Shaw embarrassed by Trump-Hitler comparison

James Shaw accepts “it wasn’t really an appropriate comparison” when he likened Donald Trump to Hitler. It was a dumb thing to say.

NZ Herald reported on it here (with some irrelevant reactions from Andrew Little and Bill English):

Shaw said Trump was “the most dangerous person since Adolf Hitler” on TV show Back Benches on Wednesday night as part of a panel of politicians.

Shaw said he accepted it was not an appropriate comparison.

“I said that in the context of a pub politics show and I was being hyperbolic, and it wasn’t really an appropriate comparison.

“However, I do think Trump has the capacity to plunge the world into chaos. The US does have safeguards, which he is testing at the moment.”

It’s understandable that some people are concerned what may happen in the world with Trump president of the United States, but there is no comparison to Hitler in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s – nothing is likely to come close to that again.

But it was way over the top and a silly thing to say no matter what the situation. This is quite embarassing for Shaw.

41 Comments

  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  May 18, 2017

    People didn’t think that Hitler would go as far as he did, either, and, like Trump, he was seen as a joke ( silly moustache, funny salute) for a time. The world has had too many dictators, and I think that if Trump isn’t checked, he could be the latest one. He has the ego and the hatred of any sort of criticism-but, unlike Hitler, Stalin et al, the eye of the world is upon him and one must hope that he is not allowed to become absolute as they did.

    • Corky

       /  May 18, 2017

      Well ,look at these Muslim pricks acting up in Washington and tell me about Trump again.
      Tell me what would happen if Trumps bodyguards did similar in Turkey?

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4513490/Turkish-president-s-bodyguards-attack-protesters-DC.html

      • That’s the Turkey that Trump’s national security adviser may have done a favour for in return for money?

        • Corky

           /  May 18, 2017

          That’s a straw man argument. We are talking of foreign bodyguards assaulting private citizens on their sovereign soil without cause, if the reports are to be believed.

          • I agree that that looks very bad. Has trump condemned it?

            • Corky

               /  May 18, 2017

              Not as far as I know, although a report said an investigation was underway. It will go nowhere because of political considerations. Again, the West is being shown clearly we need curtail Muslims and Muslim countries influences in the West…of course that would have started already but liberals objected.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 18, 2017

        They have committed violence on protestors in the US-I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they did it elsewhere. The US police are not averse to a bit of GBH, either, inc. shooting unarmed men dead…the protestors seemed to be violent, kicking and shoving, and none of them were really hurt.

        James Shaw (whom I dislike as a rule) said that Trump was the most dangerous man since Hitler, not that he was like Hitler-a very different thing. I am in agreement with him-for the first and probably last time.

        • Corky

           /  May 18, 2017

          ”The US police are not averse to a bit of GBH, either, inc. shooting unarmed men dead…the protestors seemed to be violent, kicking and shoving, and none of them were really hurt. ”

          Another straw man argument. One difference for starters… the Turkish bodyguards could have obtained DI if needed. American police can’t.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  May 19, 2017

            No, one would hardly expect them to be able to, but they can claim self-defense for shooting a man in the back when he is unarmed and running in panic.

            I don’t know if diplomatic immunity applies across the board-the man who was charged with the sex crime was arrested and brought back. Bodyguards may well not be immune. Do we know that they were Turks and not Americans borrowed for the visit ?

            • Corky

               /  May 19, 2017

              You are either thick, obfuscating or taking the piss.

    • David

       /  May 18, 2017

      “People didn’t think that Hitler would go as far as he did, either, and, like Trump, he was seen as a joke ( silly moustache, funny salute) for a time.”

      He was satired, but he was never considered a joke. To believe that is to completely misread history.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 19, 2017

      That is a complete myth Kitty – Hitler was a violent thug from day one and used violence to rise in the party before using it to rise to power.

