Possibly “Irreversible” Slide Towards Nuclear War

There is little doubt North Korea would come off very badly if the tensions between them and the US burst into military action.

But they are not likely to be the only ones severely impacted.

China, South Korea and Japan in particular will be very uneasy about the escalating confrontation.

Trump and the US are a lot safer lobbing bombs from afar, but at risk to them is their standing in the world.

While New Zealand is a long way from any potential nuclear fallout the trade repercussions could impact us.

And I’d be very wary of travelling in that region at the moment.

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  1. If the US decides to preemptive strike the North Koreans there will be zero the North Koreans can do about.

    It will arrive by stealth in the middle of the night – the carrier group is a smokescreen, the real strikes will come from the US mainland, Diego Garcia and maybe Guam or another US base in the Pacific. They wont use any allies territory so they won’t have to let anyone know what they are doing.

    Long range stealth aircraft refueling in the air, flying through NK radar defenses and taking out launch sites, command and control centres and probably decapitating the senior NK leadership, including the leading scientists & technicians, at the same time.

    And any sign the North Koreans are prepping a nuclear strike will see them destroyed utterly

    The more likely scenario here is the NK military remove the Dear Leader at the orders of the Chinese Ambassador in Pyongyang. I doubt those around the current Kim family leader want to be killed by the Americans to support him

    Trump is Trump. But the High Command of the US Military aren’t amateurs, regardless of what some partisan with a twitter handle of @weneedhillary thinks…

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    • That would need to be a 100% successful pre-emptive strike, do you really think the US could manage that?

      What if North Korea is spooked by the perception of an impending pre-emptive strike and tries some pre-emptive striking of it’s own?

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      • 1 – It probably wont need to happen as the core scenarios are either Dear Leader removal on order of the Chinese OR another food for Nukes deal as has happened in the past.

        2 – And if push came to shove YES the US could take out Pyongyangs ability to launch. Cyber combined with Stealth and possible Special Ops on the ground as well. north Korea wouldn’t know what hit them. They are not China or Russia – they don’t have the territory to hide in or the technology to cloak with either. Turkey shoot

        Nuclear war, started by a great power, is less likely now than it has been for a long time.

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        • “Nuclear war, started by a great power”

          Trump isn’t a great power then?

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          • He wont start it Pete…. please. I know you think he is an idiot but that is stetching things a bit far.

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            • But the brinkmanship has already started. Trump and Kim are both inextricably involved in deliberate escalation.

              The first move of military aggression will be long past the point of ‘starting it’.

            • Sigghhhhh. Kim wont do anything. He does its all over for him. He has everything to lose and little to gain.

              Again if he evens looks like commanding a first strike the US will neutralise him and his entire command structure plus destroy what capability he has at his disposal…

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 16, 2017

            Trump is only great in the sense of size.

            If he threatens to plunge the world into nuclear war for his own egotistical reasons, he really is mad-but surely, surely he will be stopped in this.Doesn’t the silly whoreson realise that not only the US has these things ?

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        • Blazer

           /  April 16, 2017

          the last sentence has riders’….the real question is…..how likely is nuclear war right now?

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 16, 2017

            How likely is it that the rest of the world would stand aside and let the US kill so many people to make Trump feel like a big hero ? Or not care that the huge country will bomb the small one-that hasn’t declared war on it-to pieces ?

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            • One of a kind

               /  April 16, 2017

              Technically the US is still at war with North Korea as the Korean war ended in an an armistice so you could argue they could be justified to continue fighting at any time.

              The problem you have Kitty, is that Glorious Leader of the North has atomic weapons.

              Seoul (population 10 million) is only a few km from the NK border.

              Glorious Leader is doing his best to construct a Ballistic Missile that will allow him to fire a nuke at the US mainland and he has the ego to use it.

              So if there is a chance/risk of a nuke detonating in Seoul or San Francisco or Honolulu then Trump is more than justified in initiating a pre-emptive strike.

