Why do dairies sell tobacco?

With a growing number of violent robberies of dairies in Auckland why do they sell Tobacco products? They are not the only target of thieves but the escalating price seems to be a major factor in precipitating the spate of attacks.

Tariana Turia wants to take it further:

More:

Dame Tariana Turia says New Zealand needs to stop selling cigarettes – “we should not be allowing it to be sold in our country”

“get rid of the cigarettes, get them out of the country, and allow our people to enjoy some good health”

Would removing cigarettes from dairies and service stations stop violent robberies? That’s unlikely, but it would probably reduce them significantly.

Would banning tobacco altogether be a solution (it would reduce tobacco consumption) or would it just create different problems? Like more cannabis use?

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41 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  27th March 2017

    The question should be: Why aren’t dairies allowed firearms for self defence? Why aren’t criminals worried about the consquences for committing robberies, as one Indian commmunity leader lamented? Why indeed?

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    • Shops won’t be allowed to use firearms for self defence. They have to consider either not stocking products that put them at risk, or installing defensive mechanisms.

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      • Nelly Smickers

         /  27th March 2017

        The poor buggers just can’t win……had *Arun Kumar* lived, he would probably have been charged by the police with supplying cigarettes to minors :/

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11623298

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  27th March 2017

          Don’t be absurd. He was robbed. He didn’t supply the cigarettes to minors willingly, and you must know that. Hello-he was robbed-he was killed-had he sold the killers the cigarettes, he might have been fined, but he would still be alive. Nobody, surely, can imagine that a robbery victim supplies the robbers with whatever they steal, or that the police would think that someone who’s been viciously assaulted and robbed is a supplier.

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          • Corky

             /  27th March 2017

            Double meaning that was meant for me, Kitty. You took the bait. Bad Kitty.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  27th March 2017

              It sounded as if Nelly was being (un)funny at Mr Kumar’s expense, and I still think that it was a remark in poor taste, no matter who it was aimed at/

            • Corky

               /  27th March 2017

              The depths a leftie will sink to is unfathomable.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  27th March 2017

              The real problem with firearms, from what I gather, is that the villains will have fewer qualms about grabbing it and using it on the owner. I once heard how many people in Florida had been shot by burglars getting the gun and using it-many times more than the person using it on the burglar.

    • Zedd

       /  28th March 2017

      what next ? AK47s on Queen St ??

      yeah….

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  2. NOEL

     /  27th March 2017

    Dairy down the road had a sign “cash only for cigarettes”. Said the margin didn’t justify efpos.
    Was going to ask why did you stock them then remembered when I was a smoker all those years ago I would alwsys purchase something else.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  27th March 2017

      That’s interesting-I would have thought that it was the other way around, that cigarettes were a large amount of the shop’s income. Thank you for that. I can’t remember if I bought anything else when I was a smoker, or if I did, if it was something that I wouldn’t have bought anyway, like bread.

      I wondered about slot machines with the shop owner having a %. Anyone stupid enough to try to rob one of those will regret it.

      It’s hideous when a shop owner is robbed, whether or not they are badly hurt. and I am not lessening the horror by saying that the majority aren’t. It’s not news when a shop ISN’T robbed, of course. Not that numbers mean anything to victims, it’s a poor consolation that most people don’t have this happen, whether it be a robbery or a road crash.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  27th March 2017

    NZ the way you want it under national: give into maori thieving thugs and keep the maori party happy.The tail wagging the dog, national the party desperate to stay in power
    PS Billy the indian dairy owners and their community vote too and they are sick of maori thugs beating up indians.billy you and national are coming across as soft.

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  4. Blazer

     /  27th March 2017

    Cigarettes are the life blood of Dairys…..they make about 10%,which with the price of gaspers is significant.The Police view robberies of small business as …a cost of doing …business.

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  5. Kevin

     /  27th March 2017

    “Would banning tobacco altogether be a solution (it would reduce tobacco consumption) or would it just create different problems? Like more cannabis use?”

    The government could try lowering the amount of nicotine allowed in cigarettes to non-addictive levels. This is the sort of thing I mean when I say legalise drugs but at the same time regulate heavily to minimise harm.

    Banning tobacco would create a massive blackmarket and a far more dangerous product.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  27th March 2017

      Every solution comes up against a yes, but….

      If tobacco was banned, where would the black market supply come from ?

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      • Blazer

         /  27th March 2017

        from the…black market.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  27th March 2017

          What a fat-headed remark. Who supplies this black market ? Where does the tobacco come from ? It would be difficult to import.

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          • Blazer

             /  27th March 2017

            you can grow it.Especially in Nelson/Marlborough.Think about prohibition…where did liquor come from…you can nut it out.