      Adolf Hitler rose to a place of prominence in the early years of the party. Being one of the best speakers of the party, he told the other party members to either make him leader of the party or he would never return. He was aided in part by his willingness to use violence in advancing his political objectives and to recruit party members who were willing to do the same. The Beer Hall Putsch in November 1923 and the later release of his book Mein Kampf (Translation: My Struggle) introduced Hitler to a wider audience. In the mid-1920s, the party engaged in electoral battles in which Hitler participated as a speaker and organizer,[b] as well as in street battles and violence between the Rotfrontkämpferbund and the Nazis’ Sturmabteilung (SA). Through the late 1920s and early 1930s, the Nazis gathered enough electoral support to become the largest political party in the Reichstag, and Hitler’s blend of political acuity, deceptiveness and cunning converted the party’s non-majority but plurality status into effective governing power in the ailing Weimar Republic of 1933.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 19, 2017

        Thank you, but I know about Hitler and the Nazis & have a shelf of books on the subject. The Germans went into it knowing what they were getting-he told them what they wanted to hear. The idea that he somehow forced the Germans into committing the Holocaust doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Germany could be said to have created him, not him the Germany of the Nazis.

        I couldn’t believe that one woman who worked in the Holocaust and before it in the ‘euthanasia’ campaign saw nothing wrong with her actions because they were legal. She had never stolen anything because that was against the law, and she had always been taught that one must not break the law, but assisting in mass murder was lawful so not wrong !!!

        I was referring mainly to people outside Germany who couldn’t or wouldn’t believe what was going on there. And some people within Germany couldn’t believe that such things would happen there-some Jews didn’t leave because it seemed impossible that the Holocaust would happen to them in their own country. This is not a myth, they thought that if they kept their heads down they would be all right as Germany was a civilised country (hollow laugh)

        Hitler was treated as a joke by some.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  May 19, 2017

          Sorry Kitty – you seemed to be giving credence to Shaw’s statements, which even he has backtracked from very quickly.
          There is massive gulf in the rise of Hitler and the rise of Trump. To put together any kind of equivalence between the two is to grossly twist historical facts.
          I am surprised you would do so, knowing history as you do.

        • Those comparing Trump to Hitler exhibit gross ignorance and appalling historic illiteracy. It is vacuous, childish and irritating to draw this analogy. I couldn’t care less what Shaw, or even Kitty say about Trump, but to compare the unique horror and history of the Holocaust to anything that has transpired under his fledgling 6 month presidency is more than just diluting the horror of Hitler and his murderous Nazi regime, it is tantamount to what is effectively Holocaust denial. That offends me deeply.

          The odious tactics of idiotic political operatives like Shaw doesn’t surprise me, but the ignorance by those who claim to be educated and who should know better – does.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  May 20, 2017

            I don’t think that Shaw-to do him justice-said that Trump was LIKE Hitler, only that he was the most dangerous man SINCE Hitler, which could well be true.

            • PDB

               /  May 20, 2017

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 20, 2017

              That is irrelevant in this case, as the remark was not made in any such context.

  2. Corky

     /  May 18, 2017

    No need to apologise James…you are a Greenie. It’s the people who vote for you that need to make amends.

    • Blazer

       /  May 18, 2017

      havec a bun..and calm down..Corky..

      • Corky

         /  May 18, 2017

        Blazer,I wondered when would turn up. You had all day to ring me but waited until I am supposedly wound up lol. Great deflection. I’m not, but I’ll play along….although I do get wound up over the Dudley case. Hand up for that.

  3. Zedd

     /  May 18, 2017

    Shaw just said what many are thinking.. the rest of us, often get the ‘godwin’ thing hung over us, for doing so 😦 😀

    • Trumpenreich

       /  May 18, 2017

      “Shaw just said what many are thinking..”

      It’s called Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    • Corky

       /  May 18, 2017

      I remember you mentioning Godwin’s Law when I used an analogy using The Night Of The Long Knives as an example in my post. Of course only people who have nothing better to do know of said law and like to mention it.

  4. Trumpenreich

     /  May 18, 2017

    ” This is quite embarassing for Shaw.”

    He is hardly the only one making crazy accusations, the Globalist hive mind has lost its mind in the wake of its catastrophic election defeat at the hands of Turmp.

