Trump with Netanyahu

Having delivered an address in Saudi Arabia promoting peace and condemning extremist Islamic terrorism in the Middle East, but attacking and ostracising Iran and driving a wedge Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims, US President Donald Trump is now meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Again the talks are of pro-peace and anti-Iran.

Netanyahu:

“We’re committed to the freedom of all faiths and to the rights of all. We protect the Christian sites as no one else does anywhere in this region.”

To Trump: “I want you how much we appreciate the change in American policy on Iran. I want you to know how much we appreciate your bold decision to act against the use of chemical weapons in Syria. We appreciate the reassertion of American leadership in the Middle East.”

“I believe that together we can roll back Iran’s march of aggression and terror in this region.”

Trump:

“Today we reaffirm the unbreakable bond of friendship between Israel and the United States.”

“We want Israel to have peace.”

“That includes advancing prosperity, defeating the evils of terrorism & facing…an Iranian regime that is threatening the region.”

“There are many, many things that can happen now that would never have been able to happen before.”

“These leaders voice concerns we all share about ISIS…and about the menace of extremism that have caused so much needless bloodshed and killing here and all over the world.”

On peace between Palestinians & Israelis: “I’ve heard it’s one of the toughest of all but I have a feeling we’re going to get there.”

“There’s a lot of love out there.”

‘But we hate Iran’?

Earlier:

Trump is on his first foreign trip since taking office. Over the weekend, he visited Saudi Arabia. Earlier today, he met with Israeli President Reuven Rivlin in Jerusalem for a bilateral meeting where they discussed Iran.

“There is a growing realization among your Arab neighbors that they have common cause with you in the threat posed by Iran,” Trump said during his joint remarks with Rivlin.

Trump is obviously siding with Israel, and has also sided with Saudi Arabia, an autocratic country with a poor record on human rights, and with links to terrorism, against Iran, a country that has just re-elected a moderate leader.

The world’s great peace broker?

Or peace after they have smashed the enemy?

42 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  May 23, 2017

    Twitter is full of people discussing what is going on here at Tel Aviv airport where Trump notices Bibi & Sara are holding hands, but when he reaches for Melania’s she flicks it away? 😳

    http://www.realclearlife.com/politics/melania-swats-away-president-trumps-hand-israel/

    • Corky

       /  May 23, 2017

      Hmmm, a spat beforehand. Or a lady completely pissed off with this political pomp bs, who would rather be having her nails done? She and Bronagh Key have a lot in common. Apart from Bronagh relieving more nasty shite from the Left then she deserved,

      • Corky

         /  May 23, 2017

        * receiving*

      • Gezza

         /  May 23, 2017

        I don’t know what it’s about Corks. (Looking forward to Kitty’s assessment later today though 😕 ) But it’s certainly a notable scene getting a lot of global attention, & it threw Trumpy. Just an amusing little tidbit for me at the moment – wonder if anybody in the administration or Melania will explain sometime. Hoping Sean will have something to say about it. I really like Sean. Will keep an eye on Twitter too. Must see if Melania’s got a Twitter account.

    • Pickled Possum

       /  May 23, 2017

      Yep! she’s pissed at him for some Unknown Reason.
      Universal flick of hand tells the herstory. 🙂

      • Gezza

         /  May 23, 2017

        Nothing worse than an unhappy woman in the house Possum, I tells ya.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  May 23, 2017

          Especially if the wife comes home while she’s there!

  2. Gezza

     /  May 23, 2017

    Netanyahu, in his speech, said he appreciated that Trump visited the Western Wall, & that Trump is the first acting President to do so ? 😕

    • Corky

       /  May 23, 2017

      In a private capacity. He is also the first Prez to fly directly from Saudi Arabia to Israel in a private capacity. The first Prez to do a sword dance with the natives. And the first Prez to be snubbed by the missus in front of an audience.

      I’ll tella what, Gez. If he keeps these firsts coming, and the Seth Rich case keeps building as apparently it is with Democrats running around like headless chooks… then maybe we can let the sculptors loose on Mt Rushmore to immortalise Trumpy.