              As a secondary factor freedom for 25 million North Koreans is no bad thing either.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  April 17, 2017

              But Trump could say that of anyone and blow them to pieces. I’d want some evidence.

              It seems to me that we have two massive egos here. They have a lot in common-their cor-blimey hairstyles could not be more different, but they both seem to think that because it’s them, they look great.

              Glorious Leader would probably be replaced by Fabulous Leader who’d be just as bad-how often does someone who has a terrible partner go into a relationship with someone who’s a carbon copy of the them ?

              Seriously, would the police be justified in shooting anyone who had a rifle in the house just in case they used it ?

    • Corky

       /  April 16, 2017

      Dave, you have painted the scenario to a tee. I would make you a 5 star armchair general straight away.

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  2. duperez

     /  April 16, 2017

    “Severely impacted” seems to be a nice euphemism for what will happen to those closest to point to where the tensions between North Korea and the US “burst into military action.”

    And that in itself is a nice euphemism in a piece about the possibility of Nuclear War.

    If nuclear weapons are used lots of people are likely to be be fried.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3194437/We-not-prepared-Scientist-reveals-terrifying-vision-happen-America-hit-nuclear-bomb.html

    On Friday Alan Wilkinson 
quite rightly asked, “Where is the front when you are firing cruise missiles and attacking with drones?” after I had asked how many Trumps would be at the front when the war starts and US citizens have to be sent to deal to the forces of evil.
     
    The front is where the tensions between North Korea and the US burst into military action and people are severely impacted. The Trumps are not likely to be near those points but the impacts on Trumps are not to be under-estimated. Access to Gucci and all the other fine things in life are likely to be less easy. Oh the humanity!

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  3. Zedd

     /  April 16, 2017

    I heard the ‘Nuke-war clock’ stopped, at ‘a few minutes to midnight’ (after the Bay of Pigs)
    BUT it seems that Mr T, Mr K & others are rapidly trying to restart it ??

    Methinks that there will be NO winners, if it does break out.. only many thousands of dead people & massive destruction ! 😦

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  4. Conspiratoor

     /  April 16, 2017

    Young Kim already has an effective deterrent. Look for him to move all the foreign journos to an undisclosed location, on the eve of a ‘big announcement’. The US are not going to bomb a launch site with 120 lefty media hacks in close proximity …or maybe

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  April 16, 2017

      And another *Young Kim* raises his middle-finger to the US 😄

      Stick it to ’em babe ❤

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  5. David

     /  April 16, 2017

    North Korea is every bit as bad as the Nazi regime, why does the world continue to tolerate it?

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    • Gezza

       /  April 16, 2017

      China & Russia.

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      • David

         /  April 16, 2017

        Russia has very little interest in NK these days, it’s now just China. How much longer will they tolerate it for? Perhaps Trump will negotiate a deal…

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    • Blazer

       /  April 16, 2017

      all North Korea seems to do is grandstand and rattle sabres .They have been doing this since the 1950’s ,so, what significant developments can you cite that make the regime comparable to the Nazis?

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      • David

         /  April 16, 2017

        I don’t know, perhaps all the starving, death camps, and terror inflicted on the North Korean people.

        Perhaps that.

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        • Blazer

           /  April 16, 2017

          I see ,so you really are a bleeding heart liberal,concerned about the suffering of people in faraway places……who ever …would…have…thought!

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          • David

             /  April 16, 2017

            Not in the slightest. There is a simple choice here, accept North Korea is a permanent state of affairs, or act.

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            • Blazer

               /  April 16, 2017

              so its been accepted for decades,whats…changed?

            • David

               /  April 16, 2017

              Trump. Please keep up, it was on the news and everything.

            • Blazer

               /  April 16, 2017

              So Nth Korea has not changed,but the POTUS has ,so this is the catalyst to address…’all the starving, death camps, and terror inflicted on the North Korean people.’.I see.

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    • Gezza

       /  April 16, 2017

      He shouldn’t feel too bad. The World’s Greatest Military only managed a score of 59/60 successes.

