Trump lectures Europe

 

Donald Trump has spoken strongly about NATO in Brussels, and has also vowed to stop embarrassing US intelligence leaks.

Guardian: Trump rebukes Nato leaders for not paying defence bills

Trump has taken the unprecedented step of lecturing world leaders on their chronic failure to pay for their own defence as they gathered in front of him for the unveiling of memorials to Nato’s role in keeping the peace around the world.

The US president broke with diplomatic norms to use his speech at a Natomeeting in Brussels to directly castigate 23 of the 28 members for failing to spend enough on defence, leaving the “taxpayers of the United States” to pick up the tab.

As tributes to Nato’s collective action – made from fragments of the Berlin Wall and the twin towers – were unveiled, Trump mentioned the article 5 commitment of member states to act as one when attacked. However, he largely focused on letting the leaders, and Nato’s secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, know of his determination to make them pay.

“I have been very very direct with secretary Stoltenberg and members of the alliance in saying Nato members must finally contribute their fair share and meet their financial obligations.

“But 23 of the 28 member nations are still not paying what they should be paying and what they are supposed to be paying for their defence.

“This is not fair to the people and taxpayers of the United States and many of these nations owe massive amounts of money from past years. And not paying in those past years.”

Ironically:

Trump, who said the attack in Manchester illustrated the need for greater cooperation on fighting terrorism, also appeared to demand that states who had so far failed to reach the 2% of GDP funding threshold, make additional reparations in the coming years.

Greater cooperation may mean stopping the US leaks of intelligence.

Fox News: Trump chastises NATO, vows to crackdown on leaks

With long-standing European alliances facing new strain, President Donald Trump chastised NATO member nations for not paying their fair share to protect the long-standing pact and declined to explicitly endorse its mutual defense agreement.

That unprecedented one-two punch from a president in his first major speech in Europe further rattled a continent anxious about Trump’s commitment to their bonds and reeling from another deadly terror attack.

Trump issued his sharp rebuke from Brussels, a city he called a “hellhole” in 2016, where he was addressing leaders at both the European Union and NATO, a pair of alliances whose necessity he has questioned.

Trump returned to his longstanding call for member nations to pay their fair share, lecturing leaders like German chancellor Angela Merkel and new French President Emmanuel Macron about contributing more as they stood listening in awkward silence.

“This is not fair to the people and taxpayers of the United States,” Trumps said in brief remarks. “If NATO countries made their full and complete contributions, then NATO would be even stronger than it is today, especially from the threat of terrorism.”

On terrorism and intelligence:

The aftermath of that attack in Manchester, England, has produced further tension, as a British official said that police have decided not to share further information on the investigation due to leaks blamed on U.S. officials. Trump, who said there is “no relationship we cherish more” than the one with the United Kingdom, declared the leaks “deeply troubling” and said he was asking the Justice Department to lead an investigation into the matter.

“These leaks have been going on for a long time and my administration will get to the bottom of this,” Trump said in a written statement. “The leaks of sensitive information pose a grave threat to our national security.”

Trump and his White House have long complained about “leakers” they think are trying to undermine his presidency.

Theresa May:

British Prime Minister Theresa May said she plans to discuss the leaks with her American counterpart at the NATO gathering to “make clear to President Trump that intelligence that is shared between our law enforcement agencies must remain secure.”

British officials are particularly angry that photos detailing evidence about the bomb used in the Manchester attack were published in The New York Times, although it’s not clear that the paper obtained the photos from U.S. officials.

Emmanuel Macro:

Macron pushed Trump on a sweeping climate agreement and even engaged in an apparent handshake stand-off.

But:

Trump also had lunch with Macron, who has been critical of the Republican president. As the press watched, the two men exchanged a very firm handshake during their meeting, both men gripping tight, their faces showing the strain.

49 Comments

  1. Trevors_elbow

     /  May 26, 2017

    Lecturing. … the writer chosen a word to convey a negative perception… what a huuuuge surprise for a Guardian article.