    • The catastrophe for the US looks to be developing post-election. Trump was never likely to reform the world, life is not a TV ‘reality’ show. He’s obsessed with ratings rather than reform.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  May 19, 2017

        From your tainted view you probably only see scandal.

        And yet the reform program is going ahead – I think you may be surprised at how much he has done since taking office:

        Election fraud: Trump created a commission to examine vulnerabilities in U.S. political systems and assess voter registration procedures.

        Cybersecurity: Trump signed an order to hold federal agency heads accountable for the cybersecurity of their networks and calls on government and IT leaders to step up defenses against automated attacks online.

        May 4

        Religious politics: Trump issued an order to ease federal restrictions against political activity by tax-exempt religious organizations.

        May 1

        Technology council: Trump ordered the creation of the American Technology Council to upgrade the U.S. government’s use of digital services.

        April 28

        Offshore drilling: The president issued an order to review federal regulations and guidelines on offshore drilling in the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic.

        April 27

        Whistleblowers: Trump signed an order to protect whistleblowers in the U.S. Veterans Administration, as part of his pledge to care for American service veterans.

        April 26

        Education: Trump signed an order directing Secretary Betsy DeVos to determine if there is too much federal oversight in U.S. education.

        Federal lands: The president took executive action to review the Antiquities Act of 1906, which will ultimately evaluate national monument designations made by former Presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton.

        April 25

        Agriculture: Trump signed an order to review potential impediments to growth in the domestic agriculture industry. He took the action after a roundtable meeting with a number of U.S. farmers, industry officials and Ag Secretary George “Sonny” Perdue.

        April 21

        Deregulation: Trump signed an executive order and two memoranda. The order directs the Treasury to review tax regulations initiated last year to determine if they overreach and are cost-effective. The memoranda called for reviews of Dodd-Frank, the 2010 law against fiscal abuses that led to the financial crisis, and the Financial Stability Oversight Council’s procedure in designating banks “too big to fail.”

        April 18

        Labor: Trump signed the “Buy American, Hire American” executive order — an action aimed at enforcing domestic worker rules and ending “abuses” of the U.S. H-1B work visa program. It also directs federal agencies to review trade rules that might undermine the domestic labor market.

        March 31

        Trade: The president signed two executive actions — one ordering a review of the U.S. trade deficit and one to strengthen anti-dumping rules and enforcement. The deficit review will examine forms of “trade abuse,” taking a country-by-country look over 90 days. The anti-dumping order directs the Homeland Security Department to ensure enforcement.

        March 29

        Drug abuse: Trump signed an order establishing the President’s Commission Combating Drug Addiction and the Opioid Crisis to fight the epidemic of prescription drug overuse and overdose. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was assigned to the panel, which seeks to fight dependence on opioid narcotics.

        March 28

        Environment: President Trump signed an executive order to roll back a suite of planned environmental regulations in an effort to spur energy independence. The order will kick off a review of former President Barack Obama’s Clean Power Plan, lift a short-term ban on leasing federal land for coal production, lift limits on coal production and return energy production authority to the states.

        March 27

        Education: President Trump revoked two Obama-era regulations on teacher training and school accountability. In a White House ceremony Monday, Trump referred to the actions as “removing an additional layer of bureaucracy to encourage freedom in our schools.”

        Federal contractors: President Trump signed a resolution scrapping an Obama-era rule the administration said made it too easy for lawyers to target or blacklist U.S. companies and works who contract with the government. The Obama administration said the regulation even the playing field for lawful contractors.

        Public lands: President Trump signed a resolution rolling back an Obama-era rule that gave the Bureau of Land Management power to conserve public lands for future use. Critics said it reduced efficiency and gave states and local government little input on land use.

        March 6

        Travel ban: President Trump signed a revised version of an existing order to block entry by people from six majority-Muslim nations for 90 days and ban all refugees from Syria for 120 days. The new order specified that it won’t affect people who had already been issued travel visas.

        February 28

        Clean Water Act: President Trump signed an executive order calling for a review of an Obama-era rule expanding the number of bodies of water under environmental protection.

