Manchester bomber identified

The Manchester bomber has been identified, and ISIS have claimed responsibility.

The bomber has been named as a 22 year old British born Libyan Salman Abedi, who comes from South Manchester (thanks Missy).

The Telegraph: Salman Abedi named as the Manchester suicide bomber – what we know about him

The suicide bomber who killed 22 people and injured dozens more at the Manchester Arena has been named as 22-year-old Salman Abedi.

Born in Manchester in 1994, the second youngest of four children his parents were Libyan refugees who came to the UK to escape the Gaddafi regime.

His parents were both born in Libya but appear to have emigrated to London before moving to the Fallowfield area of south Manchester where they have lived for at least ten years.

Abedi grew up in the Whalley Range area, just yards from the local girl’s high school, which hit the headlines in 2015 when twins and grade A pupils, Zahra and Salma Halane, who were both aspiring medical students, left their homes and moved to Isil controlled Syria.

There were unconfirmed reports in Manchester that the whole family apart from the two elder sons recently returned to Libya.

PDB says:

If true it shows the difficulty one faces in stopping terrorism when the terrorists are home grown 2nd or third generation immigrants.

It shows that terrorism is not just a Middle East problem, nor just a recent immigration problem.

Abedi was named by Greater Manchester Chief Constable Ian Hopkins on Tuesday.

“As you would expect the police response to this across Greater Manchester has been significant as we support people to go about their daily business.

“Part of this response has seen us arrest a 23-year-old man in connection with the attack and we have also carried out two warrants, one in Whalley Range and one in Fallowfield that included a controlled explosion to enable safe entry.

“We understand that feelings are very raw right now and people are bound to be looking for answers. However, now, more than ever, it is vital that our diverse communities in Greater Manchester stand together and do not tolerate hate.”

I doubt that generating more hate has ever been a successful response to hateful crimes.

“I can confirm that the man suspected of carrying out last night’s atrocity has been named as 22-year-old Salman Abedi. However, he has not yet been formally identified and I wouldn’t wish, therefore, to comment further.

“The priority remains to establish whether he was acting alone or as part of a network.”

On Tuesday, it was reported that the Islamic State group had claimed responsibility for the attack.

Difficult times for Manchester and for Britain. Just like they couldn’t remove all people of Irish descent from England during the Troubles, they can’t wave a wand to erase everything Muslim from the country.

If led well the majority of people will rise together against terrorism and against hate, and stand against the divisive aims of the terrorists.

47 Comments

  1. David

     /  May 24, 2017

    This is an unwinnable war unless of course you turn into a police state and shut down all the mosques and heavily restrict the internet. Might as well face facts that immigration and Islamism over the decades has made these atrocities inevitable and any amount of lighting candles and cultural sensitivities will be met with ever increasing violence from a very wealthy and determined foe.

    • Trumpenreich

       /  May 24, 2017

      I keep getting robbed because I leave the front door open. I could close it but I feel doing that would be a victory for the thieves.

      • Why don’t you have all would be thieves, and relatives of would be thieves, and anyone of the same ethnicity or religion of any of the thieves, deported or exterminated?

        • artcroft

           /  May 24, 2017

          I believe the Mohammad has some writings on this topic that are relevant to your question.

          • I believe modern common sense and decency is more relevant.

            • artcroft

               /  May 24, 2017

              We both do, but so what?

            • David

               /  May 24, 2017

              “I believe modern common sense and decency is more relevant.”

              I’m sure it is, but Islam, and modern common sense and decency are not exactly bedfellows now are they?

          • Gezza

             /  May 24, 2017

            Where do we send the Zionists to?

            • Corky

               /  May 24, 2017

              What Zionists?

            • I think you’ll find they’ve either returned to the only democratic state in the Middle East or support the concept elsewhere

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              It’s an apartheid state busily engaged in still stealing Palestinian land to rebuild a tiny ancient empire whose land they had stolen & that only lasted 300 years. That’s not democracy. If the world wasn’t watching the Palestinians would be wiped out. Until they stop their own state terrorism & thievery, this problem isn’t going away.

