Media watch – Wednesday

12 April 2017

MediaWatch

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  1. Gezza

     /  April 12, 2017

    Aljaz tv:

    Maryam:

    advises that the Iraqi Military says ISIS now controls less than 7% of Iraq & is continuing to lose ground.
    07.15am

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  2. Blazer

     /  April 12, 2017
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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  April 12, 2017

      Here we go Blaze……Wayne sez the only *FOREX ADVICE* worth remembering 😄

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  3. Gezza

     /  April 12, 2017

    Aljaz tv:

    United Airlines. Fly the friendly skies 😕

    @07.30am

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  April 12, 2017

      All may not be as it *appears*, G…..you can rely on *KTH* to go behind the headlines –

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      • Gezza

         /  April 12, 2017

        Yes but how *reliable* is Katie 🤔❓

        Three words (two elipses): Sadiq … Khan … sausage. 😐

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      • Anonymous Coward

         /  April 12, 2017

        And the cops that dragged him kicking and screaming knew this how?
        (assuming that it’s even true).

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      • Nelly Smickers

         /  April 12, 2017

        Even so……you boys must admit *Katie* does make a very good point….

        😄 😄

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        • Anonymous Coward

           /  April 12, 2017

          Katie has never made a good point, and you’ve made few yourself. I don’t know why the two of you bother sometime.
          **Deleted**

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        • Corky

           /  April 12, 2017

          Well, Nell, the way I see it, and given the compensation he will receive, he can squeal all he likes as long a he remembers his very distant round-eye relly in Aoteatoa called Corky.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  April 12, 2017

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  April 12, 2017

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    • Gezza

       /  April 12, 2017

      Hard to say. To be honest I’d very surprised if he’s read the Quran – or the Bible.
      Or a newspaper either.

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    • Anonymous Coward

       /  April 12, 2017

      Maybe they’re ‘lag dots’.

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  April 12, 2017

      A couple of the lads at work, are far more avid rugby fans than I. And at lunchtime today, they both agreed that he should be ‘given the boot’ from the Blues, as well as the ABs, before I’d even opened my mouth… 😀

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      • I tend to agree, he can be good at times but he isn’t a great All Black, and probably never will be. The best are fully committed and dedicated.

        He did one or two things reasonably well in last Saturday’s game, inflated by commentators, but he also stuffed up a pass which could have cost the Blues the game.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  April 12, 2017

          Yup, ‘that pass’ was mentioned, I didn’t get it at the time, but it makes sense now 🙂
          Comparisons were being made between his behaviour, & that of Michael Jones. Regarding Mr Jones, I told the boys of a scripture, where Jesus asked the Jews whether they would rescue one of their stock, if they fell down a well on the sabbath. I also suggested (as I did here yesterday), that if SBW has a genuine objection to being sponsored by the BNZ, he should play for nothing. One of my rugby mad workmates replied, “If he’s gonna keep fumbling passes, he fucking should!!!”. 😀

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  4. I listened to ‘Democracy Now’ this morning (USA indep. radio) They said Jeff Sessions (new Attorney-General ?) has reaffirmed that the USAs, support the WAR on DRUGS.. using Nancy Reagan’s (1980s) message; ‘Just say NO to Drugs !’
    He also said that there could be a challenge to states that have already decrim./legalised cannabis (still a schedule #1 ‘narcotic’ under DEA federal law).

    What a totally regressive move, that could see states like Colorado pushed back into line with countries like….. Aotearoa/NZ !!! 😦

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  5. patupaiarehe

     /  April 12, 2017

    Here’s something interesting. A DNA verified, full blooded Maori…
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11836467
    She seems pretty ‘stoked’ about it, & good for her. Kia kaha, ataahua wahine…
    And then we have this…
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11836259
    Which really begs the question, what is going wrong here?
    I have a theory on this, but rather than making it about ‘Maori’, I think it would be best explained another way.
    Let’s think of the Jews. ‘Jewish’ can refer to both an ethnicity, and a ‘belief system’. A lot of white folk have Jewish ancestry, but have never visited a synagogue. They share a ‘bloodline’, with orthodox folk, who live in Israel & wear funny hats, but that’s about all they have in common.
    To put this in a ‘Kiwi’ perspective, ‘Maori’ can be applied both ways too. Anyone who has an ‘early settler’ for a forefather, can identify as Maori, even if they have no idea about ‘Tikanga’, and can’t ‘Korero Te Reo’ to save themself.
    This, I suspect, is where the problem lies. While Corrections waste countless amounts of money & time, having ‘hui’ with the leaders of Iwi, to try & address the problem, a minority of the brown folk who identify as ‘Maori’, who live in the cities, and who have no connection to any Iwi, continue to commit crime.

