet of bilkel and pigs trotters

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      • Missy

         /  23rd March 2017

        Ah, okay, but then some Pakistani’s do look a little middle eastern, and some middle eastern men look like they could be from the Sub Continent, so it is hard to say.

        Someone who saw him up close said he looked Asian (which here means sub continent).

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  9. Nelly Smickers

     /  23rd March 2017

    *Police Officer has died*……..great to hear that both the cops guarding Westminster Gates were unarmed….*but were wearing hi-viz vests* 😡

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      Police spokesman answering questions just said policeman who died was one of the armed officers guarding parliament. Took a few questions but mostly said for various reasons couldn’t give any details to those questions asked.

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  10. Nelly Smickers

     /  23rd March 2017

    BFF *Colleen* tweets me….

    [Deleted – pathetic and inappropriate in this situation. PG]

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  23rd March 2017

      As a matter of interest PG, what’s ‘pathetic’ about someone drawing attention to the fact that it was the *same modus-operandi* as occurred in Nice and Berlin last year ❓ Religion of Peace strikes again 😡

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      • The manner in which you did it was pathetic and inappropriate.

        There is no indication ‘the religion of peace’ was responsible. How many attackers have been confirmed?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  23rd March 2017

          Of course there is every indication and it is surely only a matter of time until it is confirmed.

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        • Missy

           /  23rd March 2017

          Pete, all indications are that the attack was carried out by an Islamic Extremist, an official has reportedly said one line of enquiry is that the attacker was inspired by IS propaganda. The pictures of the attacker seem to show him as being from the sub-continent, and it looks like he has a beard in the style of Muslim men – and don’t bring up any sh*t about how many men have beards, we all know that Muslim men wear theirs in a certain way, or at least if you live in or near an area with a large Muslim population you would.

          One witness tweeted that it was a Muslim attacker, which indicates that there was something about his clothing or person that indicated his religion.

          The British Police have foiled over a dozen terror attacks in the last year, there are over 100 Islamic terror cells under surveillance.

          As to the number of attackers, it is still uncertain, some reports say one, others say two were in the car, so hard to know if one ran off when the car stopped, though nothing indicates the police are looking for another person. But please no BS about a lone wolf attack, in the UK that is highly unlikely due to the nature of the way the extremists work – most are members of cells, but are more than likely to undertake the attacks individually – and that is something that was on the news tonight here.

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          • I’m aware of that. I have no problem with it being discussed in a reasonable way.

            What I have a problem with is mass smearing and promotion of hate in response to hate.

            The UK and Europe have serious problems with radical Muslims and terrorists.

            They also have a problem with over reactions, provocations and division that attacks many innocent people.

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            • Missy

               /  23rd March 2017

              I didn’t see Nelly’s post, so can’t comment.

              I am sorry if I came across a little emotional, I think how close I was to it is starting to sink in, only an hour or so later and I would have been in the region and either witnessed it – or possibly been a victim, so please excuse any over reaction to the incident on my part.

              But it is hard when something like this happens for it not to have an affect on how you view those that committed the crime, and the ideology / religion that promotes their actions.

              I have been on the receiving end of some very vile behaviour – and hate – by Muslim men, I may have a skewed perspective on this, and today does not help in making me more charitable towards Muslim men.

            • I understand that. It is a fraught situation, today in particular and generally.

              Sadly one of the aims of terrorists is to stir up a religious divide and they don’t care about tainting all Muslims in the process, that suits their purposes.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2017

              The fraught issue is just where the divide is between all Muslims and terrorists. The Muslim world seems divided between those ruled by ruthless dictators and those ruled by democratically elected ruthless religious fanatics. Neither give the rest of the world any comfort.

        • Nelly Smickers

           /  23rd March 2017

          Don’t shoot me PG…..I’m only the messenger.

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          • That’s a weak excuse – you choose the messages, they are your responsibility. If you want to promote mass hate and division do it elsewhere.