  3. David

     /  May 23, 2017

    Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism all through the middle east and the election they had was a choice between candidates approved by the Ayotollah. It may be a bit nuanced for the I hate Trump people but Iran has been shown they will be isolated and out gunned if they carry on and on the flip side Trump has just extended the nuclear deal for another 120 days if they chose a different path.
    Trump is doing the same with the Sunni side in sheeting it home that they will get assistance from and an engaged US who wont interfere in how they run their countries but they really need to stop spreading through mosques around the world Islamic extremism.
    Think of the last time an historic breakthrough in a conflict happened and it was with Reagan at the helm, disruptors are good deal makers.

    • Gezza

       /  May 23, 2017

      As Islamic extremism goes, you can’t get much more extreme about Islam than the Saudis. Women except visiting diplomats are completely segregated from men in their society, still not allowed to drive cars, & pulicly practising any religion but Islam in Saudi Arabia is forbidden.

      “The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic theocratic monarchy in which Sunni Islam is the official state religion based on firm Sharia law and non-Muslims are not allowed to hold Saudi citizenship. Children born to Muslim fathers are by law deemed Muslim, and conversion from Islam to another religion is considered apostasy and punishable by death. Blasphemy against Sunni Islam is also punishable by death, but the more common penalty is a long prison sentence. There have been no confirmed reports of executions for either apostasy or blasphemy in recent years.

      A Saudi court sentenced a Palestinian man, Ashraf Fayadh to death for apostasy on November 17, 2015, for alleged blasphemous statements during a discussion group and in a book of his poetry.

      Religious freedom is virtually non-existent. The Government does not provide legal recognition or protection for freedom of religion, and it is severely restricted in practice. As a matter of policy, the Government guarantees and protects the right to private worship for all, including non-Muslims who gather in homes for religious practice; however, this right is not always respected in practice and is not defined in law.

      The Saudi Mutaween (or Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (i.e., the religious police) enforces the prohibition on the public practice of non-Muslim religions. Sharia applies to all people inside Saudi Arabia, regardless of religion.” – Wiki

      • David

         /  May 23, 2017

        I wasnt referring to the outrageous civil rights within Saudi which makes Iran look tolerant.

        • Gezza

           /  May 23, 2017

          I think he’s made two mistakes so far.

          The first is that he has demonised “Iran” not it’s hardline leadership. The people of Iran have been growing weary of the hardliners, the Theocracy, the waste of their resources on military adventures, & their isolation – they want to open up to the world, like Rouhani. This speech could unite them again in support for a government because he’s just confirmed America hates them & is their enemy, & unequivocally supports regimes who suppress the followers of their religion.

          Two, demonising Hamas, which has recently announced they will support a separate state of Palestine based on the 1967 borders. Even though they foolishly maintain they will never recognise the state of Israel, to not offer them the prospect of discussions torpedos any prospect of the legitimately elected government of Gaza being brought to its senses. A state of Palestine would erode support for their anti-Israel extremists. Mahmud Abbas has no legitimacy with a huge section of the Palestinian people.

          Bibi Netanyahu is stirring the pot with settlements. His & his wife’s over-the-top schmoozing speech & behaviour with the Trumps is barf stuff, trying to out-welcome the Saudis’. It’s also intended to stir the pot. Trump most likely won’t be able to pull any fair deal out of the hat with that sleazebag controlling the relationship, unless he can show him & the world that he doesn’t. That seems unlikely with Kishner & Ivanka & America’s Zionists & Christian zealots in his ear.

          All we can do is wait & see what happens but the signs are not good. The hawks & the military industrial complex will be happy though.

          • Gezza

             /  May 23, 2017

            * Kushner.

          • David

             /  May 23, 2017

            Trump told him his settlements were unhelpful which surprised many. If Trump shows that Iranian leadership behaviour is unacceptable its more likely to embolden reformists as opposed to Obama who appeased their awful behaviour .

          • Gezza

             /  May 23, 2017

            FFS David. Every President has told Netanyahu settlements are unhelpful. What did Netanyahu do? Went straight back home & accelerated the building & filling of them, and announced more new ones. Wake up & smell the coffee. Netanyah needs a slap, not a sloppy kiss.

