Mental health & criminal justice

Mental health has become a prominent issue. The Nation this week:

When you break a bone you go to hospital… so why do so many people with mental illness end up in prison instead of getting the treatment they need?

In association with the Mental Health Foundation, this week on the show we’ll feature the first part of Mike Wesley-Smith’s investigation into how the criminal justice system responds to people with mental health conditions.

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  1. Gezza

     /  April 22, 2017

    Whoever designed that +HR=E logo for tv3 is just evil, as are the board of directors who must have approved it.

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  April 22, 2017

      Now bro that’s the kind of English language I do not understand … is it just a play on 3 letters or does this have a deeper meaningful? why are they evil ??.
      Who watches TV3 any way …. there is a life to be had.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 22, 2017

        I am in the habit of watching their news, which isn’t brilliant, but I don’t know if One is any better. But apart from that, the television is very seldom on. I did watch Walks With My Dog-very English, but can’t imagine watching American television programmes or wanting to.The promos are bad enough.

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      • Gezza

         /  April 22, 2017

        Kia ora sis
        The new TV3 logo does have a tikanga, but … as someone noted in an article that I read, it’s basically just $H1+ ❗️😀
        ……..

        Backlash begins over TV3’s ‘playful and inspiring’ rebranding to ‘+HR=E’
        9:00 AM Thursday Feb 9, 2017

        TV3 launched a new name, new look and new image last night, calling their rebranding “vibrant, playful and exciting”.

        Unfortunately, viewers haven’t seen it the same way, with a flood of negative responses. One called it “genuinely terrible”. Viewers quickly took the network to task for its “desperate” attempt to rebrand itself.

        “All fur coat and no knickers. Rebranding won’t change the crap shows on offer. Same old, same old – no matter how you tart it up,” wrote one viewer on Facebook.

        “Dear TV3 people, stop embarrassing yourselves. Like for real,” said another. A third simply said: “Idiots”.

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11797310

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        • Blazer

           /  April 22, 2017

          ‘all fur coat and no knickers’…..nice.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 22, 2017

            An old North of England expression-used on Coronation St in the old days.Sometimes expanded to ‘rabbit fur up to ‘er eyes and no knickers’.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  April 22, 2017

      I have just seen the meaningless Three logo, with some smug person standing behind it-I missed the start of the news and saw it on 3 + 1 (very useful service) Someone was paid very good money for that, I expect. Nice work if you can get it.

      It’s on the level of the more absurd vanity plates, the kind that make one wonder why someone would waste so much money on something like that. I can’t understand why anyone would spend hundreds on a vanity plate, anyway.

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  2. Trumpenreich

     /  April 22, 2017

    That is a stupid analogy of a broken arm. A schizo is always going to be a schizo and as soon as they decide they don’t want to take their pills – watch out!

    What counts as mental illness anyway? I have come across LOTS of border liners, but because they aren’t insane enough to get the attention of the police, they get to wreck havoc on everyone around them with their bat shit crazy drama. They should be locked up and kept heavily medicated

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    • The old system of locking up and medicating, and shock therapy, and lobotomies, and rampant abuse, was terrible.

      Things have swung to far to insufficient care. resources and facilities. The balance needs to be improved substantially.

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      • Trumpenreich

         /  April 22, 2017

        “shock therapy, and lobotomies”

        Old news, no body is doing that anymore.

        “insufficient care”

        The point is crazy people are always going to be HIGH maintenance, and they are always going to do crazy things. They basically have to be baby sat 24/7 for the rest of their lives – INCREDIBLY expensive.

        And why is the state ie tax payer responsible for EVERYTHING EVERY TIME.

        Where is their family? “OOhh its too difficult for us, we can’t handle the stress’. So they want to dump the problem on the tax payer, and then constantly complain the tax payer isn’t doing a good enough job.

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        • Nelly Smickers

           /  April 22, 2017

          Agree with you 110% Trumpenreich! Having spent a number of months as part of my early training in what was the old *Ward 10* (now TWT)….I can assure you we all knew exactly what was required to keep everything under control. Sadly, these days. it’s taken a turn for the worse.

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  April 22, 2017

      “What counts as mental illness anyway?”
      Any body who’s mentals are ill … do I have to spell it out Trumpenreich …
      Your rapped up with a cherry on top speel, is often heard from the un-caring un-knowing and just plain un-interested. In fact people much like yourself say ‘OOOHHHH it’s to much money spent on Them, OOohh the stress of We have to pay our fair share.”
      Just get a grip and realise No Matter what the circumstances of poor or unstable mental health are, a little understanding goes a long way to a healthier life for the depressed and bi-polar and the rest of the whole basket of mental un-wellness.
      That means acknowledgement that they First have a disorder from a doctor, banging them into prison which creates paranoia violence sexual abuse and black mail, is the most un-safe place for a fragile mind to be.
      Mental un-wellness un-diagnosed brings frustration and anger on both side of the counter.
      Prisons are now becoming a dumping ground for the un-fit un-loved un-educated and un-inspired criminal young people, who will fast become Grandparents and then there is a new problem to solve.
      It just does not seem logical that a man who lost his mother at 4 and was passed around to every abuser living in that district, abused in heinous ways to much for me to bear sometimes, celled up with a man that turned his abuse into a survival attitude, the kind of guy that has his way in prison or watch out.
      How can this be healing for the young man?
      what un-caring society put him in the cell, with this Angry man.
      What is the matter with society ??
      How can people just carry on eating their sandwiches and drinking their Latte,
      all the while moaning about the price, when humans are suffering.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 22, 2017

        I think that you are very much over-simplifying these issues as well as generalising and setting up straw men.