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            • Nelly Smickers

               /  23rd March 2017

              That’s something I would *never do* PG…and everyone knows it ❗

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  11. Tipene

     /  23rd March 2017

    Gezza: correct on all counts regarding the Currie pictures – I saw those pictures as well. An astounding example of media cowardice and forelock curling to the”religion of peace”.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      Also of liaison with Twitter I imagine.

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    • Missy

       /  23rd March 2017

      I have seen some of the images, but not all, however, I would suggest the removal of the images was out of respect for the victims, not an act of cowardice.

      I work with someone who found out about the death of a relative due to images of an event in the media, it is something that was horrific to her, and she said it stays with you if you see the image of a relative dead on tv or social media.

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      • Missy, I wholeheartedly agree with your approach. A mutilated human being is a pretty hard thing to deal with and the last thing I want is for people to treat it as commonplace. Those pictures are correctly defined as obscene publications in our law.

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  13. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Quick summary of what happened this afternoon.

    At approximately 2.40pm the police were called to an incident on Westminster Bridge, it was initially treated as a firearms incident.

    At around this time (2.40pm) members of the Press Gallery in Parliament started tweeting about gunshots being fired outside Parliament. The initial reports were that a man tried to attack police and was shot.

    Shortly after this came reports via twitter of a car running down several pedestrians on Westminster Bridge. Initially media reported the incidences as unrelated. Up to 12 Pedestrians were hit by the vehicle, described as a 4 x 4.

    It soon became clear the incidences were connected as witnesses reported via twitter that a car ran down pedestrians on Westminster Bridge before running into the barriers of Westminster Palace where a man got out of the car and attacked the Police Officer with a knife. The knife was estimated by witnesses as being approximately 8 inches long. Armed Police then shot the attacker, the air ambulance arrived minutes later. Staff at St Thomas’s hospital arrived on scene to assist the injured on Westminster Bridge.

    Tobias Ellwood, the Foreign Minister, attempted to save the life of the police officer.

    It has now been confirmed 4 dead, and at least 20 injured.

    This is being tweeted by Londoners now.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      Aljaz: People in the London Eye pods have now been brought down & taken for interviews with police to find out what they saw.

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      • Missy

         /  23rd March 2017

        Hopefully some were taking video and pictures, it could help the police.

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    • Corky

       /  23rd March 2017

      We are not afraid’ But they are. Islam has Britain by the balls. They are in control. We pay with time, money, security delays and wasted potential…while Muslims breed like rabbits.

      Why not just hand them the Keys to the fucken city and get it over with.

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  14. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Parliament was suspended, and put into lockdown. Journalists and MPs were told to stay put in their offices / the chamber, many tweeting from inside parliament saying that armed police with bomb shields were sweeping Parliament.

    The Scottish Parliament were debating the bill to request permission of Westminster for the second referendum, they were due to vote on it this evening, however, Scottish Parliament was also suspended today.

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  15. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    The moment when Parliament was suspended.

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  16. Alan Wilkinson

     /  23rd March 2017

    My heartfelt sympathy to the victims of yet another homicidal religious Muslim lunatic and my best wishes to Trump and his mission to destroy them.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      Prior to this incident breaking in, Aljaz was broadcasting live from a conference in the US where Secretary of State was giving a outlining Trump’s commitment & plans for destroying ISIS. Commenters noted that, apart from 1,000 extra marines, it appeared to be the Obama plan. 😳

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  17. Gezza

     /  23rd March 2017

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  18. Nelly Smickers

     /  23rd March 2017

    Katie Hopkins has message for *Mayor of London*…..

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  19. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Advice received today from Safe travel after the Westminster attack.

    “Country: United Kingdom, London

    This is a message from the New Zealand High Commission in London, United Kingdom

    This message has been sent to you as your SafeTravel registration details indicate that you are currently in, or about to travel to the United Kingdom. Please update your details if they’ve changed: https://register.safetravel.govt.nz/login.

    On Wednesday 22 March, there was an incident in the Westminster parliamentary area.