          • artcroft

             /  May 23, 2017

            Gee only two mistakes in one day. He must have gotten up late.

            • Corky

               /  May 23, 2017

              You seem a little scratchy, Arty. I take it you haven’t leaded anyone over the last couple of days.

      • David

         /  May 23, 2017

        Trump driving a wedge between sunni and shia, sure because there has never been any conflict between these guys for a 1000 years. TDS

        • Gezza

           /  May 23, 2017

          I don’t have TDS – you have TBS. Trump has to show he grasps the root of the problems in the Middle East that created Hamas & Hezbollah. Hezbollah arose to defend Lebanon from Israeli invasion. Hamas arose in response to Israel stealing Palestinian land. I detest Allah & Islam, but the bullshit Yaweh is actually the root of all these problems. Palestinians have to accept Israel has created a state – but they have no legitimate claim to the rest of Palestine. They have only 300 years of it being theirs. A state of Israel & a state of Palestine, each guaranteed security by the world, is the just solution. The Shia can then have Iran. Left alone & secure & accepting Israel & Palestine, they’ll be happy. Their people are constantly under threat & are tired of it. Peace in the Middle East means the Muslims can go home – as far as I’m concerned they can then bloody stay there.

  4. Corky

     /  May 23, 2017

    National and middle-class treasure, Mikey Hosking, posed a great question. He asked what happens if Trump brokers a middle east peace deal? He then went on to muse about the total collapse of Obama’s legacy and the despair amongst Trump haters.

    Well, I don’t think those to camps have to worry yet…. apparently, according to MIkey, Israel is prepared to move on some reforms, but is waiting on Hamas…good luck with that.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/22/ultimate-peace-deal-goal-donald-trump-visits-israel

    • Gezza

       /  May 23, 2017

      As I posted last night, someone on AlJaz quoted Moshe Dayan: “If you want peace, you don’t talk to your friends – you talk to your enemies”.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  May 23, 2017

        The only hope for peace in the ME is to tackle and reduce religious extremism in Israel, Saudi Arabia and Iran. On the surface, that seems to be Trump’s goal.

        • Gezza

           /  May 23, 2017

          I think his immediate goal should be finding out what’s pissed Melania off.

          • MaureenW

             /  May 23, 2017

            Front page news Gezza – good to see the media focussing on the things that matter:(

            • Gezza

               /  May 23, 2017

              Well, it could be important. She could have said to him I don’t like your policy here.

    • artcroft

       /  May 23, 2017

      Israel is preparing to build hundreds more homes on Palestinian land and then demand Hamas apologises for it. Trump want Mexico to pay for his wall. Trump and Israel are a perfect match, both full of BS.

    • Gezza

       /  May 23, 2017

      (Poor old Trumpy had trouble with the word *ethnisicity* in his speech in Riyadh.)

    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 23, 2017

      It was an obvious slip of the tongue, but will be added as grist for the anti-Trump mill.

      • Gezza

         /  May 23, 2017

        I expect it’ll feature on SNL. 😀

        • High Flying Duck

           /  May 23, 2017

          They must be really pissed that DT keeps stealing their best gags before they can use them 😦

  5. Gezza

     /  May 23, 2017

    Live joint press address by Donald Trump & Mahmoud Abbas to start on Aljaz tv very soon.

    • Gezza

       /  May 23, 2017

      Both at the podium now.
      Mahmoud Abbas expressing condolences to UK PM & people for Manchester bombing.

      • Gezza

         /  May 23, 2017

        Trump calls Manchester bomber & other terrorists “losers”. Says that’s what he is always going to call them from now on.

        • Gezza

           /  May 23, 2017

          Meaningless cliches.

          • Gezza

             /  May 23, 2017

            All finished. Mahmooud made clear solution is palestinian state end occupation stop stealing land build dialogue not walls and fences, let mothers see their sons in prison, many are not even charged with any offences. Trump ignored it all. Said believed peace between israel & pakestinians would help bring peace throughout the whole region and it would be *amazing*.