        Historically Black Colleges and Universities: President Trump signed an executive order moving the federal initiative on HBCUs directly to the White House instead of under the Department of Education in order to “promote excellence,” the White House said.

        Women in Science: President Trump signed two bills aiming to promote women in the STEM fields. The Protecting Women in Entrepreneurship Act calls on the National Science Foundation to “recruit and support women to expand their focus into the commercial world in its entrepreneurial programs. The Inspiring the Next Space Pioneers, Innovators, Researchers and Explorers Women Act requires NASA to encourage women and girls to study science, technology, engineering and mathematics.

        Gun Control: President Trump signed a bill nullifying an Obama-era rule aimed at blocking gun sales to people found to be mentally ill.

        February 24

        Regulatory Reform: President Trump signed an executive order to direct federal agencies to evaluate existing regulations. The action is part of Trump’s plan to eliminate what he views as overreaching, “job-killing” restrictions.

        February 16

        Stream Protection: President Trump signed House Joint Resolution 38, which scraps an Obama administration environmental rule to protect waterways from coal mining waste. Trump’s administration said the rule puts mining companies at a competitive disadvantage.

        February 14

        Anti-Corruption Repeal: President Trump signed House Joint Resolution 41, which wipes away a federal rule that requires energy companies to disclose royalties and government payments. The rule was imposed by the Obama administration last year as a transparency measure. Trump’s government said it puts U.S. energy companies at a disadvantage.

        February 9

        Police Protection: Trump signed an order to review existing laws and produce legislation to better protect federal, state and local law enforcement officers. The action is a response to increased attacks against officers in the past year.

        Crime Reduction: The president ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to create a new federal task force to share information among agencies, develop strategies, identify deficiencies in current laws, evaluate criminal data and make recommendations for greater safety of U.S. citizens.

        Foreign Crime Fighting: Trump issued an executive order prioritizing efforts to prosecute foreign-based crimes like drug and human trafficking. It calls for stricter enforcement of laws already on the books and efforts to “identify, interdict, disrupt, and dismantle transnational criminal organizations.”

        February 3

        Wall Street Regulation: Trump signed an executive order to ease U.S. fiscal regulations in the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010 — which was a response to the financial crisis and Great Recession that Trump’s administration called “overreaching.”

        Money Manager Rule: The president ordered the Labor Department to review a rule from former President Barack Obama requiring financial managers to act in their clients’ best interests when handling retirement accounts. The department will determine whether such a mandate is necessary.

        January 31

        Supreme Court: Trump nominated federal appellate Judge Neil McGill Gorsuch to replace Associate Justice Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court. Some Democrats promised to filibuster the confirmation process after Republicans refused to hold hearings on former President Barack Obama’s nomination of Merrick Garland after Scalia’s death.

        January 30

        Federal regulations: Trump signed an executive order requiring that for every new federal regulation on small and large businesses, two existing regulations must be removed. He signed the document after a meeting with small business leaders. Trump said he wants to end regulatory discrepancy between big and small business.

        CIA in the NSC: White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the CIA was added to Trump’s National Security Council — something that wasn’t done by former President Barack Obama due to the creation of the national intelligence director post in 2005.

        January 28

        National Security Council: Trump reorganized the council, adding his chief strategist, Steve Bannon. The council is a panel of officials, most of them Cabinet level, who work with the president to determine the best course of action on security issues.

        January 27

        Military strength: Trump signed an executive order to provide new resources and equipment to strengthen the U.S. military. The order promises to “rebuild” American armed forces and upgrade national and global security as part of a strategy that dictates “peace through strength.” The order directs Defense Secretary James Mattis to assess the country’s military and nuclear capabilities.

        Visa vetting: Trump signed an executive order that calls for more intensive security checks for foreign nationals seeking U.S. travel visas. The action stems from a controversial proposal Trump made during his campaign — to prevent certain refugees from nations of concern, like Iraq and Syria, from reaching U.S. shores until they can be cleared.

        January 25

        Border security: Trump signed an executive action directing federal agencies to prepare for “immediate construction” of a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border — a controversial project that was at the center of his presidential campaign.