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              Downtick me all you like. I’m not blind to the fact that the first bullshit Abrahamic religion is the cause of as much of this conflict as the third one and the absurd beliefs of the 2nd bullshit Abrahamic religion are just as much a part of stoking the fires too. All 3 religions are just a bloody curse in this part of the world.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 24, 2017

              And yet it is the Palestinians who have spurned every opportunity for peace and deny the right of Israel to exist.
              And the zionists aren’t blowing up anybody except in self defence.

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              Well, except that’s not true. The Palestinians have accepted opportunities for peace, twice, but Israel while ostensibly has simply continued to steal more of their land & deny them a palestinian state & deny the right of return of those driven out the whole time, & then cunningly accuse them of being the problem. I don’t get sucked in by the one-sided bullshit.

            • David

               /  May 24, 2017

              “. If the world wasn’t watching the Palestinians would be wiped out.”

              You mean like how the Jews have been eradicated from every Middle Eastern country outside of Israel?

              There used to be 120,000 Jews in Egypt, now there are 18.
              Morrocco, 300,000 Jews is now 2,000.
              150,000 Jews in Iraq is now, maybe, 10.

              All over the Middle East. Was the world watching?

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              * while ostensibly offering to consider peace …

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              How many Palestinian Arabs were driven out of their land and into exile in other countries & are not allowed to return, while Israel invites jews from all over the world to go & live in their land, David? Two sides to this conflict. You’re choosing to look at one.

            • David

               /  May 24, 2017

              ” If the world wasn’t watching the Palestinians would be wiped out.”

              Just to add;

              Palestinian population in 1970; 1,000,000
              Palestinian population in 2017; 5,000,000

              Funny kind of ‘wiped out’.

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              Yes, you can see why they need to steal as much more of their land & try to flood the place with as many more jews as quickly as they can. Jewish population of Israel & occupied West Jerusalem now about 6 million I think. Once you’re born there, you don’t give it back without a fight.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 24, 2017

              “I don’t get sucked in by the one-sided bullshit.”
              It appears that you do – just for a different side.

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              No I don’t I see both sides. There is a solution but neither the Zionists nor Hamas will agree to it. Until both are forced to the misery & the killings will continue. And Israel will continue to kill thousands more Palestinians than the other way round. Because the West & America let them.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 24, 2017

              1. Palestinian Response To Kerry Speech. Just after John Kerry ripped into Israel (in a SPEECH IN DEC 2016) in unprecedented fashion and declared that if Israel stopped all settlement building and moved to reverse settlements, as well as splitting Jerusalem, Palestinians would embrace peace, the Palestinians openly scoffed at him. Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki immediately stated that Kerry had not proposed anything new, and refused recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. So much for Kerry’s proposed peace deal.

              2. Palestinians Have Repeatedly Refused Kerry’s Deal. In 2000, far-left Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered over 90 percent of Judea and Samaria, all of the Gaza Strip, a land-link between the two, Palestinian control over the mosques on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, as well as cash for Palestinian refugees. Arafat ran away from the table. Even Thomas Friedman stated about Arafat, “He came with no compromise ideas of his own on Jerusalem. He simply absorbed Mr. Barak’s proposals and repeated Palestinian mantras about recovering all of East Jerusalem.” Just months later, Arafat launched an Intifada. In 2008, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered nearly 94 percent of Judea and Samaria, plus another six percent of Israeli territory, a link to the Gaza Strip, withdrawal from East Jerusalem’s Arab neighborhoods, and placement of the Old City under international control. Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas walked away from the table.

              3. The Palestinian Unity Government Is Rooted In Anti-Jewish Terror. The Palestinian government is committed to the destruction of Israel. It is a tripartite unity government under the control of the terrorist group Hamas, the terrorist group Fatah, and the terrorist group Islamic Jihad. Not one of these groups recognizes Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state. All teach, fund, and promote terrorism against Jews, as even Kerry acknowledged. The charters for each of these groups call for Israel’s full destruction.