    New Zealanders in London are advised to avoid the Westminster area for the present time. We recommend you monitor the media to keep up to date with local events and follow any instructions issued by the local authorities, including any restrictions on movement.

    New Zealanders who require consular assistance should contact the New Zealand High Commission in London on +44 20 7630 8422 or email consular@newzealandhc.org.uk

    New Zealanders in London should contact their families in New Zealand to say they are safe and well.”

    This was sent to everyone registered with Safe Travel.

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  20. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Some media outlets – including Newshub – are reporting the possibility that the attacker was known hate preacher Abu Izzadeen.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017/03/london-terror-attack-who-is-he.html

    If this is true it will put paid to the ‘lone wolf’ theory some may try to push to keep their heads in the sand about the problem of Islamic Extremism.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      From the RT article I posted below:

      “The man who launched a terrorist attack on the UK Parliament has been named by Britain’s Channel 4 News as British-born Abu Izzadeen, a known “hate-preacher” and a vocal supporter of Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL).

      Izzadeen who was born Trevor Brooks in Hackney London, has been described as a hate-preacher after serving as a spokesman for the Al Ghurabaa group – an organization banned by the Terrorism Act 2006

      He did time in jail for terror related offenses, including “inciting others to commit acts of terrorism overseas” and funding terror groups. He was released in May 2009.

      Twitter account now suspended of “hate preacher” unofficially identified as London attacker. pic.twitter.com/1qf6QtKlhq
      — Steve Herman (@W7VOA) March 22, 2017
      His Twitter account was suspended a few hours after the attack when suspicions arose that he might be the perpetrator.”

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      • Nelly Smickers

         /  23rd March 2017

        @ Missy & Gezza

        *Thank you* for finally being able to *confirm details*. There had been a number of earlier tweets speculating the attacker may have been a Catholic Exchange Student.

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      • A problem with media (and others) being too quick with claims:

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd March 2017

          Aren’t they shockers? I did wonder. The pictures shown didn’t look like this ahole.

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  21. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Two interesting points in relation to this attack today.

    1. It is one year since the Brussels Airport attack.

    2. Today it was reported that Erdogan warned that Europeans will not be safe on their streets if they keep up their current attitude to Turkey.

    The second point here is very disturbing, it is the leader of a Muslim nation threatening Europe, and the safety of the European population. This is not the talk of someone who wants peace, or to live in harmony.

    I am not saying either are connected, but they do give pause for thought as to why this attack occurred today.

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  22. Pete Kane

     /  23rd March 2017

    Fantastic work M, G and Editor..

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  23. Blazer

     /  23rd March 2017

    this was very interesting….’Izzadeen who was born Trevor Brooks in Hackney London’.

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    • Corky

       /  23rd March 2017

      Its not interesting…its darn right scary.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  23rd March 2017

        Scary indeed. And very very sad for all the innocents affected by this insanity..

        But it also goes to highlight that there’s little value in a Muslim Travel Ban if the potential threat is a born and bred local.

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        • Corky

           /  23rd March 2017

          Quite true, but its a great place to start before tackling the near impossible task of limiting domestic terrorism.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  23rd March 2017

          Yes but a son of the bannee perhaps?
          Second generation, dispossessed, radicalised youth syndrome

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  24. Corky

     /  23rd March 2017

    LIBERAL CALL TO ARMS.

    Guys, lets hold hands. Altogether now: ” Islam is a religion of peace.”

    Trumps stock just went up.

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  25. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    There are reports that French schoolchildren are amongst the victims. If this is the case it can only help Marine Le Pen’s cause in France, it will be interesting to see how this impacts the French elections – if at all.

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  26. Griff

     /  23rd March 2017

    Meh
    All this over a attack in England that kills four.
    Perspective folks.
    Somewhere in the middle east a drone strike will kill far more today.
    We started the war on terror.
    Some reports have the death toll as high as 4,000,000.
    The number of attacks by Muslim extremists here in New Zealand are presently 0.
    In the west your chance of being a victim in any given year are about 1,000,000/1
    Yet every attack brings out the fear merchants and Islam haters in droves.
    Muslim extremists terrorism is asymmetrical warfare deliberately designed to promote a overreaction aimed at pushing more moderate Muslims towards the terrorists position.
    You fear merchants are doing the terrorist work for them.

