US pulling out of Paris climate accord

As expected Donald Trump has officially announced that he will pull the US out of the Paris Accord on climate change.

Given how Trump campaigned against the Paris Accord he could hardly not follow through with this.

He says that the agreement is unfair on US workers.

He says that the US will work on negotiating a ‘fair deal’.

A pattern is emerging here – Trump pulling out of international agreements and then trying to re-negotiate them.

Of course he can do what he likes, but he is at risk of building a reputation of being unreliable when it comes to negotiated agreements.

If he tries to use the size of his power to dump on other countries too much he may isolate the US more than he wants to.

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  1. Gezza

     /  June 2, 2017

    Trumpy said he is representing Pittsburg – not Paris.

    Aljaz tv reports the Mayor of Pittsburg has said they are sticking with the Paris accord 😕❓

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    • Gezza

       /  June 2, 2017

      Wait a minute … There’s a Pittsburg in California, & a Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania 😳
      Further enquiries might be needed to clarify which Mayor is putting the boot in.

      Should we be imposing evonomic sanctions & pulling out of Five Eyes? Has Bill said anything about retaliation yet ?

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      • Gezza

         /  June 2, 2017

        * economic – soz. 😕

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      • Gezza

         /  June 2, 2017

        It’s not looking good for The Trumpster in Pittsburgh, PA 😕

        Another bitter domestic dispute Al. Civil unrest❓😳

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 2, 2017

          Pittsburgh was built on coal mines – and may yet fall into them:
          http://wesa.fm/post/pittsburghs-long-history-coal-mining-isnt-so-buried-past

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          • Gezza

             /  June 2, 2017

            So Trump wants to make the problem worse❓😦

            Is there no end to his evilness, Al❗️❓ 😡

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 2, 2017

              Donald Trump won Pennsylvania by 44,292 votes out of more than six million cast, a margin of 0.7%. Prior to the election, major news organizations were conflicted about whether Pennsylvania was leaning Democratic or too close to call. Donald Trump’s appeal to Rust Belt workers, combined with the traditional Republican support coming from rural areas of the state, overtook the urban vote, making him the first Republican candidate for president to carry Pennsylvania since George H. W. Bush in 1988. Additionally, this was the first time since 1948 that the Democratic candidate performed worse in Pennsylvania than in the nation at large; in fact it was the first time since 1948 in which the Democratic candidate who ultimately led in the nationwide popular vote failed to carry Pennsylvania.

              Trump outvoted the Pittsburgh Democrats. Probably will do so again now the Paris accord is vetoed.

            • Gezza

               /  June 2, 2017

              Yeah … ? Well, we’ll see, Al … 😠

  2. David

     /  June 2, 2017

    Good, it was a rubbish deal but thanks to fracking and CAFE rules the US is miles in front of other nations already.
    How well has that ETS worked out for NZ, made not a jot of difference.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  June 2, 2017

      You’re drinking the Kool-Aid again David.

      In contrast to your bloviating, Exxon-Mobil and the three largest U.S. coal companies actually urged trump to stick with the Paris deal, in an effort to secure more backing for technologies like carbon capture and sequestration that they believe are vital to the industry’s long-term future.

      Why? Because staying with the nonbinding deal would not inhibit trump’s broader energy goals and would allow the U.S. to maintain influence in international climate change negotiations and related diplomatic efforts.

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      • David

         /  June 2, 2017

        “In contrast to your bloviating, Exxon-Mobil and the three largest U.S. coal companies actually urged trump to stick with the Paris deal, in an effort to secure more backing for technologies like carbon capture and sequestration that they believe are vital to the industry’s long-term future.”

        What backing do they need exactly? They have billions, they can develop as much carbon capture tech as they wish.

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  3. Joe Bloggs

     /  June 2, 2017

    This morning’s NY Times editorial says it all:

    People say, if all you have is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail. We should be so lucky. President Trump has a hammer, but all he’ll use it for is to smash things that others have built, as the world looks on in wonder and in fear. The latest, most troubling example is his decision to obliterate the Paris climate accord: After nearly 200 years of scientific inquiry and over 20 years of patient diplomacy that united every nation save Syria and Nicaragua, we had this afternoon’s big game-show Rose Garden reveal: Count us out.