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  April 16, 2017

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    • Feint or failure?

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    • One of a kind

       /  April 16, 2017

      If I dragged out my piece of left over tinfoil I would wonder if the US had something to do with the missile’s destruction.

      NK have launched a fair number of missiles over the last few years and suddenly one blows up in the middle of the crisis?

      Just curious – with things like the Stuxnet virus, the US directed energy weapon, and other covert means I just wonder if the destruction of the missile was assisted?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Weapon_System

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      • How do we know for sure that a missile launch was attempted and if so if it failed?

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      • It may be worth recalling a bit of history. The Us claimed it was attacked in the Golf of Tonkin on 4 August 1964. That proved to be a false claim, but it was used to justify ‘retaliatory’ attacks and the signing of the Tonkin Resolution that gave President Lyndon Johnson the (US) power to conduct military operations including a full scale war without needing to declare war.

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      • Corky

         /  April 16, 2017

        Or an electro pulse weapon. You can make one out of a house hold microwave oven and fry the neighbours appliances.

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  7. alloytoo

     /  April 16, 2017

    The ever pragmatic Chinese will come to the conclusion that selling cheap goods to the US is far better idea than supporting the embarrassment that is North Korea and a pointless expensive shooting war.

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  8. Zedd

     /  April 16, 2017

    maybe Mr T needs to be reminded; that a gang of ‘the bullied’ could actually rise up against the ‘biggest bully’ (in the playground) & give him a bloody nose !

    the bigger they come.. the harder they fall 😦

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    • David

       /  April 16, 2017

      Your definition of a bully is surprising. Kim Jong Un seems quite high on the bully scale I would have thought.

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  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 16, 2017

    The chances are high to a near certainty that the US has thoroughly hacked the NK weapons systems as well as their communication systems. If Trump decides to take them out I would expect it to be via a combination of cyber and conventional weapons, not nuclear.

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    • Kevin

       /  April 16, 2017

      Agreed. The world can’t afford to let NK get nuclear weapons but the US can take their nuclear manufacturing out using highly sophisticated conventional weapons and cyber technology. All this talk about nuclear war is just another form of TDS (looking at you, Presland).

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 16, 2017

      Who thinks it was a lucky coincidence the latest NK missile launch blew up?

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  10. Nelly Smickers

     /  April 16, 2017

    Yet *another* worrying development…..

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  11. Kevin

     /  April 16, 2017

    What I’d like to see is a joint military action between the US and China against North Korea. The Chinese supply the troops and the US supplies the technology, logistics, weaponry and (air) support. Once the North Korean government is gone it’s replaced by an international caretaker “government” until proper elections are held.

    Ok, maybe this is way out of the realms of possibility. Maybe it’s just to difficult and costly. Maybe the relationship between North Korea and China precludes it. But the North Korean government has to go. North Korea is a virtual prison. As Trump would say, it’s terrible, just terrible.

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  12. Nelly Smickers

     /  April 16, 2017

    Amidst all this turmoil and mayhem…..at least the *FLOTUS* appears to have her priorities all sorted 😄

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  13. Blazer you asked what has changed with North Korea. Start with it now has up to 20 nuclear devices, an unknown number of chemical weapons stockpiled in various locations and a history of using them against individual opponents, they also have long range diesel powered extra quiet submarines and SLBM (the Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles on parade on 15 April), at least 60 missiles counted on same day.

    However the most important thing that has changed is the Glorious Leader is stating he is ready to go to War. He is able to launch a surprise attack at any time and place and we (NZ) technically will be immediately involved as we only signed an armistice and we have not legally declared we are no longer at war with North Korea.

    Picture a decrepit Fiji-Flagged vessel sailing into New York’s commercial port and anchoring. Followed almost immediately by the explosion of a dirty nuclear weapon inside the vessel. Incredible? Well, the North Koreans are under investigation for misuse of Fijian Flagged vessels registered by a dubious Singapore located registry!

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