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20 May 2017

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  1. Corky

     /  May 20, 2017

    Er, Pete, why is the comment section closed on the budget thread?

    I was about to give you sentence of the day for this:

    ”The days of massive giveth and taketh pronouncements on budget night are so last century.”

    • Comments on new posts default to being on and i didn’t turn them off so that must have been a glitch in the system. I have turned them on now.

  2. Griff

     /  May 20, 2017

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/92792393/myrtle-rust-spread-has-potential-to-change-landscape

    Myrtle rust may be catastrophic for our native forests ability to regenerate.
    Tee tree the primary pioneer plant in New Zealands forest ecology.
    If we lose tee tree we lose the ability for native forest to regenerate from fire or ill considered attempts at farming marginal land. Instead introduced plants like woolly nightshade and pampas grass will colonize such niches stopping the natural progression to full canopy forests.
    We also lose the significant value added manuka honey industry .

    Another plant group that could be effected is the metrosideros rata and pohutukawa.
    Plants important for our native honey eaters like tui and bell bird. Without the flush of flowers metrosideros though spring these birds will have problems with breeding successfully .

    This infection may be the greatest set back for New Zealands native ecology’s in my life time.

    • I’d dearly love to see a graph of ecological-biological threats entering NZ over time …

      Gotta say it, I would anticipate there being some correlation between ‘globalisation’ + ‘the neoliberal economic paradigm’ – eg reduced government expenditure on border security – and the occurrence and ferocity of these threats …

      • High Flying Duck

         /  May 20, 2017

        The official line is the spores most likely came over in the cyclone winds we had recently, not through border controls so you’ll have to blame Global Warming rather than Glabalisation for this one PZ.

        • Griff

           /  May 20, 2017

          The infection has also been found on Raoul Island suggesting that it can be spread by the wind over large distances.
          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11857125
          Roal island is a long way from anywhere .

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  May 20, 2017

            Must be climate change, Griff!

          • High Flying Duck

             /  May 20, 2017

            Quite incredible how far things can spread on the wind isn’t it?
            We feel very remote in NZ but we’re not as removed as we’d sometimes like to think.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 20, 2017

              I forget when there was red dust in Sydney, or why, but some turned up in the Waikato-there was some at our house, very noticeable on the outside table. It looked like an odd colour of powdered blusher. When Tongariro or whichever one it was erupted, the volcanic ash came as far as here, too. Butterflies are blown many km to other countries.

            • Blazer

               /  May 20, 2017

              yes bull dust especially…has no..borders.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 20, 2017

              I didn’t know you were an internationalist Blaze?
              Although your particular bulldust borders on delusional mostly.

      • Corky

         /  May 20, 2017

        Personally, Parti, I believe some of these various outbreaks have been ecological terrorism.
        For example, our honey industry, especially Manuka Honey, takes off. Next minute we have
        Vorra Mites in New Zealand.

        • Righties are past masters at tenuous links Corky but that pretty much takes the cake … It transpires that Varroa’s arrival probably pre-dates the rapid recent growth of Manuka Honey …

          “Varroa mites were first discovered in Java about 1904, but are now present in all honey bee populations except Australia, Isle of Man and northern parts of Norway. They were discovered in the United States in 1987, in New Zealand in 2000, and in the United Kingdom in 1992 (Devon)” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varroa

          So Varroa mites are a Left-Wing eco-terrorist conspiracy to wipe out not only an industry, Manuka Honey, but virtually the whole pollination process of Nature … leading to catastrophic and possibly ‘extinction level’ famine and starvation?

          Lefties are obviously loonier than even you or Alan think they are!?

          Alternatively, Varroa in New Zealand is the result of lax border security due to globalisation’s much more ‘permeable’ national boundaries, exacerbated by government spending cuts associated with the austerity of neoliberal economics?

          • Corky

             /  May 20, 2017

            What the hell are you on about? I was to talking about honey. You are far more of a Liberal Fascist then I have given you credit for.

            • So who do you think would be responsible for Varroa Mite ecological terrorism, perpetrated upon our honey industry?

            • PDB

               /  May 20, 2017

              Yes PZ – we should have banned all travel/shipping between NZ and Europe for the past 100 years (or maybe the world), where they thought the mite came from…………really just come out and say that ‘It’s all John Key’s fault’ and be done with it.

            • Corky

               /  May 20, 2017

              Who do I think would be responsible? I don’t know. The Manuka factor was discovered in the early 80s.Studies gradually grew regarding its efficacy. I tasted my first dedicated MH from Comvita, if I remember correctly, in the mid 90’s. In 2000 the first Varroa Mite is discovered.
              Ditto Kiwi Fruit went a similar way.

              Thing is, contrary to popular belief, its not always easy for alien diseases to establish. Its similar to germ warfare which needs the right conditions to be effective.

              Maybe it’s the pharmaceutical industry? They are currently carrying out a Jihad against colloidal silver because it works. Funny that given antibiotic resistance. Maybe it’s overseas growers wanting to get rid of the New Zealand competition. That would be my guess.
              competition

  3. lurcher1948

     /  May 20, 2017

    Donald your mouth is your own worse enermy ,please try not to start a world war why overseas

    • Conspiratoor

       /  May 20, 2017

      “a world war why”. Yes indeed

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 20, 2017

        Why overseas ? It would be difficult to start one that wasn’t.

    • PDB

       /  May 20, 2017

      I think he meant a ‘world war Y’ as in gen Y vrs baby boomers.

  4. PDB

     /  May 20, 2017

    Today in music history……..Robin Gibb died of bowel cancer in 2012.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  May 20, 2017

    Sky NZ, official supporters of South African rugby OR anyone playing the HURRICANES