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  April 12, 2017

      Tautoko patupaiarehe well put.

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  April 12, 2017

        Kiaora, my marsupial friend. I’m glad that you agree, and see the point that I’m trying to make.

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    • Gezza

       /  April 12, 2017

      In terms of the second article, I’m a bit puzzled about what you are saying exactly patu, in terms of what should be done about reducing Maori crime? Should the government be reclassifying these people? Doing something different with the funding? Interested to hear your further thoughts.

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  April 12, 2017

        In terms of the second article, I’m a bit puzzled about what you are saying exactly patu, in terms of what should be done about reducing Maori crime

        ‘Maori crime’, G? What I am trying to point out, is that it isn’t ‘Maori crime’. it is crime committed by those who are ‘Maori’ by default. Because that is the ethnicity that they state, when they are arrested.

        Should the government be reclassifying these people

        “These people”, G??? I’d caution you to be careful with your words, but as you well know, I’m not a fan of political correctness. What I will say, is that those who commit crime, and identify as ‘Maori’, are most likely completely disconnected from real ‘Maori culture’…

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        • Gezza

           /  April 12, 2017

          My apologies – I am using the term “Maori crime” because I thought that was the term used in the article.

          These people means the people you are referring to – the Maori who are disconnected from real Maori culture. I’m not quite sure how you think I may be treading on dangerous ground here? With whom?

          How would you prefer to define this group of individuals – and then we can perhaps deal with the question of where we are going with this, because I already understood this situation without needing to see it related to Jewish people?

          Are you thinking the Government is doing the right thing, wrong thing? Could put more funding in somewhere? What?

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          • Gezza

             /  April 12, 2017

            Do you think more should be done to introduce them to real Maori culture – if so how?

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          • patupaiarehe

             /  April 12, 2017

            The govt are doing the wrong thing., IMHO. Anyone who is involved with their local marae, who commits any crime, will get a ‘slap around the ears’ from the Kuia. And if he doesn’t hang his head in shame, & take it, he knows the consequences will be far worse. Just ask Possum.
            The problem with so called ‘Maori crime’, is that it isn’t a ‘cultural thing’. Those who are involved in ‘the culture’, are not the ‘Maori’ who are committing crime. Those who aren’t, are the ones who are. And Corrections can talk to Iwi leaders, until they are blue in the face, and it won’t make any difference to anyone. The small minority of ‘Maori’, who are giving their ‘ethnic brethren’ a bad name, are completely disengaged from any Iwi.

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            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2017

              So, you are saying more should be done to get them engaged with their hapu marae to help reduce crime? I think this is a good idea. I am not sure how it could work in practice if they don’t identify with one or want to move closer to it.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  April 12, 2017

              Rather than talking about what ‘they’ should do, I’d suggest you read Possum’s comment below

            • Gezza

               /  April 13, 2017

              Yes I have. I always read possum’s comments, as I read yours. And I think it’s a good idea. So, the next questions I guess that would need to worked on would inckude issues like

              – what level of criminal or anti-social behaviour qualifies for someone to be sent to a marae, as opposed to jail ?
              – which marae?
              – are all marae up to this job? Are all kaumatua & kuia and marae committees respected?
              – can they house them?
              – how long will they be there?
              – what if they leave rather than accept marae constraints?
              – does it raise the risk of drugs coming onto the marae?

              I eould like to see something like this tried, but it seems to me there are quite a lot of things that might have to be worked through here, and with quite a lot of marae.

              If you can find a way to stop media reporting examples of crime committed by people of non-European ancestry I’d be very keen to hear it. The problem is often not that they do that, because many have European names like *Peters*, but that they show the people involved.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  April 13, 2017

              You’re falling into the ‘they’ trap again G. And I think I understand why. A very small minority of ‘offenders’, are beyond help, and should just be shot, Well in your opinion, anyway. I’d far rather they suffered first… Anyhow, regarding the others….
              Prison helps nobody. It’s an unenjoyable environment, if you are a big older guy, and I imagine it is fucking terrifying, to a smaller young guy, who has only seen it in movies…
              I don’t know the solution G. What I do know, is that imprisoning a young man, who has already decided that he can’t be fucked with the rules of society, will only make him a better criminal…

            • Gezza

               /  April 13, 2017

              “You’re falling into the ‘they’ trap again G. And I think I understand why”

              No I’m not. And no you don’t. I was an analyst. My job was to help assess the impacts of policy *ideas* & design & implement changes impacting thousands of people across a global system. When somebody presents an idea as worthy of consideration I start assessing it.