    Nothing wring with asking the protects to fund their protection.

    As for Merkel what a fool. Manchester fresh in the mind and still pushing open borders and seeding the west with cultures that hate western liberalism . ..

    • Missy

       /  May 26, 2017

      The Guardian hate Trump, love Europe. They go almost feral on anyone who dares criticise the utopia that is the EU. No surprise at all that they will use language with negative connotations. I have no time for the Guardian, they are nothing more than a mouthpiece for the EU – even a lot of longtime Guardian readers are getting sick of the Guardian!

      • I still subscribe to them Missy. They have excellent articles on the Arts and non-political issues. My political values are 180 degrees from their POV, but I need the balance. Maybe, it’s case of know your enemy perhaps 🙂

        • Missy

           /  May 26, 2017

          True trav, and that is why I read it a couple of times a week. In general I do enjoy their lifestyle articles, and it is good for political balance, and for real loony left political balance I just follow twitter! 😀

          I generally read the Telegraph, and the Daily Mail for the tabloid trashy gossip (and Piers Morgan), and the Guardian for Balance, along with the freebie commuter papers in London which tend to be more left leaning (even with a former Conservative Minister in charge of one of them).

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  May 26, 2017

        I see a US political candidate body-slammed a rude Guardian reporter who wouldn’t take no for an answer to the ground the other day. That tactic could catch on.

        • Anonymous Coward

           /  May 26, 2017

          The audio doesn’t paint the same picture Al. It escalated very fast.

          Nice to know you condone violence as a solution though.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  May 26, 2017

            There’s a time and place for everything, AC. Escalation speed probably related to previous history between participants. Amazing how politely reporters treat Mob members they want to interview.

  2. Trumpenreich

     /  May 26, 2017

    “Trump and his White House have long complained about “leakers” they think are trying to undermine his presidency.”

    Awesome, this just gives more ammo for Trump to drain the swamp. CIA, FBI stuffed full with Obama bag carriers, main stream media shills for Hillary – all need to be cleaned out.

    • Corky

       /  May 26, 2017

      You stole my thunder. Trump now has a pretext to dig deep into the intelligence community.
      I wonder which intelligence arm will be the culprit. If Trump is lucky it’s the FBI.

      • Missy

         /  May 26, 2017

        Corky, all reports here state it is law enforcement agencies (so yes, most likely FBI) that have been leaking the information, and not the intelligence agencies (CIA, NSA, DIA etc).

        Some theories floated in the UK (I think I have mentioned them earlier) are that the agency doing the leaking are trying to undermine Trump, but in the process they are putting British lives at risk as this investigation goes into high gear. The one agency that has the most to gain from undermining Trump is the FBI. Interestingly this theory hasn’t been put forward on twitter by the usual conspiracy theory nutters, but by ‘academics’ on the radio.

        • Corky

           /  May 26, 2017

          Interesting…lets see what comes out of the woodwork.

          • Missy

             /  May 26, 2017

            Yep. I am not sure the theories being floated are too much into conspiracy theory area, but I would be surprised if they were deliberately putting British lives at risk just to undermine the President.

            From the way the stories have been written and the sources quoted I believe it is the FBI that has done the leaking, but I think it is more about someone with some misguided notion that they are doing the right thing without knowing or understanding how the are undermining and compromising the investigation in the UK.

        • Blazer

           /  May 26, 2017

          so the same theory is credible if put forward by those you term academics,but is not plausible if…proffered by…those you term…’nutters’.

          • Missy

             /  May 26, 2017

            Blazer where did I say I would have found it less plausible if the nutters had put it forward? You are making stuff up now, so please don’t lie about what I have said.

            I didn’t say I find it plausible, just that it wasn’t too much into conspiracy theory territory, which considering the nutty conspiracy theories being put forward by the Corbyn supporting nutters over the Manchester bombing isn’t too hard. As I said I would be surprised if it was the case.

