Trump trip – what’s on a head?

Some curious choices over what has been worn on heads by Donald Trump, his wife and his daughter on visits to religious states.

When in Saudi Arabia…

CNN: Melania and Ivanka Trump arrive in Saudi Arabia sans headscarves

First lady Melania Trump and first daughter Ivanka Trump arrived in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Saturday morning sporting an absence of headscarves.

When asked why the Trumps went without scarves, the White House responded that they were not required to wear them.

Although they decided to forgo the headwear, both women were dressed conservatively in long pants and dresses.

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Their choice of dress during the first stop on President Donald Trump’s inaugural trip abroad is notable because Trump criticized first lady Michelle Obama for making the same decision two years earlier – “Many people are saying it was wonderful that Mrs. Obama refused to wear a scarf in Saudi Arabia, but they were insulted. We have enuf enemies.”

One of many Trump contradictions.

When in Israel…

Ivanka was raised a Presbytarian, Her husband is Jared Kushner Jewish and she converted to Judaism before marrying him in 2009.

Trump followed local custom too (he is Presbytarian):

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This was particularly notable because Trump was the first US president to visit the wall.

However is this in Israel?

When in the Vatican…

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CNN: Melania Trump wears veil, but not a headscarf

Melania Trump has dutifully considered every outfit she has worn during her first trip abroad as first lady — her visit with Pope Francis on Wednesday was no exception.

With Vatican protocol in mind, the first lady arrived to meet the Pope on Wednesday wearing a black veil and long-sleeved Dolce and Gabbana black dress draped down to her calf. President Donald Trump’s daughter, Ivanka Trump, wore a similar outfit with a larger veil.

“Per Vatican protocol, women who have an audience with the Pope are required to wear long sleeves, formal black clothing, and a veil to cover the head,” Stephanie Grisham, the first lady’s communications director, told CNN.

Days earlier, during her visit to Saudi Arabia, a strictly conservative Muslim theocracy, the first lady eschewed the customary headscarf, but stepped foot in the birthplace of Islam wearing a black jumpsuit reminiscent of the abaya worn by most women there. Despite not covering her head, the first lady’s outfit earned her rave reviews from the local press, who praised her attention to the country’s culture.

When asked why she wore a veil at the Vatican but eschewed a head covering in Saudi Arabia, Grisham said there was no request or requirement for her attire from that country.

Melania Trump has prepared extensively, with the help of State Department officials, on the proper protocol and customs for each of the stops on the foreign trip, according to sources familiar with the preparations. She wanted to ensure a smooth debut on the world stage as first lady and avoid any embarrassing missteps.

So presumably Saudi customs and protocols were checked out before deciding what to wear or not to wear. I guess this is just a part of state visits. However there were no Saudi women at the state occasions there.

When in the US…

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However it is one way – leaders who traditionally wear something on their heads keep them on when visiting. This is Saudi Deputy Crown Prince and defence minister Mohammed bin Salman at the White House on 14 March.

 

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19 Comments

  1. Missy

     /  May 25, 2017

    Pete, this is a totally unfair post that shows your prejudice against Trump. It is quite frankly petty and low.

    First, foreign women are not required to wear a headscarf in Saudi Arabia. Michelle Obama didn’t.

    Second, it is tradition women wear black and a mantilla when visiting the vatican. Michelle Obama did.

    My understanding is that when Obama visited Israel Michelle did not go with him. However, remember that Ivanka converted to Judaism so it would be expected she would dress per Jewish tradition whilst there, as for Melania, maybe it is a requirement. Obama after all also wore the skullcap at the wailing wall.

    • Missy

       /  May 25, 2017

      If this is not petty and just another chance to get at Trump, then I look forward to your post criticising the Obama’s for the same thing.

      And before you bring up the tweet Trump made about Michelle Obama, it is a different situation now, and he would (should) have taken the advice of the staff from the Department of State on what to wear, usually in these visits the leader – or VIP – is given a list of protocols and dress guidelines.

      • Why the hell should I post about the Obamas in the past and the Bushes in the past and the Clintons in the past whenever I post something about the Trumps?

        I suggest you have a better look at what I actually posted. I think you may have pre-judged a tad. I’m quite surprised by your reaction.

        • Missy

           /  May 25, 2017

          I apologise if I jumped to conclusions, many of your posts about Trump have been very critical, and this did come across as being another way to get a dig at showing Trump up.

          If you are going to post on such things as the dress of Trump’s wife and daughter and refer to it as contradictory, when you haven’t done so on the wife and children of previous President’s then surely you should expect to be pulled up on it – especially when what you are posting has a precedent.

          You are surprised I think it is unfair that you have made a whole post about the inconsistencies in Melania and Ivanka’s dress in different countries, but you didn’t do so for the previous first lady? Fair enough, but I still think this post is unfair and comes across as a little petty.

    • ???

      I don’t know why you think it’s petty and low, I think you’re taking it the wrong way. All it shows is variations in complying with customs on state visits.

      It did point out Trump’s inconsistency in criticising Michelle Obama, but that’s typical of him pre-presidency compared to following state visit customs and protocols now.

      • Missy

         /  May 25, 2017

        Perhaps it comes across as petty and low because you appear to be using his wife and daughter to yet again make an implied point that he is not cut out to be President. I personally don’t think that is right. If I took it the wrong way I apologise, but that is how it came across to me.

        • I think you have totally taken it the wrong way. I made to inference to Trump’s suitability as president.

          • Anonymous Coward

             /  May 25, 2017

            Whilst copy/pasting articles that said that protocols and requests were followed to the T, you said, in the few short lines that are your own, that it was “curious” and “One of many Trump contradictions” when it was neither.

            • So?

              Trump being very critical of Michele Obama when she was first lady is a contradiction when Melania and Ivanka followed the same protocols. Trump has contradicted many of his past tweets and criticisms since he has become president. This is something that’s been frequently pointed out in media and social media.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 25, 2017

              Being critical of those in power and then doing the same thing when you get in is not a contradiction at all – it is politics 101 followed by opposition politicians since the dawn of time.
              Everyone says they will be different than the guy in power.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  May 25, 2017

              “Trump being very critical of Michele Obama when she was first lady is a contradiction when Melania and Ivanka followed the same protocols.”

              Then why isn’t that in your post? Bringing it up here is a strawman/deflection.

            • It was in the post:

              Their choice of dress during the first stop on President Donald Trump’s inaugural trip abroad is notable because Trump criticized first lady Michelle Obama for making the same decision two years earlier – “Many people are saying it was wonderful that Mrs. Obama refused to wear a scarf in Saudi Arabia, but they were insulted. We have enuf enemies.”

  2. David

     /  May 25, 2017

    And I would guess if Trump visited a holy site in Saudi he would have taken his shoes off or whatever they do. Women obviously do different things but it shows a respect for various religions and a stand for womens rights. Well balanced really.

  3. High Flying Duck

     /  May 25, 2017

    Yes it is a curious post rather than curious choices by Trump.
    Trump & his family curiously followed correct protocol in his attire when visiting a middle eastern nation and then when visiting holy sites.
    As have previous presidents and their families before him.
    Tell us that story about how you are not anti Trump again? I like that one.

  4. Gezza

     /  May 25, 2017

    “So, let’s try & make this the last time you need to be sent to my office, young Donald”

  5. Kevin

     /  May 25, 2017

    Israel has a true friend in Trump.

    • Gezza

       /  May 25, 2017

      So do the Saudis. For the moment.

    • MaureenW

       /  May 25, 2017

      And why exactly does Israel need a true friend in Trunp? Are they victims? Seems to me like the Middle East is being cleared out – who would gain from that?