Whaleoil Party?

A Whaleoil Party was prompted by someone suggesting Cameron Slater in response to the Stuff poll question “If you could choose any living person in the world to be prime minister of New Zealand who would it be?”

KGB said “I was thinking there should be a WO Party 2017”.

Pete Belt posted The Whaleoil Party.

I seriously contemplated it about a year ago and even pitched it to Cam.

It could have been good for Whale Oil statistics, and would have generated a bit of political discussion (always a good thing) but not much else.

The three main reasons it didn’t happen are

1) We have respect for the election process.

Yeah, right.

Like trying to overturn the election of  Len Brown as mayor of Auckland in 2013?

Like running a concerted campaign against Colin Craig, Kim Dotcom and to a lesser extent others.

Like Dirty Politics.

To create a party simply for disruption, publicity and self interest wasn’t respecting voters. If we’re going to do it, then we need to be serious enough to give it a real go.

Who would even consider “a party simply for disruption, publicity and self interest”? Belt seems to have.

2) We knew we’d be severely hamstrung with three defamation suits being worked through. We wouldn’t be able to do the idea justice, no matter if it was done tongue in cheek or seriously.

Again Belt suggests a non-serious party, but he’s right in that with their legal battles efforts to get a new party started and contesting an election would severely hamstrung.

3) Whaleoil believes it has more influence in our current role than we would have with a parliamentary presence.

And interesting comment.  Whale is Whale Oil’s current role? At times they claim to be journalists doing media stuff, but this suggests more of an agenda or vested interest in particular outcomes.

Their actual current influence is actually quite small.

After the last election they may have ended any hope of the Conservative Party getting into Parliament, but Craig would have struggled to succeed anyway.

Their influence on National and the Government now appears to be minimal.

Whale Oil seems to be trying to promote Winston Peters and NZ First, but NZ First had been polling well long before Slater did his weird switch of political allegiance, and Peters has been promoted as ‘kingmaker’ for many elections, coming up just short in the last two without WO help (actually despite WO opposition).

I was still keen to run a pretend party. That is, we’d go through the motions. We do the policies, the web site, the public appearances, but we would NOT register as a party. But. Due to 2) above, I knew we couldn’t do it justice the way I would have liked to have seen it done.

Again he suggests it may have been something along the lines of “a party simply for disruption, publicity and self interest”.

The chances of succeeding with a new party are very small, as even those with more money than sense like Craig and Kim Dotcom have found out.

There is a restlessness.

There may be a restlessness on the fringes, as expressed on Whale Oil, The Standard and The Daily Blog, but the vast majority of voters are closer to being mostly disinterested.

At this stage we are trying to give it a voice. But it does not have a home.

Whale Oil seems to be trying to promote political restlessness, and they have some supporters who have a home where they can discuss it without much real challenge due to their comment filtering (moderation/censorship).

So their niche of restlessness has a voice. It’s just a small voice in a large political wilderness.

There only real chance of significant political influence is to find another scandal and promote the hell out of it, and hope that the mainstream media that they have always relied on picks it up and makes something of it.

The way things currently look at Whale Oil the most likely attempt to influence the upcoming election might be a scandal promoted jointly by Winston Peters and Whale Oil.

At least Peters still gets all media attention he seems to want.

But what about the future?

If Slater and Whale Oil score a $16 million award from the current defamation trial, or even a significant fraction of that, it could finance a future party but even if there is no appeal (that would be unusual with Craig involved) it is too late for this year.

What if NZ First get to call the coalition shots and get into a position of real power in the next government?

Slater as media and communications manager? Shades of Steve Barron?

I doubt it. I suspect that Slater’s promotion of NZ First is nothing more than the only way he can see to try to cause disruption, more likely as pay back for being left on the political outer rather than with any positive aim.

A Whaleoil Party could use it’s blog support base to sign up 500 members, but from there it would be difficult. They are busy enough raising revenue and donations to keep the blog afloat, trying to finance a party and campaigns would be a stretch unless they found one generous benefactor.

The media would likely write off as a stunt and virtually ignore a Whale Oil party, so it’s reach would be limited to their own publicity – preaching to the converted.



  1. John Schmidt

     /  May 29, 2017

    4) decided not to do it as it would show how irrelevant WO is because its likely poll result would hover around 0-0.5%

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  May 29, 2017

      4) b. Unlikely to be able to sign up the 500 payed-up members required for registration

      4) c. The $500 registration fee would put too much of a burden on our already strained ‘begging bowl’ finances.

  2. Joe Bloggs

     /  May 29, 2017

    Slater has barely enough nous to be the dirt under Bannon’s forked tail.

    Any talk of a serious political party that comes from his or Belt’s mouth is delusional

  3. Blazer

     /  May 29, 2017

    there is a gap to be filled there….without the McGillcuddy Serious Party and the Monster Raving Looney Party active.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 29, 2017

      I thought TOP had filled that role? The Internet Party is also following up with a creditable more modern form of loony.

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  May 29, 2017

      The “great leap backwards” would probably get the McGillicuddy’s a few more votes now than it did in the 90’s.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  May 29, 2017

        Hard to be distinctive from Labour though.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  May 29, 2017

          I saw Christine Rankin today-remember when she stood for parliament as a Cnservative Party candidate and was sure that she would win Epsom & take (?) candidates in with her as a result ? She was frowning in that self-important way that she has, and drove off in a Merc.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  May 29, 2017

            No, I remember her from when she ran WINZ and I had involvement with some of her clueless and grossly incompetent IT management.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 31, 2017

              A friend worked there then & had a poor opinion of her-the meanness of getting someone else sacked because they had organised and signed off that extravagant jaunt to wherever it was on her orders had the sort of reception that one would expect ! He said that the woman (went for wrongful dismissal ?) and was rightly awarded a very large amount.