            Read, think, then comment on what is written not your own lies and fabricated ideas of what I said.

            • Blazer

               /  May 26, 2017

              thats how a reasonable person ..would interpret this statement…’

              ‘Interestingly this theory hasn’t been put forward on twitter by the usual conspiracy theory nutters, but by ‘academics’ on the radio.’

              ‘I am not sure the theories being floated are too much into conspiracy theory area, ‘

      • Anonymous Coward

         /  May 26, 2017

        “If Trump is lucky it’s the FBI.” and if he’s unlucky it’s Kirshner.

        • Corky

           /  May 26, 2017

          Not much in the budget for you..AC?

          • Anonymous Coward

             /  May 26, 2017

            No, but good on you for scraping back in to the lowest tax bracket. Don’t spend it all at once.

            • Corky

               /  May 26, 2017

              Truthfully, I don’t think I have gained much from the budget. I will need to check with my advisor. I’m just so happy that the workhorse of our economy, the middleclass, and those less well off have received something.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  May 26, 2017

              The budget was never going to be as good as sticking the household figures into Stuff’s calculator and finding out how far below the average our costs are.

  3. Who do these leaking clowns think they are playing God with the lives of their closest ally. It would appear that law enforcement agencies (hello FBI) have become a law unto themselves. Trump, you have my permission to drain the swamp.

    • Corky

       /  May 26, 2017

      For some strange reason considered one of the great Presidents.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  May 26, 2017

        He made America great again Corks and is revered for it.
        Replaced a pantywaisted peanut farmer, stopped the policies of appeasement and reminded the world what the USA could be.
        Made some misteps though and was probably not entirely there for the second half of his second term…but his legacy was secure by then.

        • Corky

           /  May 26, 2017

          ‘Replaced a pantywaisted peanut farmer’ Say no more. His greatness is assured.

        • Blazer

           /  May 26, 2017

          so if introducing Reaganomics=an era of unbridled financial chicanery at the expense of the average working man made ‘America great again’….tell me why Trump needs to …’make America …great again’?

          • High Flying Duck

             /  May 26, 2017

            4 reasons:
            – Bush
            – Clinton
            – Bush
            – Obama

            • Blazer

               /  May 26, 2017

              big fail there…just the natural progression of globalisation and deregulation(Reagan/Thatcher) that unleashed such greed ..it…imploded…finally in 2008.I told you Reagan was a mouthpiece,and never had an original idea of his own…only ..yesterday.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 26, 2017

              You said it. I didn’t believe it – despite the breathy “Believe it or not” voiceover.

              Today I’ve had a chance to sleep on it – and I still don’t believe it.

            • Blazer

               /  May 26, 2017

              well if you don’t like Michael Moores voiceover,there are others…try YT…not sure what it takes to make you believe what is …common knowledge.

    • Brown

       /  May 26, 2017

      No context whatsoever and no one looks even half offended. You need to try harder Pete.

    • Missy

       /  May 26, 2017

      hard to say if he did it off his own bat, or if the photographer said he had to move to the front of the picture. My money is on the latter, having been involved in many official photos both in front and behind the scenes, I know that the positioning of the subjects is up to the photographer, not the subjects.

      Just another chance for the BBC to try and make Trump look bad I think, a bit too try hard though, as anyone with an ounce of intelligence would realise he was most likely following the orders of the photographer.

      • Gezza

         /  May 26, 2017

        Seems like nearly every video clip Aljaz of Trump at the Nato meeting shows him jutting his jaw out & reminding me of Mussolini. Can’t help smiling here. They showed Macron pointedly ignoring his outstretched hand & shaking hands with several other leaders first.

        • Gezza

           /  May 26, 2017

          Just saying …

          • Corky

             /  May 26, 2017

            ‘Just saying’ … seems a popular saying on this site.