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    • Corky

       /  23rd March 2017

      The middle east isn’t the West.

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      • Griff

         /  23rd March 2017

        Yip those people in the middle east don’t count .
        {sarc}
        Make war on them and get upset when some bring the war to us .
        Gee just maybe war was the wrong approach to 9/11.
        Especially as the targets had very little to do with the source of the 9/11 attacks that set this mess in motion.
        When the west attacks Saudi Arabia I might just change my views.

        http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/5-ways-saudi-arabia-allegedly-helped-terrorists-9-11-attacks-article-1.3003684

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        • Corky

           /  23rd March 2017

          ‘Yip those people in the middle east don’t count .
          {sarc}’

          You got it in one,chum.

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd March 2017

          Personally I have been saying for years the West shouldn’t have attacked either Afghanistan or Iraq. It predictably provoked more jihadis, though nobody foresaw the rise of ISIS from Al Qaeda, or the rise of fundamentalist revolutions & the rise of other Muslim terrorist groups like Al Shabab & Boko Haram in African countries as a result.

          They should have just tracked down Bin Laden & associates & killed them.

          The West should have just got out of the Middle East & North Africa & ring fenced it as far as possible. Let them sort their own shit out. Muslim refugees should go to Muslim countries. Until they grow out of it, which may be a long long time. We could just buy their oil off whoever has it at the time & is able to supply the damned stuff. Unfortunately, now the Russians have involved, the US and no one else will leave – not until deals have been done anyway.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  23rd March 2017

            Bush was Cheney’s puppet and a disaster. He was also hostage to his father’s perceived failure to take out Saddam. Cheney bit off more than the US could chew and we live with the consequences.

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            • Gezza

               /  23rd March 2017

              Yup. War criminals & blundering incompetents, looking to exploit oil & other business opportunities for their mates.

            • Pete Kane

               /  23rd March 2017

              Sadly I think you’re both right. Politics of it aside Alan, nothing, and I mean nothing, hastened the fall of the Soviet Empire like that baron, foreboding piece of earth known as Afghanistan.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2017

              I think commercial exploits were very secondary considerations and hardly an issue in Afghanistan. That’s an irrelevance IMO.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2017

              @PK, a friend of my youth traversed Afghanistan long before all this happened and wrote to me about this poor wild country where the men sat around with guns. It never seemed like a great place to invade.

            • Gezza

               /  23rd March 2017

              Pots of money were made by all sorts of corporations in both invasions, from munitions & military equipment, vehicles etc, to catering, to construction, to private security. Halliburton was especially excited. Was certainly expected to be a great money spinner. Favourable oil supply & oil & civilian infrastructure deals were certainly expected in Iraq.

            • Pete Kane

               /  23rd March 2017

              the man who would be King – Mr Kipling.

            • Gezza

               /  23rd March 2017

              My hallway smoke alarm’s got it in for my honey-cured bacon & eggs. 😡

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2017

              Bush wanted to bomb Afghanistan back to the stone age. He overlooked the fact it was already there. Hardly a place for commercial opportunity. Iraq was somewhat different but I think political objectives outweighed commercial. He had a useful idiot in Blair.

            • Corky

               /  23rd March 2017

              Get the new smoke alarms with more radioactive substance in it. They give way less false alarms.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  23rd March 2017

      Moderate Muslims have a choice: terrorism or freedom. They will be judged by which they choose.

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    • Missy

       /  23rd March 2017

      I apologise if you think it is nothing, but for me especially it was a scary thing, and a little bit emotional.