              4. Polls Show Palestinians Are Not Interested In A Durable Peace. Kerry kept saying that Palestinians want peace. That’s not what the polls say. A poll from the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research as of September 2015 found that 51 percent of Palestinians rejected the two-state solution. A plurality, 42 percent, said that the best way of establishing a Palestinian state would be “armed action,” with just 29 percent saying negotiation. Polls also showed Hamas running evenly with the supposedly-moderate Palestinian Authority. Prior polls show that Palestinian willingness to accept a Jewish state would be only temporary anyway: a poll from 2010 showed that while about 60 percent of Palestinians supported a two-state solution at the time, they also thought that in the end, Israel would disappear. Just 23 percent said they believed in a right to exist for a Jewish homeland in Israel.

              5. Israeli Attempts To Uproot Settlements Have Been Met With Violence. Perhaps the best evidence that Palestinians are not interested in peace comes courtesy of actual history: in 2005, the Israeli government forced 8,000 Jews from their homes in the Gaza Strip and handed all control over to the Palestinian Authority. The Palestinians promptly burned down every resource left by the Jews, then turned around and elected the terrorist group Hamas, which proceeded to arm and then attack Israeli civilians, use funding to build terror tunnels designed for kidnapping and murder, and attempt to ship in more armaments from Iran and Turkey. Again, Hamas was elected. They now sit in the unity government with the Palestinian Authority and Islamic Jihad.

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              John Kerry’s speech was irrelevant as were most of his speeches. Everybody knew Netanyahu & crew were not interested in any proposals that would inhibit their expansion into Palestinian territory or allowing the return of Palestinians driven out from their land & not allowed citizenship in other arab countries. Israel has never stepped back from this position. My recollection is that the token removal of 5,000 jewish settlers was accompanied by the continued building of dozens more settlements elsewhere & generous offers to assist those few to settle in those. What source are you citing please?

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              * argh! … NOT allowing the return of Palestinians driven out of Palestine …

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 24, 2017

              How about this part then:

              In 2008, after extensive talks, then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and presented a comprehensive peace plan. Olmert’s plan would have annexed the major Israeli settlements to Israel and in return given equivalent Israeli territory to the Palestinians, and would have divided Jerusalem.

              Numerous settlements including Ofra, Elon Moreh, Beit El and Kiryat Arba would have been evacuated, and Hebron would have been abandoned. Tens of thousands of settlers would have been uprooted. Olmert even says preliminary agreement had been reached with Abbas on refugees and the Palestinian claim to a “right of return.”

              Olmert recounted much of this in an interview with Greg Sheridan in the Australian newspaper:

              From the end of 2006 until the end of 2008 I think I met with Abu Mazen more often than any Israeli leader has ever met any Arab leader. I met him more than 35 times. They were intense, serious negotiations.

              On the 16th of September, 2008, I presented him (Abbas) with a comprehensive plan. It was based on the following principles.

              One, there would be a territorial solution to the conflict on the basis of the 1967 borders with minor modifications on both sides. Israel will claim part of the West Bank where there have been demographic changes over the last 40 years…

              And four, there were security issues. [Olmert says he showed Abbas a map, which embodied all these plans. Abbas wanted to take the map away. Olmert agreed, so long as they both signed the map. It was, from Olmert’s point of view, a final offer, not a basis for future negotiation. But Abbas could not commit. Instead, he said he would come with experts the next day.]

              He (Abbas) promised me the next day his adviser would come. But the next day Saeb Erekat rang my adviser and said we forgot we are going to Amman today, let’s make it next week. I never saw him again. (Nov. 28, 2009)

              And this is not just a self-serving claim by Olmert – Abbas, in an interview with Jackson Diehl of the Washington Post, confirmed the outlines of the Olmert offer and that he turned it down:

              In our meeting Wednesday, Abbas acknowledged that Olmert had shown him a map proposing a Palestinian state on 97 percent of the West Bank — though he complained that the Israeli leader refused to give him a copy of the plan. He confirmed that Olmert “accepted the principle” of the “right of return” of Palestinian refugees — something no previous Israeli prime minister had done — and offered to resettle thousands in Israel. In all, Olmert’s peace offer was more generous to the Palestinians than either that of Bush or Bill Clinton; it’s almost impossible to imagine Obama, or any Israeli government, going further.