              I remember her asking Mark Prebble if he thought that her top was too low-and then wanting to do him for sexual harassment when he said yes, and he could see an embarrassing amount of breast !

  4. Ray

     /  May 29, 2017

    I noticed a “threat” on that blog that if all NZ firearm owners were to vote as one, things would change.
    I am not sure if all firearm owners feel quite that threatened and am fairly sure they wouldn’t feel Slater would be either a good look or a good representative of their views.

    • I’m a firearm owner with quite different views on firearm ownership and use to Slater. I certainly wouldn’t want or trust him to represent my views.

      I doubt that I’m the only one.

  5. Ray

     /  May 29, 2017

    Got yourself an upvote Blazer, a first, keep up the good work.

  6. duperez

     /  May 29, 2017

    If you hear a couple of one-legged, uncoordinated, blind kids talking about how they’re going to get into the All Blacks and each win four Rugby World Cups, pay heed. Realise there’s more chance of that happening than there is of Whale Oil and Slater mounting a serious political party.

    • That’s probably reflected in Belt repeating the suggestion it would be designed for disruption rather than representation.

  7. pdm

     /  May 29, 2017

    To me this seems no different to the people who phone in to Leighton Smith, Larry Williams, Kerre McIvor, Bruce Russell or the awful Marcus Lush telling them they should be Prime Minister.

    Sounds good at the time but never going to happen.

    • Blazer

       /  May 29, 2017

      you listen to alot of…talkback.I always thought Lush,was good,down to earth and interesting.

  8. Griff

     /  May 29, 2017

    There is room on the right for a party expressing views that diverge from national.
    At present one monolithic party represents too higher percentage of voters with differing political ideology .
    However Whale is focused on tearing the party down rather than a viable alternative to national’s position. .
    This may be valid within the American electoral system here MMP makes it redundant.
    Peters has never represented an ideology he is a populist .
    Why any person with a coherent political ideology would support NZF with Peters as its leader is beyond my comprehension.

    • duperez

       /  May 29, 2017

      What percentage of the public has a ‘coherent political ideology’ do you think?

      Did the mass who supported John Key do that because they had a ‘coherent political ideology’? (Only using that as example because it was recent, sustained and significant.)

  9. Griff

     /  May 29, 2017

    John Key was prime minster
    He was not the president and had no where near the power or the influence within his party given under a presidential system . Key was a accomplished leader more than a political force. I think many supported his leadership for this reason in what was an economically difficult time around the globe .

    National is a party of the right economically socially it is unable to represent liberal or conservative well.

    Yip many don’t have a coherent political ideology .
    That is not the point pontifical party’s mostly represent an ideology. National’s is in a limbo between its socially conservative faction and the social liberals.
    Drug law reform ,Reproductive rights, The right to die are social issues with support for change within the electorate stymied by the conservatives within the party.

    From his history Whale doesn’t have an overriding ideology. There is limited room on the political spectrum for a populist party in nz…willingly taken up by Winston P.

    • duperez

       /  May 29, 2017

      My point was a response to you finding it beyond your comprehension that any person with a coherent political ideology would support NZF with Peters as its leader.

      Lots of people with no coherent political ideology support lots of politicians. Some of those politicians who some struggle to find having any discernible coherent political ideology.

      I reckon it’s fair to say numbers with no coherent political ideology voted for Muldoon because they thought he was tough. They probably thought ‘being strong’ was his coherent political ideology!

  10. Bill Brown

     /  May 29, 2017

    I think they are just putting this out there so you all write posts and comment


    • They’ve made the ‘setting up for a silly’ story defence before, but if that’s true it’s their own credibility they are messing with.

      How many people read a post there about silly ideas compared to how many read something here about them?


  11. Conspiratoor

     /  May 29, 2017

    With a couple of exceptions more inane commentary from pg and his loyal flock of slater fans. We only await loki to pull one of his classy epithets out of his private sewer to round the day off
    But today a response from the whale who have finally responded in kind…

    “The New Zealand Spittlebug is an online phenomenon. It loves to comment about how ineffective and simply dreadful Whaleoil is day after day after day. Seriously if Whaleoil didn’t exist I don’t know what the bug would do with its life.”

    • That’s funny C.

      But actually you must have assumed the wrong target or have been ill advised, because unless it’s all made up (that is, fake and faux offence) it isn’t about here.

      • Conspiratoor

         /  May 29, 2017

        I had a chuckle too. To be fair they have given ac’s entirely authentic non-fake claim above due recognition…

        “I read that we only have around 500 supporters and the fact that I regularly promote subscriptions means that we are barely keeping our heads above water financially”

        • Ah, are they actually reacting to those comments? Even funnier.

          They seem to think that every blog is like them, full of sock puppet pseudonyms. As you should be aware, multiple IDs aren’t allowed here – they’ve tried it on here themselves so will also know but that doesn’t seem to stop them making things up.

          As I said, big sooks unable to comprehend that anyone could operate differently to them.

          • Anonymous Coward

             /  May 30, 2017

            I touched a nerve it would seem.

    • But whoever it’s supposed to be about, it shows again that WO are happy to dish out criticism, attacking is what they live and die on, but they have a lot of difficulty taking a lot less threatening critiques.

      Big sooks really, aren’t they.

    • You do realise that post is just a ‘poor us’ sympathy card plea for subscriptions don’t you?

      • Conspiratoor

         /  May 29, 2017

        No. I didnt realise you had bugged sb’s phone but thanks for enlightening me

        • ?? You’re not making much sense.

          Actually getting 500 paid up members could be quite challenging, especially given the amount of resistance from many of the troops to joining the war against National.

          • Conspiratoor

             /  May 29, 2017

            A play on words, albeit a feeble one I do concede. Must try harder