      I work down the road, I regularly walk or bus over Westminster Bridge (I was meant to today), I will use the pier at Westminster if I get the rivers home, but usually I will take the tube from Westminster station. If this attack had happened an hour or so later I would have been in the vicinity of the attack, if not in the path of the attackers.

      I have not been in London long, and this is the first terrorist attack since I have been here, and for it to be so close to where I work is scary. I live near where Lee Rigby was murdered by two Muslim extremists – there remains to this day a tribute at the spot where he was killed, which I pass most days.

      You talk about Islam haters, but being in the midst of what has happened, and is happening, in the UK it is hard not to learn to hate a religion whose followers treat women in the street as whores (I am regularly called a white whore when walking past groups of Muslim men in the town square), or intimidate and bully women, or whose followers drive a car on the footpath of a busy street and stab a police officer in such a way that even those who have seen violence call it horrific and brutal.

      Perhaps all is cosy in your bubble, but there are real reasons in this country to despise a religion that preaches that these behaviours are okay, and in fact encouraged.

      Just today the Islamic leader of a mainly Muslim country threatened the people of Europe, thus risking inciting more violence against Europeans by Muslims.

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      • Brown

         /  23rd March 2017

        I do not wish to offend Missy but will say, “Harden up.” You were no where near at the time so were in no danger. There was more chance of being killed by a falling chamber pot or being savaged by rats, struck by lightning while riding the tube and so on. Seriously, death is always at the door and Pete knows this hence his having no problem with a political ideology that has stated repeatedly that its followers are obliged to kill you. The odds being so good that such won’t happen means those saying such nasty things and their silent followers must be allowed free passage because some, or even a majority, won’t actually have the balls to do it.

        The risk of being killed or injured by one of these idiots (its never a Muslim problem) may be slight but somehow the deliberate nature of the attack annoys me in a way that death by random accident does not.

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        • Missy

           /  23rd March 2017

          Anyone who starts with ‘I do not wish to offend’ usually does wish to offend Brown.

          Thanks for the advice to “harden up”, but you know something, as soon as someone ‘harden’s up’ that is when they start to lose their compassion and humanity, so no, I won’t “harden up”. I will thank God that I wasn’t in the vicinity at that time today, I will thank God that it didn’t happen an hour or so later, I will reflect on my lucky escape and feel some emotion for the people who were unlucky enough to be there, the woman that ended up under a bus, the two people killed on the bridge (one of whom may or may not have been the aforementioned woman), and the police officer who died in an horrific manner, but I refuse to ‘harden up’ and lose my humanity.

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          • Brown

             /  23rd March 2017

            Harden up does not mean you lose your humanity. It means you do not dwell on not even close calls and go about your business sensibly mindful of risks. I lived in London during the IRA troubles and old locals were pretty staunch and said it reminded them of the blitz in some ways in that there was danger about but life went on. I had to leave Penny Lane market early because of a bomb threat and while that was the closest I ever got to being a target of the IRA life was enjoyed in London as it should be without worrying unduly. My close calls have always been related to doing fun stuff but any death arising would be just as final as if a Muslim ran me over. With the Muslim threat I believe we can react because its predictable behaviour that can be addressed if we have the will.

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      • Well said Missy – its easy for those deep in the South Pacific surrounded by a thousand mile plus moat in all directions to say don’t over react. But when your in among it daily its a different perspective and a different reaction…

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    • Missy

       /  23rd March 2017

      “Meh
      All this over a attack in England that kills four.”

      Well done on demeaning the experience of those that have to live with the consequences of today’s actions Griff.

      Were you aware amongst the victims today were school children? Does that make it more meaningful, or the fact that some elderly people were victims?

      Does it matter to you that the attack on the police officer would most likely had to have been in the neck & head, above the stab vest? The attack that has been described by hardened journalists and others as brutal and horrific.

      Does it matter to you that over 20 people were deliberately rammed by a guy in a 4 x 4, scattering them over the road, one lady ending up under a bus and another in the Thames, that bodies were strewn over one of the busiest bridges in London?