        Immigration enforcement: The president signed an executive order to strip federal grant money from so-called “sanctuary cities” — U.S. municipalities that protect undocumented immigrants from federal prosecution. Trump’s order also seeks to hire 10,000 additional immigration officers, build more detention centers and prioritize immigrants for deportation.

        January 24

        Oil pipelines: Trump signed executive orders that would make it possible to complete the Dakota Access and restart the process for the construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada.

        January 23

        Abortion: Trump signed a presidential memorandum reviving a rule that prevents U.S. funds from going to certain health charities around the world that counsel on abortions. Known as the Mexico City policy, it was first instituted by former President Ronald Reagan in 1984 and has been on and off the books ever since.

        Trans-Pacific Partnership: Trump signed a presidential memorandum withdrawing the United States from the trade deal with Asia. The pact has been criticized by people skeptical of its benefits and worried over its potential to kill U.S. jobs. Proponents of the deal worry that pulling out could harm relations with key allies in the region.

        Federal workforce: Trump ordered a temporary hiring freeze for federal workers, except for the military and certain security positions.

        January 20

        Obamacare: Within hours of his inauguration, Trump took his first step toward repealing the Affordable Care Act, signing an executive order calling on government agencies to “ease the burden” of the policy.

        Trump’s order asked federal agencies to “prepare to afford the states more flexibility and control to create a more free and open healthcare market.”

        Homeowners insurance: The new president also suspended a scheduled insurance rate cut for new homeowners, which had been set by Barack Obama’s government. The cut would have reduced annual insurance premiums for new Federal Housing Administration loans by 25 basis points — from 0.85 to 0.60.

        Federal regulations: Trump also ordered a freeze on all new federal regulations that had not been finalized.

        • “From your tainted view you probably only see scandal.”

          That’s a tainted view.

          Imagine how much reforming Trump could do with Republican majorities in both the Senate and Congress if it wasn’t for all the largely self inflicted wounds.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  May 19, 2017

            You post that “Trump is only interested in ratings, not reform” and I post 46 executive orders he has signed in the first 4 – 5 months in office…

            And you don’t think your view is tainted?

            Agree or not with what he is doing (and there is a merry mix of good and bad in there), Trump is working very hard and is enacting his agenda pretty effectively while the media circus swirls around him.

            Major reforms are progressing at pace as well – tax reform, immigration and the Obamacare replacement being the main planks.

            I would humbly suggest that Trump will be very pleased with the progress in his reform program, and that you have been suckered in by the media firestorm.

            The “Paglia” under US independent investigation and Flynn issues says it all.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 19, 2017

              The Paglia post that should read…

        • Gezza

           /  May 19, 2017

          Quite a number of those orders look like bad ideas to me, including this one.
          “Gun Control: President Trump signed a bill nullifying an Obama-era rule aimed at blocking gun sales to people found to be mentally ill.”

          Those are the things the Democrats & the media should be focussing on.

          • Corky

             /  May 19, 2017

            The trouble with gun control, and I agree with what you say, is giving Liberals an inch and they will take one hundred miles. Better safe then sorry to protect the greatest right any country can give its citizens…the right to bear arms for protection.

          • Conspiratoor

             /  May 19, 2017

            G, Obama was a gun salesman”s wet dream. EverytIme he opened his gob on the subject sales surged. Don’t believe me, have a look at gun ownership over last 8 years. Cheers,c

            • Gezza

               /  May 19, 2017

              Wouldn’t surprise me. Probably most of them hated Obama, voted Trump, & bought more guns on principle.

          • Gezza

             /  May 19, 2017

            Democrats? Don’t think so.

            • Corky

               /  May 19, 2017

              Just what South Auckland needs. It would be great training for junior. He needs to hone his killing instinct.

    • duperez

       /  May 18, 2017

      Did Shaw make a crazy accusation? Or did he give voice to a perspective? If someone who thought Hitler had the potential to be a fiend, said in 1933 that Hitler was the most dangerous person since so-and-so, I wonder what the reaction would have been.