              Abbas turned it down. “The gaps were wide,” he said. (May 29, 2009)

              Ha’aretz published Olmert’s map, showing a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza with a free passage route to connect them. The map, which also showed the Israeli territory that would have been swapped with the Palestinians in return for annexing some Israeli settlements to Israel, is reproduced below:

              From a pro-Israel source, but it’s hard to find a neutral source on this topic…

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              H, I’ve bookmarked. I’d like to continue this discussion sometime, maybe later today, maybe tomorrow, but not here. This thread is about an ISIS-claimed Islamic terrorist attack on Innocent people & I’m actually feeling like it’s not really the appropriate place for this debate.

  2. Corky

     /  May 24, 2017

    Had to stop myself smashing up the room as I surfed talkback yesterday. Just how ignorant and dumb Westerners are regarding Islam was on display. I chanced upon Kerre Mcivor and some co-host dudes show . Here are some gems from these ignorant prats:

    1-What about the radical Buddhists in Myanmar? Every religion has its radicles, just like Islam.

    2- It used to be the Poms, the IrIsh, the Islanders and the Maoris .Now its Muslims, and in the future it will be someone else. (maybe, but…..)

    3- Just because a white male does something, doesn’t mean we blame all white males.
    (talk about a Freudian slip)

    4- Most Muslims are good people. ( no, most Muslims are law abiding and well mannered. But many have beliefs and attitudes that aren’t considered good by Western Standards)

    And on it went. The callers weren’t any better. Some were were asked to provide an answer
    to Islamic terrorism. None could. Here’s a couple of suggestions.

    1- Stop Islamic immigration, Duh!

    2- PM to address the country. In a nutshell- ‘ we cant go on like this. The Muslim community has 2 years to start some form of policing and reporting of suspicious community members.
    If this measure isn’t successful we will introduce Muslim ID cards and curfews that are Muslim specific. Muslims who find these measures unacceptable will be repatriated with a government scheme to be worked on. Those who cant be repatriated. Those who refuse to go, and who break curfew will be jailed in a new maximum security prison(s) to be built. Muslim women will be limited to two children, with forced contraception to be applied.

    • Gezza

       /  May 24, 2017

      Personally I think you should have smashed up the room.

      • Corky

         /  May 24, 2017

        I don’t know how to take your comments. Point me in the right direction.

        • Gezza

           /  May 24, 2017

          👇

          • Corky

             /  May 24, 2017

            War it is.

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              just a skirmish at this stage. I’m sure we can find a common enemy to unite against from time to time.

            • Corky

               /  May 24, 2017

              The war is off. I’m informed Stevie Joyce has a boomer of a budget. There’s jam for everyone. Andy is already writing his farewell speech.
              My mana has been restored.

            • Gezza

               /  May 24, 2017

              I’ve broken out my all blacks flag & am waving it about madly.

    • Pete Kane

       /  May 24, 2017

      Often have to avoid those sort of shows myself cork – too hard to explain to the insurers’.

      • Pete Kane

         /  May 24, 2017

        Sorry – Cork.

        • Corky

           /  May 24, 2017

          Hey, don’t mention it. You can practice writing your capitals with your share of the jam. Yummy!

  3. Two parts to this post. First off. The Guantanamo released Ronald Fiddler, aka Jamal al-Harith -terrorist, was from a particular area in Manchester. So were another 15 Jihadis. This report from The Guardian 3 months ago.

    “A Guardian investigation has found that 16 convicted or dead terrorists have lived within 2.5 miles of al-Harith’s home address. It is understood that they were part of a radical network and some of them prayed at the same mosque.

    The link below shows the extraordinary radicalisation within this commmunity. The Halane twins girls were from here too. You may remember they fled to be Jihadi brides in 2015.