      The fact the number of attacks in NZ is 0 is down to good luck and good intelligence services than anything else. If NZ does not wake up and ensure the integration (not assimilation) of the Muslim immigrants it will happen there as well, though I despair that will happen when you hear of public pools running swimming classes, and swimming sessions for Muslim women only – hardly a way to counter any form of hating, whether it be Islam hating or West hating (and many Muslims do hate the West, despite living here).

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    • Kevin

       /  23rd March 2017

      “We started the war on terror.”

      Actually “we” didn’t.

      The rest of your post is equally crap, include the cliched “more people have been killed by blah blah blah than terrorism.” Well if ISIS manage to set off a dirty bomb in a large Western city then that statement will certainly become false now won’t it?

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  27. Corky

     /  23rd March 2017

    Scanned talk back for their take on this incident. They weren’t talking about it. Looks like people are over it, and have become blasé regarding terrorism. Bad news for the West generally. Looks like we will need kiwi blood spilled on our streets for people took up from their smart phones and say ”holy crap”

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  28. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Looking at that picture it looks like the injury was in the head region of the police officer, I would not be surprised if it was an attempted beheading, or at least a cut to the throat.

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  23rd March 2017

      *KTH* – a voice of sanity in an otherwise *mad bad world*…… Our other ‘foreign correspondent’ in the *UK*, writes another *great article* in the Daily Mail that *absolutely* nails it ❗

      Will *anyone* actually take heed of what *Katie*, or *Missy, have to say….I fear not 😡

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      • Anonymous Coward

         /  23rd March 2017

        Katie Hopkins and the Daily Mail, what a matchup. The Troll and the unreliable source.

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  29. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Latest from Met Police.
    The investigation is ongoing.

    They think they know the identity of the attacker and are looking into his associates – doesn’t sound like it was a lone wolf in that case.

    The working assumption is he was inspired by international terrorism – when asked for clarification he said the assumption is that it was Islamic Terrorism.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      In an attack like this, which accords precisely with the method recommended & called for by ISIS & already used several times elsewhere, the reasonable assumption to make actually IS that it is an Islamic terrorist attack, unless & until the evidence proves otherwise.

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  30. Joe Bloggs

     /  23rd March 2017

    A little bit of nastiness from trump junior over all of this has rightly been called out.

    Donald Trump Jr.
    You have to be kidding me?!: Terror attacks are part of living in big city, says London Mayor Sadiq Khan

    The trumplet has

    badly mischaracterized the London mayor’s remarks. Mr. Khan did not describe terrorism as “part of living in a big city,” as if bombings and shootings were an inescapable fact of life. He said that terrorism preparedness, including providing sufficient support to the police, was “part and parcel of living in a great global city.”

    “That means being vigilant, having a police force that is in touch with communities; it means the security services being ready, but it also means exchanging ideas and best practice,”

    MP Wes Streeting replied “You use a terrorist attack on our city to attack London’s Mayor for your own political gain. You’re a disgrace.”

    Yup. Like father, like son.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  23rd March 2017

      Donald Trump Jr is not a politician. Streeting is. Only one of them is using a terrorist attack for their own political gain.

      Reply
    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      I think his dad does his thinking for him.

      Reply
      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  23rd March 2017

        Heresy. Lefties know Trump is too dumb to think. You’ll be excommunicated (again), G.

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd March 2017

          I suspect the subtle message in my post above was too subtle to set off your irony detector, Al.

          Reply
          • Gezza

             /  23rd March 2017

            PS: I am not a lefty anyway”. I am smack in the centre, like Lurchy. Well, ok not exactly like Lurchy. I oscillate a bit more maybe, depending on the issue.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2017

              That was my irony.

            • Corky

               /  23rd March 2017

              Come now, Gezza…not a Leftie?

            • Gezza

               /  23rd March 2017

              @ Al. Oh, sorry, my irony detector was picking up my irony signal, so it didn’t your irony signal as coming from a separate source of irony.

              @ Corky. Your touble Corks, is you’re troubling.

