UK & Europe – Maundy Thursday

Topics about the UK, EU and Europe.


Missy posts from London:

I know many on here don’t care about the Royal Family – or christianity, but I do love the traditions around both, and Maundy Thursday is one such tradition.

Today HM went to Leicester Cathedral to dispense coins for Maundy Thursday – though these days they are not a case of distributing coins to the poor, but rather a ceremony of dispensing especially minted coins to those specially selected who serve the community.

The Queen has now conducted Maundy service in every Anglican Cathedral.

Daily Mail: Germany urges Kosovo to pass border deal with Montenegro

Germany’s foreign minister urged Kosovo’s political parties on Thursday to approve the border demarcation agreement with Montenegro to end their status as the only Western Balkan country without free travel rights in Schengen zone countries.

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  1. Missy

     /  April 14, 2017

    One of the new policies that Theresa May has brought in is to increase the number of Grammar Schools – selective State Schools, however, Labour are against such a policy, and selective schools in general. One problem with Labour’s opposition is that many senior MPs – and staff – either sent, or send their children to selective schools – both Private and Grammar.

    BBC’s Nick Robinson brought this inconsistency up with the Labour Shadow Education Secretary, and leaving her floundering by all accounts.

  2. Missy

     /  April 14, 2017

    Former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Carey, claims that the UK Government is institutionally biased against Christian refugees from Syria. He also says that the Government are breaking the law – and their own manifesto by not accepting more Christian Refugees.

    Behind the paywall in this morning’s Telegraph was an opinion piece by Lord Carey in which he talked about the Genocide faced by Christians in the Middle East, and how the media – and west – are ignoring it. He suggests that there is a wilful resistance in Governments to recognise what is happening – and the attacks by ISIS against Christians – as a genocide because it will mean they will have to act.

    His piece says that the officials claim to have legal advice not to tackle discrimination against Christians, however, he believes the real motivation is that Officials don’t want to be considered anti-Muslim.

    This is indeed a sad thing, I am sure the Christians currently being persecuted in the Middle East would expect Christian nations in the West to help them, they must wonder what our values are that we discriminate against them in favour of those that are persecuting them.

    Something to reflect on this Easter – could we (as in the Christian West) do more to help the Christians from the Middle East? I think we could.

    • I would hope that Christians in the West reflect on what they could do to help more than just Christians from the Middle East.

      • Missy

         /  April 14, 2017

        Pete, shouldn’t we help the most vulnerable? the group being persecuted and at risk of being completely wiped out in the Middle East? Shouldn’t we be prioritising those that are at most risk of genocide? If so, then at present in the Middle East it is Christians, the problem is that the PC brigade are so scared of being labelled racist or Islamaphobic they are ignoring the plight of Christians. It is somehow seen as shameful to want to help Christians over Muslims – why?

        It is the media that are bending over backwards not to be seen to be favouring Christians over other religions that are ignoring what is happening in the Middle East. It is the Officials afraid of being told they are Islamaphobic that are – consciously or unconsciously – discriminating against Christians.

        The majority of the refugee camps in the Middle East are run by Muslim officials hostile to minorities – including Christians. As a result many of the refugees are too scared to enter the camps, they then miss out.

        The west is predominantly Christian, surely we have a moral duty to help Christians above others, because if we don’t help them who will? Who will provide the refuge and places of safety for the Christians in the Middle East who face persecution and potential genocide if the West does not.

        We cannot help everyone, we need to prioritise, and I believe it is our duty to prioritise Christians over Muslims from the Middle East – there are enough Muslim countries to help the Muslim refugees, but there are no other Christian countries if the West gives up on them.

        • The ‘most vulnerable’ is very subjective. Why should it be limited to people who follow one religion?

          • Missy

             /  April 14, 2017

            Why shouldn’t it if they are?

            Or do you not consider a group that is the victim of genocide as being the most vulnerable?

            Have a read of some of the excerpts from Lord Carey’s article below. He also discusses (briefly) the Yazidi’s as being persecuted to the same extent, but the focus is on Christians naturally as he is a Christian, and it is Maundy Thursday.

            I understand that you aren’t religious, that you don’t like discrimination – but seriously to suggest that persecuted Christians should not be given priority by Christian countries (and like it or not NZ and UK are still Christian countries) is just taking it a bit too far in my opinion.

            Not everyone can be helped, and I believe that as a Western Christian country our priority should be to help the Christians fleeing what is essentially a genocide, but I understand that there are those who don’t think the same.

            • But why pick just one group that has been a victim of genocide? Shouldn’t all groups who have been subject to genocide be considered ‘the most vulnerable’?

  3. Missy

     /  April 14, 2017

    Some parts from Lord Carey’s piece on the genocide of Christians in the Middle East. The article is Premium (behind the paywall), but if you subscribe you should be able to see it:

    “There are millions in the Middle East today whose identities are attacked daily. They are being eradicated in a region of the world where they have always coexisted with others. These are ancient communities who face a daily threat of being slaughtered in the relentless brutality of war.”

    “One of the most disturbing things about the current crisis is how slow the world has been to recognise that Christians, and indeed other groups such as Yazidis, are facing genocide in Syria and Iraq. Even those governments which recognise there is a serious problem are sitting on their hands and doing nothing to prevent the eradication of Christians from the birthplace of our faith.”

    “Some 75 per cent of indigenous Iraqi Christians have been forced to leave their homes since 2003 along with 45 per cent of Syrian Christians.”

    “The massive aid budget of which the government is rightly proud is being funnelled by the Department for International Development into the UN camps which claim to offer shelter and a potential route to the West for the most needy.”

    “Yet here is the problem. These camps are invariably run by Muslim officials who are often hostile to minorities – especially Muslims who have converted to Christianity. So the refugees who are too scared to enter the camps lose out on both food aid and opportunities to find sanctuary in safer countries.”

    “For several years now, Christian aid agencies and religious liberty groups have consistently presented evidence to British officials and ministers that Syrian Christians and Iraqis who are internally displaced are not to be found in the UN camps which discriminate against them.

    And this situation is reflected in the data. Christians made up nearly 10% of the Syrian population before the civil war began in 2011 but Home Office figures show that last year they received less than two per cent of the asylum places provided by Britain under its vulnerable person scheme. (51 out of 2,659 Syrian refugees in the year to June 2016.) The latest figures show that the position has worsened further with less than 1% of refugees accepted in the third quarter of last year being Christians. (Between July and September 2016 only 13 of the 1,583 Syrian refugees accepted under the scheme were Christians.)”

    “he law has been broken. So says advice I have received from the religious liberties barrister Paul Diamond. His counsel is that even though the government’s intention is not to discriminate against minorities, the results of the policy appear to be illegal “indirect discrimination.”

    The advice also explains how the persecution of minorities has been so severe that it has been described as “genocide” by the Council of Europe, the European Parliament, the US Congress and the House of Commons.”

    “The Muslim victims of the conflict in the Middle East deserve the same compassion as the minority victims. But at the moment they are receiving greater support than the minorities which are targeted by Muslim extremists.

    If we want to become an even more tolerant nation then we have to rethink what it is to be faith-blind in our government, media and judiciary. Let us start with the government resolving to fulfil its promises and manifesto commitments to support persecuted Christians facing genocide today.”

  4. Gezza

     /  April 14, 2017

    HM’s hat is a work of art.