            ”They showed Macron pointedly ignoring his outstretched hand & shaking hands with several other leaders first.”

            Very bad decision on Macron’s part, for a varieriy of reasons. Still, that’s for him to find out.

            • Gezza

               /  May 26, 2017

              Well, to be fair, he might’ve just needed a bit of practice before taking on a handshake wrestling match with Trumpy.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 26, 2017

              Gezz – If you saw Macron’s seated handshake effort with Trump it looks like he trained for months for the opportunity.
              Hi put Trump’s hand through the ringer…Trump let go and Macron kept squeezing and shaking – but it was Trump who was called out for it being odd.

            • Corky

               /  May 26, 2017

              Actually learnt this from the man himself…boy, did we pay for the privilege.

              Lurchy and Blazer, you are getting this alpha male stuff for free…throw away your pink tutus.

            • Gezza

               /  May 26, 2017

              Of course I saw it H. Aljaz tv showed it. They always show clips of anything that makes Trump look mad, bad, sad, or being had do it’s hard to escape my suspicion that they might not like him all that much.

              Although to be fair they usually televise his full speeches at events live, so if he does or says anything daft in those it’s not really their fault. When it comes to Trump I generally just filter out their blatantly obvious bias against him & smile at the funny bits.

            • Gezza

               /  May 26, 2017

              * do = so.

          • Oh no – we have to compare to the lesser, but more authentic, fascist dictator to try and poke fun at Donald…..

            • Gezza

               /  May 26, 2017

              Well, no, you don’t have to Dave. I’ve just always been struck how Trumpy adopts very similar facial poses ever since he got on the campaign trail. But of course there are differences. Trump’s not a fascist, he doesn’t have any Blackshirts & they didn’t March on Washington, he doesn’t wear a uniform, and he doesn’t do that folding his arms thing when does the jaw-jutting. It’s the jaw jutting thing.

            • Gezza

               /  May 26, 2017

              I don’t think you understand, dave. I’ve got rather fond of Trumpy. I certainly can’t stand that Schumer character. But all we can do from here is watch the US making a damn fool of itself as a torn up country at the moment.

              They’ve rejected an awful candidate in Hillers, but chosen a Prez who’s a fun character, a major bullshit artist, and in some ways a bit of a New York loudmouth bumpkin – with an extraordinarily inflated ego, and a limited vocabulary – consisting mostly of a few oft-repeated superlatives like amazing, tremendous, beautiful & great.

              He embraced the right wing and alt right media early, started a war with the mainstream media in the campaign, attacked the FBI & the Intelligence Community, & employed the strategy of being outrageous & telling really big porkies to some very gullible plebs to get elected, & now we’re all getting to see what an ungodly mess it’s all turned into. How this shambles gets cleaned up is going to be fascinating to watch.

              The classic solution if he can’t turn around the polls is to start a war – but I don’t think he really wants to do that. His preferred option seems to be to arm them up & get other countries to fight the wars. That might work, but it mostly hasn’t for other presidents, & it’s a bit risky arming some dodgy regimes.

              But if the Special Counsel & Congressional enquiries turn up nothing but more innuendo & / or evidence of improper spying by Obama then I think things will turn around for him for a while.

              His healthcare reforms look like they’re not going to be great for millions of people there though.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  May 26, 2017

          Cheese eating surrender monkeys making a come-back, G?

          • Gezza

             /  May 26, 2017

            No, I don’t think so, Al. That’s what the worst thing about the handshake wrestle, getting caught out by that little runt.

        • Gezza

           /  May 26, 2017

          The gif’s available already Al. Trumpy tries to surrender, but the runt decides when it’s over. 😕

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  May 26, 2017

            Nothing in it, G. Smile for the camera at the end.

            • Gezza

               /  May 26, 2017

              Only Macron shows his teeth. Those two knew what was going on.

            • Gezza

               /  May 26, 2017

              Boys, eh❓ 😀