    • Corky

       /  23rd March 2017

      Like I said: Trump stocks going up.

      Reply
  31. Gezza

     /  23rd March 2017

    Al Jazeera tv. 8 dead after 5 suicide bombers blew themselves up in displaced persons camps. Wasn’t clear if that includes the attackers.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      * In Nigeria.

      Reply
    • Nelly Smickers

       /  23rd March 2017

      *Fox News* reporting, “IS sympathizers seen cheering the attack on the streets of London”. Things can only get worse from here 😡

      Reply
  32. Corky

     /  23rd March 2017

    Hate crime up in Canada. Jews get the worst. Is the influx of Muslims the reason ? Hasn’t Canada learnt from Europe…apparently not.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/03/hate-crimes-toronto-youll-never-guess-biggest-victims/

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    • Brown

       /  23rd March 2017

      Yep, it does just what its says it will do yet so many are somewhat surprised when it does and will make excuses for it. I remain of a view that their spokesmen should be interviewed about the theology and put on the spot.

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  33. Corky

     /  23rd March 2017

    Our media is starting to apply liberal spin. Quoting calls of not to hate. Lonewolf they are saying, and he’s been in jail. But our media never look behind their self created headlines
    to see where these people come from.

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    • Missy

       /  23rd March 2017

      Hmmm…. how they can report it is lone wolf, and that he has been in jail when the police have not released any details of the attacker, and Channel 4 retracted their report naming the incorrect person (he is in jail).

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  34. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Update, police have just held a press conference:
    – Police have been recalled from leave, and are working longer shifts. Increased Police presence in London of both armed and unarmed police.
    – Westminster Station is open for transfer only, no exit or entrance.
    – Cordon around Westminster remains in place whilst the police continue forensic examinations.
    – Police have confirmed numbers, 4 dead – the attacker, the police officer, a woman in her 40’s, and a man in his 50’s; 29 are being treated in hospital, 7 of whom are critical. They won’t provide more details on the other two victims, or those in hospital. The Police refused to say how the other three injured officers are doing, but reiterated that 29 are being treated in hospital, 7 of which are critical.
    – Police know the identity of the attacker but they have asked the media to not name anyone as the attacker while the investigation is ongoing.
    – Police have searched 6 addresses in connection to this incident, and 7 arrests have been made. Enquiries
    – Police are investigating associates of the attacker.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2017

      Aljaz reported same. Still no claim or hurrah from ISIS.

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  23rd March 2017

      Thanks for the update, Missy. It’s good to know that the cops are investigating his ‘associates’. I hate to quote a cliche, but let’s not ‘throw the baby out with the bathwater’. Some terrorists are muslim, but most muslims aren’t terrorists…

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      • Corky

         /  23rd March 2017

        ”Some terrorists are Muslim, but most Muslims aren’t terrorists…”

        Literally that is correct, but the reality that creates these people, and the silent support that backs them is quite another thing. That needs to be rammed home until ignorant Westerners understand that.

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      • Missy

         /  23rd March 2017

        You are welcome Patu.

        Yep, the cops have been working all night on this.

        I have to say there is still a lot of activity, I am down near Trafalgar Square and listening to the helicopters and sirens that are going constantly.

        The Met certainly meant it when they said they would flood central London with extra police, there were a number at the station when I got in this morning, and approximately half were armed with Automatic Weapons.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  23rd March 2017

          I don’t imagine that even the most halfwitted wannabe terrorist, would attempt anything in that area, after what went on earlier. What I do believe, however, is that anyone who was even halfway associated with him, should be hauled in by the cops, & ‘dragged over the coals’…

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    • Corky

       /  23rd March 2017

      How can they make 7 arrests with such speed…held on what grounds?

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      • Missy

         /  23rd March 2017

        The Detectives have been working all night on this case, I believe the searches and arrests were undertaken this morning. As to the grounds on which they have been held, the police did not say, but I would hazard a guess it is under the anti-terror legislation.

