Cut health spend on smokers?

I had to read this headline several and opinion piece several times to figure out what Barry Soper was trying to say.

The Soap Box: Govt should put money where its mouth is and cut health spend on smokers

The drive is now on to have this country smoke free by 2025 – fat chance, but nevertheless it’s better to have a target to increase awareness than none at all. The smoking trend in this country is fortunately on the downward slope, even for the most prolific smokers, 18 to 24 year olds, who’ve kicked the habit with 24 percent of them still smoking, down 4 percent on 10 years ago.

Government subsidised quit smoking aids are plentiful, from nicorette chewing gum to patches and are available for a nominal fee for up to two months.    They’re now legalising E-cigarettes, and not before time, but for some unknown reason they’re resisting a subsidy at this stage for the nicotine liquid that goes in them.

If the Government’s really serious about making us healthier and cutting the health spend on smokers then it should put our money where its mouth is.

Soper is actually calling for a subsidy on E-cigarettes (that would be probably be controversial) presumably to help reduce tobacco smoking, which would reduce health costs, therefore the Government spend on health. That would take time.

Would a Government subsidy on E-cigarettes be a good social investment?

One possible ill-effect could be encouraging non-smokers to use subsidised vaping.

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  1. Encouraging vaping in any way is ridiculous. It looks stupid and is only encouraging the mental addiction to smoking which is much stronger and difficult to beat than nicotine addiction.
    The government continues to ignore one of the most effective ways of quitting smoking – hypnotherapy. Recognising and subsidising this would give a significant boost towards a smoke free country.

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    • David

       /  3rd April 2017

      “The government continues to ignore one of the most effective ways of quitting smoking – hypnotherapy”

      Your funny.

      “Recognising and subsidising this would give a significant boost towards a smoke free country.”

      Translation; give me money!

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    • Anonymous Coward

       /  3rd April 2017

      ” only encouraging the mental addiction to smoking which is much stronger and difficult to beat than nicotine addiction”.

      You realise that it IS nicotine right? And in high levels in some fluids. Don’t let the creaming soda and vanilla flavourings fool you. It’s not like that fruity stuff you put in Hookahs.

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    • Zedd

       /  3rd April 2017

      er maybe..

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    • Gezza

       /  3rd April 2017

      I tried hypnotherapy. It was a complete waste of time & money. Only works on people who’re easily suggestible.

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  2. Anonymous Coward

     /  3rd April 2017

    Vaping is still smoking, but with another 30 years of obsfucation by the tobacco industry as we try to figure out if it’s bad for us or not.
    ‘Big Tobacco’ has been buying up vaping companies for a few years now, and I’m sure they’re relishing the chance to profit from nicotine in a new, unregulated market.
    Vaping billboards at sports games? Blow your blueberry vape in her face magazine ads?
    Vaping liquids that are more addictive than tobacco? More profit?

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    • Gezza

       /  3rd April 2017

      True. A totally pointless drug. You get nothing from it. No buzz. No taking a trip but never leaving the farm. All it does is make you think you look cool (still think, given the poor spelling ability of people who’re coming out of our school system, they should pull the cig pack warning “smoking can make you impotent”) until you’re hooked, then it simply relieves the bodily & nervous stress it creates when you need another nicotine hit.

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  3. Many smokers are paying good money for often ineffective treatments like patches and pills. This is only making the pharmaceutical companies rich and costing the government in subsidies.
    I used to smoke 50+ cigarettes per day. I quit with psychological assistance, including hypnosis.

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  3rd April 2017

      I remember a *Hypnotist* convinced Wayne once, ‘that he was a soft, malleable metal with an atomic number of eighty-two’.

      He’s easily lead.

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      • Blazer

         /  3rd April 2017

        I hope you gave him a stiff. ..talking to.

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        • Anonymous Coward

           /  3rd April 2017

          And something about plums and bums.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  3rd April 2017

            He wouldn’t understand a Latin reference. It would be wasted on him.

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            • Nelly Smickers

               /  3rd April 2017

              Why do you always have to be so disparaging of Wayne, Catkin?

              *He knew in a crack* what it was ❗

              https://static1.squarespace.com/static/504e42d184aeae78a1b364b/t/573a92b240261d285567ea30/1463456442030/?format=500w

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  3rd April 2017

              I have no idea what knowing in a crack means, if anything-were you thinking of a ‘flash’ ? Or was he given a crack on the head ?

              He doesn’t know, from the sound of it, that plumbum is Latin for lead. Inde verbum nostrum ‘plumber’

              Maritus tuus plumbeus est.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  3rd April 2017

              Bringing attention to your cleverness whilst being at the same time so slow. Classic Kitty.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  3rd April 2017

              Slow ? Hardly. Anyone who took Science at 3rd form level would know what plumbum was, as well as argentum, aureum and the rest-it’s (plum bum)also a very old 3rd form joke, made since time immemorial, I would think. But I would think that the odds are against ‘Wayne’ knowing these things, asinus est. The lift not only doesn’t go to the top floor, it’ss stuck halfway.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  3rd April 2017

              Oh, the irony of the woman who loves books being obsessed with a fictional character.

  4. I think you will find some of our specialists do actually implement a rule of forcing prospective patients to make a decision on smoking. My vascular surgeon told me that he could fix my problem but would not operate until I had given up smoking. I stopped smoking that day and have not had one since (that was 1984). I subsequently had repairs done to left carotid artery and in a second operation a bypass of the right innominate artery. I was a 4 pack a day heavy smoker, and received no medical treatments or hypnosis to give up smoking. So it is possible, but you need to really want to give it up.

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    • Some can. Many can’t, or have a lot of difficulty.

      My mother gave up smoking through determination – twice, the second time permanently.

      My father wanted desperately to give up but always struggled.

      When his lungs got really bad from emphysema he tried a few more times, but it was cruel. Smoking suppressed some coughing. Within a week or two of stopping smoking his lungs would try to get rid of some of the sludge and his coughing was terrible. Smoking suppressed that urge, so he decided to ease the symptoms even if it hastened his death.

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      • Yes Pete, that is sad. I know I was lucky and I don’t put down smokers, because I myself as a smoker even though I don’t use them any more. The best advice is don’t start it is not worth it.

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    • Gezza

       /  3rd April 2017

      I think it’s more common among surgeons than we realise, refusing to operate on some patients who’re smokers. They say it complicates operstions & healing, among other things.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  3rd April 2017

        There’s no point in wasting an operation on someone who won’t stop doing the thing that made it necessary. I remember reading about Melbourne hospitals not doing various ops on people who would not give up smoking. It angered many people when George Best wasted his transplant by continuing to drink heavily; it could have gone to someone who’d make good use of it.

        I know a man whose blood pressure is so high that it’s a wonder that he hasn’t had a stroke or heart attack (and he’s only middle-aged) He puts so much salt on his meals that they must taste of nothing else ! I’d find them inedible. What a fool he is. Killing himself (probably) for THAT,

        My advice to smokers would be (apart from wanting to do it for yourself) that you can go for 24 hours without one-then another 24 and so on. I stopped all at once, and if I really wanted one, would tell myself that I could go without it for 24 hours !

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        • Nelly Smickers

           /  3rd April 2017

          I recall you telling the group that you were a *Silk Cut* girl, Catkin…..do you remember this ad from the early 80’s ❓

          I’m just a little surprised that someone of your self-confessed amazing intelligence was unable to read the….. *WARNING* XD

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