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            • Kevin

               /  27th March 2017

              I upvoted you Blazer as I saw your reply after I posted mine.

      • Kevin

         /  27th March 2017

        The same ways Americans got their booze during prohibition.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  27th March 2017

          I know that it was grown in Nelson & Marlborough, but that was commercial and in large quantities. It would be rather obvious if someone was growing such large amounts now.

          Alcohol can be brewed from many things, but tobacco can’t be made from anything else-that would be a major difference. Anyone can make home-made wine, but try making tobacco.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  27th March 2017

            We don’t have a border as the US does with Canada, so bringing it in would be difficult. Anyone bringing it in would have to do this in large quantities to make it worth while, and it’s a lot bulkier than drugs.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  27th March 2017

    We have to make a decision here: do we ban ciggies from dairies or do we lock up all maori party members who could be robbing the dairies, i say lets lock up the maoris as Indians don’t appear on tv news every night committing crime

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    • So National have won you over have they Lurcher …?

      In the topic about Te Ture Whenua Maori Land Bill before Parliament, Labour’s Meka Whaitiri makes an extremely cogent point about taking great care to analyse “the unintended consequences of legislation” …

      We are encountering these now with our progressive Tobacco abolition legislation … except they may not have been “unintended” …

      Don’t be fooled … We don’t know the full agenda … probably very little of it … probably never will know all of it …

      Suffice to say, the additional ‘petty’ crime is useful to someone … and perhaps the fact it sometimes results in injury or fatality is a kind of economic “collateral damage” …?

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    • Corky

       /  27th March 2017

      Nothing like a reformed socialist. Same goes for smoker. I hope this isn’t a one off thing. If not, go get Parti.Teach him a lesson like these fine Trump supporters who where attacked first by feral liberal protesters.

      Oh, Lurchy, your new Rightie name is- ‘Swamp Thang’

      http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/25/huntington-beach-fight-breaks-out-at-pro-trump-rally/

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  27th March 2017

        I have never regretted stopping smoking.

        The idea of locking up 15% of the population ‘just in case’ is ridiculous.

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  7. What is the price of a cigarette in NZ Today? $1.00 each for tailor made . 200 pack of Benson and Hedges $262.00. Gram of “P” in Auckland (according to Stuff) is $800.00.
    It is big bikkies and something has to give. Maths say 4 pack of 200 B&H gives you 1 gram of “P”. Four pack fits easily into a backpack. So dealers would love to trade intact packs,

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  8. Blazer

     /  27th March 2017

    ‘the world is saying…YES…to bold,gold…Benson & Hedges’.

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  27th March 2017

      Can you believe that our Dad’s would have been *sucked in* by shite like this…….

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  27th March 2017

        Those were flavoured cigarettes, smelling of cherry, blueberry or burgundy…..would that be as disgusting as ordinary cigarette smoke ? The thought of a fruity cigarette is not very appealing-worse than menthol. Blueberry tobacco-ugh ! What were the dark ones with a winey sort of flavour that used to be around (and still could be, for all I know) ?

        I used to like Silk Cut (what glam ads) and Dunhill. It was considered madly cool to smoke Gauloises and Gitanes.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  27th March 2017

          Cherry cigarettes….how revolting.

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        • Nelly Smickers

           /  27th March 2017

          LOL ❗ Wayne’s mum was just telling me this old *cigarette joke*….you might even remember it *Catkin* ?

          *Capstan*, like a *First Lord* from *Pall Mall*, took *Virginia* for a *Park Drive*.
          He asked her if she was a *Player*, and she said she was *Craven A* chance to take *De Reszke*.
          When she showed him her *Silk Cut*, he moved in for a *Lucky Strike*……..

          [maybe best we just leave it there I think 😛 ]

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  9. k patel

     /  27th March 2017

    I do not AGREE WITH THIS as so many robberies at other store as well ..like POST SHOP KIWI BANK SUB WAY DOMINOS PIZZA ..PUB BAR SUPER MARKETS .. BETTEWR CLOSE EVERY THING AND THEY WILL NEXT ENTER AT HOME AND THEN DONT KEEP ANY THING AT HOME …

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  10. Blazer

     /  27th March 2017

    we are not and have never been..sheep…

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  11. Zedd

     /  28th March 2017

    the war on drugs, expanded
    They seem to be using high taxes, as another way to add tobacco to the black-market.. oh dear 😦

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  12. patupaiarehe

     /  28th March 2017

    I remember well, over two decades ago (before I got my ‘trade cert’), working at a servo, & my boss complaining about making the least money on the two things he sold the most of, those being petrol & cigarettes. He reckoned the government made ten times what he did off of both, for a tenth of the effort, & investment…

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  13. Blazer

     /  28th March 2017

    Kittys ..brand…

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