        There is speculation that the police were aware early on who the attacker was, and that he is known to police. The speed of the searches and arrests suggest that there was possibly already intelligence on this person.

        The police are currently monitoring well over 100 terror cells across the UK at the moment (this came out several months ago), so if the attacker was known to police they would have had a good starting point for the investigation.

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  35. Missy

     /  23rd March 2017

    Okay, I am going to admit to some stupidity, I ventured into The Standard, and now wish I didn’t. Their complete denial that this was a terrorist attack and not just some nutter in a car is baffling.

    What really made me angry was Weka, and her stupidity, especially with this comment:

    “Being already known doesn’t make it a terrorist attack.

    London mayor Sadiq Khan said: “London is the greatest city in the world and we stand together in the face of those who seek to harm us and destroy our way of life. We always have, and we always will. Londoners will never be cowed by terrorism.”

    I guess that makes some people feel better. Less macho might be called for in this situation though.”

    Of course I could be wrong in being angry about this comment and calling her stupid, maybe she has more information than the Met Police and intelligence services in the UK on this individual, and she knows that – despite him being known to the Counter Terrorism Police and the mode of the attack is exactly the type of attack IS has called on their supporters to carry out – it isn’t a Terrorist attack.

    And apparently the Mayor is being ‘macho’ in stating that Londoners will never be cowed by terrorism.

    WTF??? Is this woman really that stupid and deluded?

    All evidence shows that this was a terrorist attack, this isn’t some “arguably poor deranged person has flipped out and inflicted fairly random hurt, anguish and death?” as Bill put forward as a possibility instead of calling it Terrorism.

    These people have their head in the sand and a major case of denial, and it is these type of people that enable the terrorists to continue these kinds of attacks. Even their precious Guardian is calling it a terror attack.

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    • Gezza

       /  24th March 2017

      You’re over thinking this Missy. Your first sentence was adequate. 😕

      Reply
      • Gezza

         /  24th March 2017

        Aljaz, showing video of the car going across the bridge. 8 people arrested now, they say.

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        • Gezza

           /  24th March 2017

          Theresa May, in parliament – the man is known, when operational considerations allow, he will be named. He is British born, has come to attention earlier, was dealt with by police, but this was historical and he was not “part of the current intelligence picture”.

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      • Missy

         /  24th March 2017

        That I was stupid to venture there?? You are probably right, but they make me so mad, it is hard to know how someone can be so oblivious to the real world.

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        • Gezza

           /  24th March 2017

          I popped over for a look. Psycho Milt put his finger on the problem with weks, I think.

          Being already known doesn’t make it a terrorist attack.

          It doesn’t necessarily make it a terrorist attack, no. But then, if a guy caught kicking over headstones in a Jewish cemetery is a known neo-nazi, that doesn’t necessarily make it an anti-semitic hate crime, and yet I’m going to consider it an anti-semitic hate crime until someone demonstrates otherwise. Even I can only take pedantry so far.”

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          • Missy

             /  24th March 2017

            Agree, he is right.

            I will just avoid the place until I have had a shower – and Wine!! 🙂

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th March 2017

              … and then do something else, Missy.

  36. Missy

     /  24th March 2017

    Theresa May has spoken in Parliament on yesterday’s attack.

    She has confirmed that the attacker is British born and was known to MI5, and had been investigated previously as a peripheral figure in relation to extremist terrorism

    The threat level remains at Severe, and won’t be increased. Severe is the second highest threat level and means an attack is highly likely, it won’t be raised as there is no intelligence that an attack is imminent.

    The victims include people of 10 different nationalities (French, Romanian, South Korean, German, Polish, Irish, Chinese, Italian, American and Greek), and the UK Government is working with the Governments of their home countries to help those affected. The victims included 3 police officers who were returning from an event to recognise their bravery, two of those three remain in critical condition.

    She passed on her condolences to the families of the victims that died, and she paid tribute to the Police Officer who was killed, and acknowledged Tobias Ellwood for his efforts to try and save the Police Officer.

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