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The Syrian missile attacks have blown up UK-Russian relations.

Guardian: Russia hits back at UK and Boris Johnson over cancelled Moscow visit

Russian officials have launched a scathing attack on the UK over Boris Johnson’s decision to cancel an upcoming trip to Moscow due to increased tensions about Syria, threatening to bring relations to a new low.

The foreign secretary faced criticism at home and abroad on Sunday for postponing the visit, prompting his allies to say critics had put “polls and politics above sorting out a civil war”.

With the repercussions continuing from last week’s chemical weapons attack on civilians in Khan Sheikhun and a retaliatory US strike on a Syrian government airbase, the Russian foreign ministry and embassy in London belittled Britain’s role in the crisis.

The move showed a “fundamental misunderstanding or lack of knowledge of the events in Syria, Russia’s efforts to settle that crisis and the general objectives of diplomacy”, the Russian foreign ministry said. “The decision to call off Johnson’s visit to Moscow confirms once again doubts in the presence of added value in speaking to the UK, which does not have its own position on the majority of present-day issues, nor does it have real influence on the course of international affairs, as it remains ‘in the shadow’ of its strategic partners. We do not feel that we need dialogue with London any more than it does.”

Russia’s embassy in London, meanwhile, said it was “deplorable” that Johnson felt unable to meet his counterpart Sergei Lavrov. It tweeted mocking polls, including one that sought views on Donald Trump “as a wartime leader and Johnson as his lieutenant”.

Not a good sign.

A war of tweets is a new way to carry out international insults diplomacy – Trump already has a legacy.

44 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  April 10, 2017

    Not really Europe … but Christians

    Aljazeera TV Headline News only: BREAKING
    Two Blasts in Christian churches on Palm Sunday – in Tanta & Alexandria – Egypt. Several deaths & many more injured. Details still being received.
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    • Corky

       /  April 10, 2017

      I bet the Popes security detail are begging him to cancel his trip to Egypt. Can’t see that happening. To do so would mean Allah has the wood on our Christian god.

      God bless the Western way.

  2. Missy

     /  April 10, 2017

    It seems some comedians in the UK are a little upset that people outside London aren’t finding their anti-Brexit jokes, where they refer to the stupid decision and Leave voters as racist, quite so funny.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/04/comedians-tell-anti-brexit-jokes-damaging-careersas-audiences/

    • Gezza

       /  April 10, 2017

      Some people just have no sense of the ridicululous Missy. You & me are quite lucky there. We see it around a lot. 😃

  3. Gezza

     /  April 10, 2017

    Especially after a few drinks. (That should’ve said *ridiculous*.) 😬

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 10, 2017

    The Lefty Guardian and Independent are forever running around with the white flag up and their tails between their legs telling the world how weak the UK is.

    Meanwhile the Telegraph link I gave yesterday said Johnson and Tillerson are working together on forcing Russia out of Syria. Of course Russia is pissed.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 10, 2017

      Telegraph reports Johnson is working the G7 to tell Russia to get out of Syria. The US is moving into a huge base in northern Syria. Tillerson will meet the Russians next week.

      Also says the UK Russian embassy has a history of provocative tweets that come to nothing.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  April 10, 2017

        More info on the US moving bases out of Turkey and onto Syria. Also Germany leaving Turkey.

        http://www.debka.com/article/26004/US-Air-Force-to-quit-Incirlik-move-to-Syria-base

        • Gezza

           /  April 10, 2017

          So … US invading Syria now?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  April 10, 2017

            Teaming up with the Kurds in northern Syria. That will put the cat amongst a bunch of pigeons.

            • Gezza

               /  April 10, 2017

              The FSA won’t like this I imagine. Erdogan will need careful managing. Mightn’t be a bad idea to shoot down one of his planes to make sure he knows who’s in charge now, as far as the US is concerned.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 10, 2017

              Erdogan is getting the big cold shoulder from Europe. He hates Assad too and wants Russia to drop him. Conceivably Trump and Putin could compromise on an alternative to Assad in Syria.

      • Nelly Smickers

         /  April 10, 2017

        Let’s hope they’re right about the *tweets*, Al 😡

        • Gezza

           /  April 10, 2017

          Tricky business. My bet is that if this all actually comes to war, The Boris would be a lot more jovial about it than The Donald. 😐

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  April 10, 2017

            Putin will fight proxy wars with the US. He won’t fight a real one. He knew Obama was a talker not a doer so he took every advantage to make the US look weak and stupid. He will probably try to make Trump over-commit but Trump listens to his Generals, not his Senate, so I don’t expect Trump to do anything stupid militarily.

      • Gezza

         /  April 10, 2017

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 10, 2017

    Putin will be offered chance to rejoin G7 if he pulls out of Syria:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/09/putin-could-allowed-rejoin-g7-pulls-syria/

    As I noted above:

    Russia insisted yesterday it would “respond to any aggression” such as further US air strikes, but military analysts believe Mr Putin wants to avoid any direct clashes with the US, as he knows the Americans have far superior firepower.

    Last week the Kremlin indicated a significant softening of its stance when it said its support for Assad was “not unconditional”.

