Open Forum – Sunday

28 May 2017

Facebook: NZ politics/media+

This post is open to anyone to comment on any topic that isn’t spam, illegal or offensive. All Your NZ posts are open but this one is for you to raise topics that interest you. 

If providing opinions on or summaries of other information also provide a link to that information. Bloggers are welcome to summarise and link to their posts.

Comments worth more exposure may be repeated as posts.

Your NZ is a mostly political and social issues blog but not limited to that, and views from anywhere on the political spectrum are welcome. Some ground rules:

  • If possible support arguments, news, points or opinions with links to sources and facts.
  • Please don’t post anything illegal, potentially defamatory or abusive.
Previous Post

26 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  May 28, 2017

    My agility dog enjoys a blast, haters get ready to down tick 3-2-1

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  May 28, 2017

      Who called that dog stupid ??? He’s high-spirited.

      The PDT can’t bear to see anyone enjoying themselves….waits for PDT to downtick this…

  2. lurcher1948

     /  May 28, 2017

    https://youtu.be/g2-iAiTaZQg enjoy my RED enjoying life

  3. lurcher1948

     /  May 28, 2017

    BLUES this is how you win games…

  4. Kevin

     /  May 28, 2017

    Global Drug Survey (NZ edition)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/92677551/global-drug-survey-2017-how-kiwis-are-using-drugs-and-booze

    Some interesting facts:

    Most Cannabis users have a toke less than once a month with a small minority (1/5th) who use it about every day.

    Methamphetamine use is only 3.1%. Hardly the epidemic that some claim. Hell, more people use Cocaine (4.3%)

    There’s been an enormous drop in the price of MDMA although it’s highly questionable whether or not what users are buying is MDMA. And unlike the rest of the world most users snort rather than pop a pill or dab.

    And overall most people who use illegal drugs use less than once a month.

    This proves what I’ve been saying for a while. Most drug users are temperate users who use without any problems. Yet the Misuse of Drugs Act continues to presume most users of illegal drugs misuse and should be punished.

    • Conspiratoor

       /  May 28, 2017

      Come on Kev take a reality check. Who is going to reveal to a survey they are taking class a drugs

      • Kevin

         /  May 28, 2017

        3800 kiwis according to the survey.

    • Kevin, sorry I have seen the other side of the coin in Vietnam in the 70s where i saw the wrecks made of young (under 23 year old) addicts with an estimated life expectancy of less than 3 years. You can find your own route to hell in your own way and I hope you can always be as moderate as you claim – but please don’t try and sell your story to younger minds.

      • Kevin

         /  May 28, 2017

        You can’t compare war-time Vietnam to modern New Zealand. And in Vietnam the drug of choice as you know was Heroin – the most dangerous and addictive drug there is.

        For the record I believe anyone who regularly does recreational drugs is an idiot. And anyone who puts a psychoactive substance into their body without knowing what they’re doing is an idiot. Personally I believe using recreational drugs more than once a month is too much. And to use recreational drugs to self-medicate is a recipe for disaster (first comes the addiction and then the excuses). I don’t like alcohol and I don’t particular like recreational drugs either and think Cannabis is way overrated. To be perfectly honest I get a better high out of exercise and being able to solve a really complicated problem. For me this is a justice issue.

        To younger minds I would say this – if you’re going to try drugs that is your choice but treat them with all the respect deserving of something that can kill you. The first time you try a drug you won’t get hooked, nor the second, third or even fourth time. But keep going and first it becomes a habit and then it becomes an addiction.

        The point is most recreational drug users aren’t idiots and use less than once a month.

        • PDB

           /  May 28, 2017

          Kevin: “The point is most recreational drug users aren’t idiots and use less than once a month.”

          From the GDS site: “We conclude that opt-in web surveys of hard-to-reach populations are an efficient way of gaining in-depth understandings of stigmatized behaviours among hidden populations, and are appropriate, as long as they are not used to estimate drug use prevalence of the general population”

          “Don’t look to GDS for national estimates. GDS is designed to answer comparison questions that are not dependent on probability samples.”

          • Kevin

             /  May 28, 2017

            I’m not estimating drug use prevalence of the general population. I’m estimating drug use habits of those who choose to do recreational drugs such as Cannabis. And unless those 3800 recreational drugs users who chose to opt-in are for some reason non-representive of recreational drugs users as a whole I stand by more conclusion.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 28, 2017

              Alas, the 3% do damage that is totally disproportionate to their numbers.

              I couldn’t believe the hoohah over Schapelle Corby-there can’t be too much going on in Australia at the moment. The press staking out her mother’s house ? Spare me ! SC isn’t so interesting that the frenzy is justified !

  5. Gezza

     /  May 28, 2017

    The government giveth via the front door & taketh away via the back door
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/331765/home-levies-rise-worrying-insurance-council

    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 28, 2017

      That won’t affect anyone – no-one can afford a house any more.

      • Gezza

         /  May 28, 2017

        It’s the freakin rates increases, insurance premium levies, & other hidden taxes that are pissing me off. They’ll have to go. 😡 Who else have we got ? 😳

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  May 28, 2017

          I whinge as much as anyone about rates, but like what they provide-ditto insurance.

          I don’t know how people who don’t have it do have the cheek to expect the benefits of it ! Their house burns down-no worries-other people will cough up. Remember the Bartletts who even had a Give a Little page asking for money ?

          • Gezza

             /  May 28, 2017

            I’ll bet you don’t whinge as much about rates as I do. If there was a course in it I’d have a Diploma by now.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 28, 2017

              😀

              Well, perhaps I’m not THAT bad.

              They and insurance are still cheaper than paying rent; I am very thankful to be mortgage free. When a friend’s young husband was killed in a crash, the wife and children were mortgage-free, thanks to insurance, a legacy from him. It was a ghastly tragedy, but at least they were left without that extra burden.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  May 28, 2017

              We pay our by weekly Ap, so every three months we get a bill saying we owe nothing. It really takes the sting out of it.

            • Gezza

               /  May 28, 2017

              I prefer to be infuriated 4 times a year because otherwise I’d just be too laid back.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  May 28, 2017

              Free advice tonight G. Pay it in full and be infuriated only once.

            • Gezza

               /  May 28, 2017

              I could I suppose, as soon Greta has paid the rebate into the account, but then I might lose a few pfennigs of interest & then I’d be infuriated every month. Also it means adjusting my infuriation days schedule & it’ll conflict with the laid back days one.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  May 28, 2017

          You’re not wrong Gezz .I hate the f@#$ing petty small minded bureaucrats who run councils. Think they can take ratepayer money and use it for every little pet project or well meaning crusade they believe in this week instead of just looking after the basics and letting people get on with their lives.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  May 28, 2017

          The insurances are a little beyond the Govt’s control Gezz – EQC needs topping up after a couple of big jolts, and the weather has been unhelpful in keeping premiums down (I would say more but I’m afraid of calling Griff…).
          It is the “discretionary” charges that get lumped in to rates etc by councils that piss me off.
          At least ACC charges came down for employees and vehicles.