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18 April 2015

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24 Comments

  1. Missy

     /  April 18, 2017

    Well all, I survived a weekend in the jihadi capital of the UK (Birmingham for those uninitiated), but have to say I barely survived my encounter with the Liverpool Football Team!! Walking around the canals on Sunday morning and I turned a corner and walked straight into the team! Though to be fair I think half the ABs would have done more damage to me than the whole of the Liverpool Football team – they are a scrawny bunch in comparisons to our boys! 😀

    • Nelly Smickers

       /  April 18, 2017

      Hiyaa Missy XD

      Sounds like those that know *Birmingham* could well relate to this then….

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 18, 2017

        This reads oddly coming from someone who expressed shock at the deaths of Muslims yesterday.

        • Nelly Smickers

           /  April 18, 2017

          Yes, I thort the odd person might find it strange.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 18, 2017

            Why do you express horror at this event one day and express these bigoted remarks about the same people the next ? I take it that your sorrow at the deaths of people fleeing extremism didn’t affect your bigotry and intolerance of ones like them seeking refuge elsewhere-especially here. The above post seems to confirm that this hasn’t changed Crocodile tears ?

            If they hadn’t been killed and the NZ government had announced that they were coming to NZ, what would you have said ? Or if you heard that the survivors were ?

            What did you say when you saw on the news that the Muslim translators who’d risked their lives for NZ in the fight against terrorism were coming to live here ? I know what my reaction was-it was the least we could do to repay the debt.

    • Blazer

       /  April 18, 2017

      not sure what to make of that…confession…what kinda of a gal…are ..you?

  2. A tragic reminder of the incidence of FGM.

    Prevalence

    Countries where FGM is concentrated according to UNICEF’s 2013 report.[3]
    The term “prevalence” is used to describe the proportion of women and girls now living in a country who have undergone FGM at some stage in their lives. This is distinct from the “incidence” of FGM which describes the proportion of women and girls who have undergone the procedure within a particular time period, which could be contemporary or historical. FGM is practiced in Africa, the Middle East,[6] Indonesia and Malaysia,[8][9] as well as some migrants in Europe, United States and Australia.[3][5] It is also seen in some populations of South Asia.[14][15][16] The highest known prevalence rates are in 30 African countries, in a band that stretches from Senegal in West Africa to Ethiopia on the east coast, as well as from Egypt in the north to Tanzania in the south.[5][17]

    According to a 2013 UNICEF report based on surveys completed by select countries, FGM is known to be prevalent in 27 African countries, Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan, where 125 million women and girls have undergone FGM.[18] The UNICEF report notes FGM is found in countries beyond the 29 countries it covered, and the total worldwide number is unknown.[19] Other reports claim the prevalence of FGM in countries not discussed by the 2013 UNICEF report.[20][21] The practice occurs in Jordan,[22] Iraq,[23][24] Syria,[25] Oman,[26] United Arab Emirates[27] and Qatar.[28] Earlier reports claimed the prevalence of FGM in Israel among the Negev Bedouin, which by 2009 has virtually disappeared.[29]

    As a result of immigration, FGM has also spread to Europe, Australia, and the United States, with some families having their daughters undergo the procedure while on vacation overseas. As Western governments become more aware of FGM, legislation has come into effect in many countries to make the practice a criminal offense. In 2006, Khalid Adem became the first man in the United States to be prosecuted for mutilating his daughter.[30]

    • Egypt at 91% surprised me.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 18, 2017

        What about circumcision ? Isn’t that mutilation ?

        • Kitty, respectfully start your own post on male circumcision. Do you have an opinion on fgm? It’s not circumcision btw. It’s often a very much broader procedure than a clitorectomy.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 18, 2017

            I can’t see that either one is NOTgenital
            mutilation-or why one form is all right and another not because it happens to females and not males.

        • Nelly Smickers

           /  April 18, 2017

          My mum used to say that when Wayne was circumcised they threw away the wrong bit :/

        • Missy

           /  April 18, 2017

          Conflating the two is disingenuous Kitty, this article from a couple of years ago talks about the differences:

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/10998633/Dont-compare-male-circumcision-with-FGM.html

          A few points from it:

          “FGM, which involves the partial or complete removal of the genitalia, is a crime because it is abhorrent by any measure. It subjugates women, makes intercourse extremely difficult and painful, and can be the cause of a number of serious medical complications, including not only haemorrhage but also urinary retention, urinary infection, wound infection, and septicaemia.”

          ….

          “Normal practice, where there is a question about the religious and/or physical well-being of an infant, is to defer to their parents, who we tend to assume have the best interests of their child at heart. Parents don’t always get it right – hence the campaigns against FGM – but any equivalent campaign against male circumcision would have to be accompanied by an overwhelming body of objective scientific evidence that demonstrated significant harm to the child. As far as circumcision goes, there is no such evidence. Some scientists even claim that it is medically beneficial.”

          There are a lot of arguments around the FGM vs Circumcision debate, and regardless of whether you agree or not with Male Circumcision it seems most appear to agree that FGM is far more serious than Male Circumcision.

          Here is an article from the Huffington Post by someone who is against Male Circumcision, but argues how it is not the same as FGM:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/leyla-hussein/female-genital-mutilation-and-male-circumcision_b_5735060.html

          The writer addresses the purpose of FGM vs Circumcision, which plays a big part. FGM is about control, Male Circumcision is not.

          “The purpose of FGM is to control a woman’s sexuality. Full stop. FGM is done to prevent a woman from enjoying sex in order to keep her “pure.” Male circumcision is done for completely different reasons, including religious, aesthetic, or hygienic reasons.”

          “In other words, a circumcised male can still enjoy sex, and the practice is not done to decrease a man’s sexual pleasure. FGM is far more damaging to a woman’s sexuality than MGM is to a man’s.”
          …..

          Here the writer looks at a key difference in the actual surgery of FGM:

          “Another key difference is the act of circumcision itself. There are various types of FGM, Type 1 being the partial or total removal of the clitoris. Type 2 is the partial or total removal of the clitoris and labia minora. The most severe type of FGM, Type 3, is the narrowing of the vaginal opening by cutting and sewing over the outer labia. This leaves women with a very small opening in which to pass urine, menstrual fluid, have intercourse, and give birth. Each of these practices are extremely painful and distressing, and often cause medical problems throughout a woman’s life.”

          “Male circumcision involves the removal of the foreskin, which (when not used to treat a small number of medical conditions) is also wrong and violating in my view, but not as extreme. The male equivalent of typical FGM procedure would be cutting off the end of the penis (glans). There is just no comparing the two practices.”

          Also note that Male Circumcision is usually carried out by trained doctors / surgeons, whilst FGM is more often than not carried out by untrained people in unsanitary surroundings.

          Conflating Circumcision with FGM is diversionary and incorrect. There are arguments for and against Circumcision, however, to compare it to FGM does nothing to help the young girls who will suffer for the rest of their lives with this controlling and barbaric practice.

          • Blazer

             /  April 18, 2017

            omg…this is …sickening…is this a religious practice?

          • Thanks for that Missy. I couldn’t be bothered arguing but you have( as per usual), done an excellent job. 🌞🌞

  3. C orky

     /  April 18, 2017

    I have read a few stories about this doctor. No mention of ‘ Muslim’ in the articles I have read.

    http://wspa.com/2017/04/15/u-s-doctor-charged-with-performing-female-genital-mutilation/

  4. Once again. Feel free to start your own post. It’s clear you don’t have one on female genital mutilation