    It’s a stupid and reckless decision — our nation’s dumbest act since launching the war in Iraq. But it’s not stupid and reckless in the normal way. Instead, it amounts to a thorough repudiation of two of the civilizing forces on our planet: diplomacy and science. It undercuts our civilization’s chances of surviving global warming, but it also undercuts our civilization itself, since that civilization rests in large measure on those two forces.

    Trump famously called global warming a hoax during the campaign, and with this decision he’s wagering that he was actually right — he’s calling his own bluff. No line of argument in the physical world supports his claim, and no credible authority backs him, not here and not abroad. It’s telling that he simultaneously wants to cut the funding for the satellites and ocean buoys that monitor our degrading climate. Every piece of data they collect makes clear his foolishness.

    So now America joins Nicaragua and Syria as the only 3 nations that decline to participate in the Paris accord. Only Nigaragua didn’t ratify the Paris Accord because leaders there though the accord didn’t go far enough to alleviate climate change. And of course Assad is a stand-up guy.

    This is an ignorant, cynical appeal to the anti-science idiots, and the most self-defeating action yet taken by the orange shitgibbon. He makes Forrest Gump look like a genius.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 2, 2017

      Tripe. US emissions have fallen far faster than the rest of the world simply because they have pursued efficient and cheap energy via fracking.

      The loony Left make Forrest Gump look like a genius.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 2, 2017

        Liar.

        1. EU carbon emissions have fallend faster
        2. attributing any decline solely to fracking is reductionsit bullshit that ignores the 3 million Americans who have found work in low-emission energy alternatives, and ignores the reduction in electricity demand that has resulted from warmer winters in the past few years

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 2, 2017

          The EU achieved it by bankrupting half of its countries and putting millions out of work.

          the reduction in electricity demand that has resulted from warmer winters in the past few years

          Let’s hear it for climate change!

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 2, 2017

          The bottom right chart in the full NYT article shows US emissions have declined while the rest of the world has greatly increased despite Paris.

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          • Gezza

             /  June 2, 2017

            🤔 Maybe, but you can’t deny White House methane emissions have rocketed since February, Al. 😕

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 2, 2017

              Dunno, G. I haven’t heard anything about Trump backfiring. Or is poor Spicer’s digestive tract suffering?

            • Gezza

               /  June 2, 2017

              Don’t start picking on Sean Al. I’m very fond of Sean & I feel very protective towards that loyal little guy. 🐶

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 2, 2017

              I know that, G. Just wondering who’s been eating all the beans there.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 2, 2017

              For Sale; Hogwash, 1st Grade. Apply The White House, Washington, DC.

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 2, 2017

    And McKibben is a prime loony climate alarmist.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  June 2, 2017

      Now you’re just trolling

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    • So next you’re going to say that man has not impacted the natural environment and we can carry on post-haste…!? Luckily for you, most NZ pollies and business people share your view so we’ll carry on doing nothing here until our fate is decided

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 2, 2017

        No, I’m going to say that we certainly have impacted the natural environment and will continue to do so, hopefully with ever increasing knowledge, judgement and skill. Some of that will need to be deployed to prevent the planet re-entering it’s periodic and long-lived ice ages, now overdue, that would be catastrophic for human and most other life on it.

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  5. Joe Bloggs

     /  June 2, 2017

    Two of the world’s biggest oil producers staunchly advocated staying in the Paris Accord

    ConocoPhillips, the world’s largest independent oil and gas producer, also reiterated its support for the climate agreement on Wednesday. “It gives the U.S. the ability to participate in future climate discussions to safeguard its economic and environmental best interests,” spokesman Daren Beaudo told Bloomberg.

    Exxon Chief Executive Officer Darren Woods took it a step further during the company’s annual investor meeting in Dallas, saying that oil demand will continue to grow in the coming decades, even with the Paris agreement in place.