    Fiddler/al-Harith

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/25/small-part-of-manchester-that-has-been-home-to-16-jihadis

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    The child of Libyan immigrants, Salman Ramadan Abedi worshipped at the Didsbury Mosque.

    Interesting story in The Guardian reported that an Imam there – Mohammed Saeed- said he gave a strong sermon against terrorism and about the sanctity of life in 2015. He said 2,000 members of the mosque were with him; a small number were not; and a few signed a petition criticising him” and Salman Abedi showed him “hatred” and “a face of hate” after that point.

    Didsbury mosque, he (Saeed) said, was a moderate place that welcomed Muslims from Arabia, Africa, Asia and Europe. It also had new converts and held an open day once a week for non-Muslims to learn more about the mosque.

    However, there were other problems in the Manchester Libyan community.

    Abdalraouf Abdallah, 24, was jailed for nine and a half years last year after being convicted of funding terrorism and preparing acts of terrorism. Abdallah had helped a number of men travel to Syria so they could fight in the civil war. He was unable to travel himself because he is paralysed from the waist down after being shot during the Libyan revolution.

    One of the people he helped to send to Syria was Stephen Gray, who had converted to Islam after leaving the air force in 2004. He was jailed for nine years after pleading guilty to terrorist offences.

    The family friend said Abedi and Abdallah knew each other: “All the Libyan lads in Manchester know each other”. That relationship will come under renewed scrutiny by the police and MI5.

    Isis’s claim of responsibility for Abedi’s crime was posted in Arabic and English on channels that the group uses on the encrypted Telegram instant messaging service.

    The English version said the bombing in the “shameless” concert arena was “in revenge for Allah’s religion, in an endeavour to terrorize the [infidels], and in response to their transgressions against the lands of the Muslims”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/manchester-arena-attacker-named-salman-abedi-suicide-attack-ariana-grande

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  May 24, 2017

    Time to set up a bomb proof bunker in Manchester and give free explosives to any homicidal religious lunatics wanting to go in there and blow themselves up.

  5. The photos of the victims were a stark reminder of the relative youth of the victims. Do you think Nicky Hager will be writing another book excusing the perpetrators (yes more than one is involved) or blaming the police for treating their muslim citizens badly?
    Sorry, I am angry when I see such beautiful children becoming collateral casualties. But I have only anger not hate, because hate is blinding to rational action but anger when cold allows you to tread softly and carry the big stick of control.

  6. Corky

     /  May 24, 2017

    Just seen a picture of the bomber on One News….what a mousey looking prick. I notice the One News clip of Trumpy was cut where Trumpy says: ” I wont call them monsters because they would like that name.” I bet One News didn’t want to upset the Snow Flakes and Muslim communities.

    I notice of all the leaders offering their condolences ( again) only one had a positive plan to stop Muslims polluting the West….his name is Donald Trump.

  7. Missy

     /  May 24, 2017

    This morning the Home Secretary has confirmed that the bomber was most likely not acting alone, this would only have been said if they are certain he was not acting alone.

    It must be remembered that the language used by the police, Home Sec etc is designed to 1. not create panic in the population, and 2. not to alert associates of terrorists to how much information they actually might have. So they keep it rather vague and non-committal.

    Another point to note is around why the threat level has been increased. The reason is of course because they believe that another attack is imminent, and they don’t do this lightly, but there has also been the suggestion this morning that it could also have come about due to the Americans releasing the name of the bomber prematurely, and that his associates are now aware that they know who it is and may work harder to hide themselves, their plans, and their associations. An interesting theory, but of course only those in JTAC and the Cobra meeting will know for sure what prompted JTAC to raise the threat level.

    • Corky

       /  May 24, 2017

      Some observations:

      1- Katie Hopkins has had a complaint filed against her for hate speech.

      2- I noticed Muslim mourners at public gatherings. If it had been a Muslim country with Christian terrorists involved, how long do you think Christains showing solidarity with Muslims would last before being beheaded?

      3- These bombers aren’t too bright. The chance to kill hundreds doesn’t seem to be part of their plan. The ability to attack as a group seems hindered by some factor.

      4- Even the Queen isn’t immune from criticism.