            • Gezza

               /  April 13, 2017

              Anyway, it’s an issue I’m sure will come up again. The article suggests that some activity along these lines might already be taking place, but on its own it may not be sufficient. There is a need to address the other significant drivers of crime across affected sectors & this approach needs to be integrated into other initiatives including education, skills acquisition & worthwhile decently paid employment. Without these, this idea on its own is unlikely in my opinion to do enough to significantly help.

              I’d better shut my eyes for a couple hours & pretend I’m sleeping so I can tell the doctor I did. Ka kite e hoa.

          • Pickled Possum

             /  April 12, 2017

            Heya bro Puzzle No More 😉
            “Maori crime” why is there not Scottish crime Chinese crime???
            Any way I digress a little …
            What are we Really going to do about all crime; committed by all nationalities here in NZ, this is the question that seems to build more prisons.

            “How would you prefer to define this group of individuals”

            As individuals by their name Mr and Mrs Black from the Jet Stream, Up High.
            or what ever. Why Not?
            There does seem to be a real need for media to point out that A perpetrator that is Maori will have their ethnicity named.????
            How often does the Irish French South African etc perpetrator get called by his ethnicity????

            “What should be done on reducing Maori crime” you ask.

            Well for my tuppence worth, going back to the marae and having justice dealt there. It works and for some young men, and it could put an end to going to the biggest crime skool … prison.
            That I would think would reduce crime; committed by disinfected Maori …
            For once they knew their culture and tikanga they would be able to make an informed decision on which path to take.
            I agree with patupaiarehe and his korero.
            How do we separate tikanga Maori from Maori??
            it is a matter of a 5 min quiz. IMHO

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            • patupaiarehe

               /  April 12, 2017

              I’m always up for a quiz, ataahua wahine… 😉

            • Pickled Possum

               /  April 12, 2017

              OK Just a quick one for starters,
              Name 4 things that don’t belong on a table?
              Catch up tomorrow, maybe?
              I have 1 thousand things to do and now its raining!! again.
              How am i going to skin a wet possum? very slippery of course.
              Night yous.

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2017

              Heya sis

              ‘“Maori crime” why is there not Scottish crime Chinese crime.”
              Well there is, in a way, in fact there is a dedicated small bunch of people only too happy to identify, in particular, crime committed by folk of non-European ancestry by the ethnicity or country of origin of the offender, as we know – although most often it’s along the lines of “how did we let these people in”? And it includes people in the media.

              I think one reason there’s not much call to break down ethnicity of Europeans is because there’s no special status or disadvantage attached to being of such ethnicity. Few of us would know all of our ancestry or tribal affiliations I suspect. So for example, a solution to our crime rate is not likely to benefit from sending me home to Ireland. In fact, some of those characters could make me worse – who knows? Where I come from they drink like fishes and have punch ups in the pubs, according to me bro who went there.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  April 12, 2017

              How do we separate tikanga Maori from Maori??

              Well put, Possum. Obviously I understand this concept, but many others don’t.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  April 13, 2017

              I think one reason there’s not much call to break down ethnicity of Europeans is because there’s no special status or disadvantage attached to being of such ethnicity.

              You are quite correct, regarding how white folks view each other in NZ, G. Folk who are ‘fair skinned’, tend to ‘blend in’ pretty easily here, even if they talk a little funny.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  April 13, 2017

              @ Possum
              My bum
              My dog
              My feet
              My shoes
              Ka kite, Miss 🙂

            • Pickled Possum

               /  April 13, 2017

              @ well Done patupaiarehe passed with flying colours. 😉

              @ Geez Your spot on there bro, really you are.
              Can you see the dilemma for someone like me
              with multiply ethnicities (E for short)

              For me the Viking sometimes roars
              the Irish in me tells a joke No one gets
              cos they don’t understand my talk
              then there is the English the Pacific Islander and
              don’t get me started on the Negro! I always sing gospel and
              my fingas just want to do honkey tonk on the ivories.
              So I am made up of all this International DNA
              it speeds thru my body with some times internal wranglings a plenty.
              Butt I identify as maori the littlest drop makes the biggest impact on my life.