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        • Pickled Possum

           /  April 22, 2017

          Have you ever worked with prisoners?
          Have you ever worked with and cared for people with mental health issues?
          If you haven’t … then maybe you are the one trying to over-simplify these issues, through ignorance

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        • Gezza

           /  April 22, 2017

          I don’t think Possum is over-simplifying at all, Kitty. There have been plenty of reports confirming that mental mental illness is particularly prevalent smong the prison population. Our prisons became a dumping ground for people whose anti-social behaviour is the result of mental unwellness. From several of her postings here over the last few months it is obvious that Possum has spent a considerable period of personal & professional time helping young people who have gone off the rails or who are suffering mental health problems, as well as dealing with the impacts of suicides etc.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 22, 2017

            It’s still a generalisation. Eating sandwiches and drinking latte ?

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            • Gezza

               /  April 22, 2017

              You’re being too literal. She’s being lateral.

  3. Trumpenreich

     /  April 22, 2017

    The brocken arm analogy is wrong. A chronic condition like HIV would be a better one, where the treatment is for life, VERY expensive, and there is a threat to the general public.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  April 22, 2017

      There is no threat to the general public from an HIV person. I have a dear friend who’s been HIV for 26 years, and have never been afraid of him passing it on. If I had untold bouts of unprotected sex with him-unlikely, he’s gay-or did other things that nobody ever WOULD do, I might be. As it is, I am not.

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      • Blazer

         /  April 22, 2017

        pleased to hear that you did not have unprotected…sex…with him.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  April 22, 2017

          Well, I’m not a gay man and he has never had sex with a woman. We have been great friends since our university days.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 22, 2017

            From what I gather, it’s not as easily caught as people imagine. And it certainly can NOT be caught from normal, casual, social contact. Don’t worry about the chance that an HIV person has just used the loo that you are about to use, Trump. The only chance of catching ANYTHING that way would be if you sat down the second that they stood up, no time to pull up their knickers, and you’d have to be standing there with yours down.

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            • Blazer

               /  April 22, 2017

              thanks…Dr Ruth….

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  April 23, 2017

              Dr Ruth ??? One doesn’t need to be a doctor to know that HIV can’t be transferred by normal social contact, and I was appalled to see that someone still, in 2017, thought that an HIV person was a danger to the general public. They are not like typhoid carriers.

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 22, 2017

    I don’t have a problem with locking people up in prison for criminal acts but there has to be proper psychiatric treatment there for those who need it and need to be contained. There also needs to be good systems ensuring imprisonment doesn’t last longer than justifiable.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  April 22, 2017

      I was thumped in the street by someone who was obviously ‘not all there’, and who stood grinning and chuckling when I turned to see who had done it-it was a very hard blow and it HURT. Perhaps I should have called the police, but I didn’t, I couldn’t be bothered. What does one do with someone like that ? He was obviously either loony or low IQ or both. I did nothing because I didn’t want to spend time making a complaint and seeing it through, and it’s likely that others do the same for that reason.

      He must have enough sense to do it when nobody else is near enough to notice. I don’t think that he’d have the brains to use a weapon, or maybe he had enough to know not to.

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      • Nelly Smickers

         /  April 22, 2017

        TBH Catkin….I *can’t believe* you did nothing about it! If it was me, I’d have taken the bastards eyes out.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  April 22, 2017

          Yes, that would have been helpful-I don’t think. Then I’d have been done for GBH.

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  April 22, 2017

        Really Miss, Do You Ever read what you write??
        What does one do????
        Call the men in blue
        they are there
        for people
        just like you.
        Because the next time he does it, the person; woman or man may fight back and then we may have straw all over the place.
        Mental Health and Criminal Justice is a neat little package to get rid of the ‘ones who cause trouble’ Next thing you know there will be special camps just for these people. Camps with a fence and a No Go sign at the gate. Bit like a prison.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  April 22, 2017

          Yes, and spend time waiting for them-by which time Mr Nutter could well be long gone-go to the cop shop and lay a charge-go to court if Mr N can be caught-more time wasted. Forget it. I have better things to do with my time. It’s unlikely that anyone would ‘fight back’ . It was a single thump and Mr Nutter did nothing else or even seem to be about to-and was so obviously not right in the head that he probably would have no idea why he was in court. I suppose that a stern warning might have been effective, Too late now, anyway.

          A friend was hit on the back by a drunk and didn’t do anything-he said that he wasn’t really hurt and had more interesting ways to spend his time than hanging around a court all day when the assailant wouldn’t remember doing it. But someone who was beaten up outside a pub for no reason except that he was there and someone felt like a stoush..

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