    That was widely interpreted to mean that while Russia would fight for Russian assets in Syria, it was prepared to cut Assad loose in the medium to long term.

    The Government believes that while Russia has ramped up its rhetoric over the weekend by raising the prospect of war with the West, Mr Putin will respect President Donald Trump as the first world leader prepared to stand up to him in Syria.

    The Guardian article PG loves is a load of Lefty crap.

  6. Seriously Gezza, do you think Ivanka’s alleged tweet would have any weight or past muster in the NS bunker

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 10, 2017

    Tillerson on how Trump made his decision. Shows just how bigoted and half-witted the Lefty MSM portrayal of him is:

    TILLERSON: Well, the president, I would tell you, was very thoughtful in terms of the decision to take the strike.

    He requested immediately from the Defense Department and our military planners multiple options and requested of the State Department, working with the National Security Council, diplomatic options.

    We had multiple meetings to discuss those options. He asked a number of questions, probing those, so that they were fully developed. And then we had two meetings down — once we arrived in Mar-a-Lago, in which ultimately the president made the ultimate decision.

    So, I think, John, yes, I would describe the president’s leadership in this issue was extraordinary in terms of the way he conducted those meetings. He clearly wanted everyone to express their personal views around the options. He invited everyone to express those openly, without reservation, so that he could consider all of those options.

    And he did consider them, and then ultimately made the decision. So I think it was a clear demonstration of his leadership, but also a clear demonstration of how well the team of people that he has put in place are able to work together to arrive at an answer that is clearly the right one.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/09/tillerson_first_priority_is_to_defeat_isis_assad_comes_later.html

    • Gezza

       /  April 10, 2017

      I wonder if option one was a tactical nuclear strike Al?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  April 10, 2017

        You’ll probably have to wonder for a long time, G.

        • Gezza

           /  April 10, 2017

          I’ll just wait for wikileaks to tell us.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  April 10, 2017

            More likely to be Obama appointee sources in the US intel swamp.

  8. Gezza

     /  April 10, 2017

    @ Al, I know you don’t particularly like to watch video clips but there probably won’t be a transcript of this.

    When it comes to negotiating a peace deal, this chap Rami Khouri – senior fellow and professor at the American University of Beirut – talking in the video here on Aljaz’s Inside Story last nite makes some interesting observations about what the situation now is on the ground in Syria – have a listen from 21.44 onwards.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2017/04/political-transition-reality-syria-170408181118494.html

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 10, 2017

      Was just talking to a friend who is soon to visit Lebanon to catch up with an old colleague. He says Lebanon has taken in 2 million refugees from Syria which is a huge number for a small country of only 4.5 million people. I watched that bit of the video. Sounded like there is an opportunity for the US and Russia to make a deal and not much hope if they don’t.

  9. patupaiarehe

     /  April 10, 2017

    This is (allegedly) from Yemen in 2015, and is (allegedly) a tactical nuke. Decide for yourselves, if tactical nukes are real…

    • Gezza

       /  April 10, 2017

      Yeah, Uggers floated that one last year. I was intrigued because I’d never seen a fiery mushroom cloud stalk from a conventional bomb, although the conspiracy theorists promoting this one said they were sending a team off to get soil sample & …. nothing!

      Until, watching bombing attack footage in Syria on Aljaz I saw two of these – from conventional bombs – dropped on Aleppo.

      • patupaiarehe

         /  April 10, 2017

        ‘Conventional’ bombs, dropped on Aleppo, G. Hmmmm… Who told you they were ‘conventional bombs’…
        This is from Iraq, and was uploaded to youtube in late 2006. Skip to 3:50…

        • Gezza

           /  April 10, 2017

          Several dozen poor people got gassed to death in Syria recently Patu. Someone filmed the ghastly results – but the point is – everyone heard about it as soon as it happened. I find it difficult to believe scores of people taken out by a burst of radiation poisoning in a tactical nuclear strike caught on camera we would never hear about in the msm. But that’s just me.

          • patupaiarehe

             /  April 10, 2017

            I’m not saying it was, I’m just providing links to what might be.

          • Gezza

             /  April 10, 2017

            Yes, I realise that. I thought you were inviting opinion so I gave you mine, with the main reason why I don’t believe they are tactical nukes. In the 2nd, I don’t know what the announcer is saying, but it’s night time, that explosion is huge, but there are several smaller explosions happening too. Could that be a refinery, storage tanks, ammo store? Do you see what I mean?

            I’ve remembered where Uggers got that first one in Yemen from. It was from a site called Veterans Today, I think. Would be interesting to see if they ever followed up on their intended investigation. The other reason it was worth a second look was because of the pixelation on the camera when the explosion hit. The claim was that that was the radiation. I must admit I have seen nothing like that on any other footage of massive explosions & resulting mushroom clouds I’ve ever found on YouTube.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  April 10, 2017

              I remember the ‘pixelation’ issue too. Who knows what the truth really is? I GTG, e hoa, got work in the morning, and am feeling pretty beat.

            • Gezza

               /  April 10, 2017

              Ma te wa e hoa.