              I see so many successful maori in all walks of life, doing really well.
              Juggling the mortgage, the work, the children, the friends, the turangawaewae, juggle it all with lots of love fun and laughter.
              Only to be thought of in the wider sense as a …….. maori.
              Fill your most heard word in the space, the most derogatory word.
              It makes for misplaced anger on both sides. dontcha think?

              There has been marae that have set up Marae Justice and it works well.
              Gisborne Te Awamutu etc.
              Drugs and alcohol is Not acceptable on the marae and any transgression will quickly be dealt with, hehe ‘the ole slap around the taringa to make them work’ trick.

              I think a disinfected-sanitised maori, who does crime, will benefit from marae justice. Those marae that put forward their name for this project will have kaumatua ready willing an very able to fulfil their duties. Lots of beejay cal la bra type bros, To enter into this project takes dedication and lots of hui with plenty of doey.
              It will not be undertaken lightly, rest assured of that.

              The level of crime would have to be decided on the usual jail-able outcome of the crime. Burglary with no violence would be the lower scale.
              Murder GBH etc, being a custodial offence, would have to be dealt with on the bi-cultural level (the one they all talk about an installed in govt depts years ago.) A sliding scale of punishment as a eg.
              I have many thoughts about why maori are such an institutionalised people, and patupaiarehe thoughts are the closest words to the truth.

              And heaven forbid Geezzaa if you got in to trouble with pirihimana and was report as ‘Irish man today threw mud at some politician.’
              Would I think All Irish are mud slinger’s?
              Rain rain and now flooding Kaeo under AGAIN
              Water every where.

            • Gezza

               /  April 13, 2017

              “Would I think All Irish are mud slinger’s?”

              Drunken bums, the lotta them, sis. Just ask any Ulsterman.

  6. It’s interesting that in the USA Indian tribes apply various test and rules to exclude claimants to tribes.

    “For decades, individual tribes have established their own requirements for membership. In some cases, they have excluded members who had long been part of the tribe. Common tribal membership requirements require documented lineal descent from a Native American member listed on the Dawes Rolls, or an early 20th-century census; in some cases they may also require a certain percentage of Native American ancestry, and demonstrated residence with a tribe or commitment to the community. Unlike the provisions of the Indian Reorganization Act, many tribes allow members to claim ancestry in more than one tribe. For instance, the Little Traverse Bay Bands of Odawa Indians accept persons of 1/4 North American Indian ancestry, plus documented descent from an ancestor listed in specific records. In part, this recognizes that the Odawa people historically had a territory on both sides of what is now the border between the US and Canada.

    Each federally recognized tribe has established its own criteria for membership.[4] Given the new revenues that many tribes are realizing from gambling casinos and other economic development, or from settlement of 19th-century land claims, some have established more restrictive rules to limit membership.

    In 2007 the Cherokee Nation voted in the majority to exclude as members those Cherokee Freedmen who had no documented ancestors on the Cherokee-by-blood list of the Dawes Rolls. But, the Cherokee Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that they were legitimate members of the tribe at that time. After the Civil War, the US required the Cherokee and other Indian tribes that had supported the Confederacy to make new treaties. They also required them to emancipate their slaves, and to give full tribal membership to those freedmen who wanted to stay in tribal territory. The Cherokee Freedmen often had intermarried and some had Cherokee ancestry at the time of the Dawes Rolls, qualifying as Cherokee by blood, but registrars typically classified them as Freedmen; registration was often inaccurate.”

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  April 13, 2017

      Very Interesting Trav
      I belong to an Iwi that we register with to give mandate and to do that you must show whakapapa-lineage to the waka and ancestor I am connected to.
      Failure to do this or some how like mine got lost in the computer change over, will get you a letter denying any relevance to the hapu iwi.
      So when I signed my voting papers? and gave my hapu iwi name I received a letter from the admin – kaiwhakahaere saying I was not registered as a member of the hapu iwi and had No claim to say I was!!
      Well I have to say I was most PO and emailed some strong words to the effect
      …. Nothing can change who I am, just because the piece of paper was missing.
      The worse thing or stupid non knowing thing was it was my cousin who sent me the letter.
      Go figure eh.

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  April 15, 2017

        Pure BS, my sister. You know who you are, just as well as I know my own identity…

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  7. Shoes
    Animals
    Bottoms
    Empty glasses?🤔

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  April 13, 2017

      Morena Trav
      3 of the above are not allowed on a kai table under tikanga.
      Empty glasses is just not in the mix. But you already know that, eh Trav?
      Hope that answers the ? … cue …. emoji face of wgaff!

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