    “Energy needs are a function of population and living standards,” Woods said in his first annual meeting since becoming CEO on Jan. 1. “When it comes to policy, the goal should be to reduce emissions at the lowest cost to society.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-31/exxon-conoco-back-paris-climate-deal-as-trump-weighs-pact-exit

    Fortunately the shitgibbon has to wait until November 2019 to formally submit his bid to withdraw from the accord, and by then hopefully he’ll have been impeached or committed to a mental institution.

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    • Brown

       /  June 2, 2017

      “shitgibbon”

      You lose when you revert to childish slogans no matter how towering you think your intellect is.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 2, 2017

        I make no claims whatsoever to have a towering intellect. I leave that to Alan.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 2, 2017

          I don’t claim it, I just try to use it, JB.

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          • Anonymous Coward

             /  June 2, 2017

            Not hard enough it seems, it wouldn’t take one monkey, let alone 50, very long to type TDS.

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            • Gezza

               /  June 2, 2017

              T … D …
              Damn … what comes after D … think ! Think !

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  June 2, 2017

              ..That’s it… S…

            • Gezza

               /  June 2, 2017

              Right on the money 👍

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 2, 2017

      Your TDS is showing, JB. “When it comes to policy, the goal should be to reduce emissions at the lowest cost to society.”

      Pretty much what Trump says too.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 2, 2017

        Thing is, Exxon-Mobil believes that can be achieved more effectively by staying in the accord…

        … which is pretty much the exact opposite to what trump is saying

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 2, 2017

          So same goal, different routes. Time to get treatment for your TDS.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 2, 2017

            Gezza and Anon…off to the Naughty Corner this minute.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  June 2, 2017

      Follow the money trail Joe… and you’ll find it leads straight to independent oil and gas producers. These guys know the paris accord is a hoax and have as much interest in fighting the climate gods as you would as lets say …encouraging the creators of wealth

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  6. PDB

     /  June 2, 2017

    We should pull out too – based on the USA’s 2015 carbon emissions we would take 154 years to match that one years worth.

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    • A global problem needs a global response… sure, without ‘Murica for the time being but, hey, they don’t base their whole international brand on a clean, green image

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      • PDB

         /  June 2, 2017

        At the very least Trump is being honest about his intentions, a lot of countries signing the Paris climate accord will do bugger all to help the climate considering it is non-binding & not enforced. The whole thing is a lot of ‘feel good’ nonsense built on the false premise that humans are the main cause of climate change and temperature rise.

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        • A false premise according to who? And they were never going to jump straight into serious cuts. There was always going to be a period of getting systems in place but at least it was an acceptance that there might be a problem. The US has always struggled with any multi-lateral organisation but what they don’t appear to understand is that their go-it-alone approach sets a bad precedent for the next super-power, who will be able to justify doing whatever is in their national interest. Ironically, China is now investing more in clean energy than America.

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  7. Gezza

     /  June 2, 2017

    😳 … 😕

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 2, 2017

      Hollywood TDS epidemic.

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      • Gezza

         /  June 2, 2017

        Pure TBS covfefery from you again Al 😃

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 2, 2017

        Honestly Al, if trump declared that the world was flat, you’d be out on the Brynderwyns tomorrow with your garden roller helping to prove he’s right 😀

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 2, 2017

          Honestly, JB, what do you think DiCaprio and your average Hollywood clothes-hanger knows about climate change?

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          • Gezza

             /  June 2, 2017

            Come on Al – if he knows about costume change why shouldn’t he know about climate change ?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 2, 2017

              Probably learnt about if from the same source, G.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 2, 2017

              He was very good in the titanic

            • Gezza

               /  June 2, 2017

              Didn’t he end up frozen to death in the sea?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 2, 2017

              Correct G. Fast forward 200 years and the warming caused by the master persuader will have proved to be an absolute master stroke. The man’s a bloody genius …as well as a fellow lover of ice cream

            • Gezza

               /  June 2, 2017

              Maybe. I notice as usual though, c, you just skip over the issue of his evilness, like it’s not even a problem. 😠

            • MaureenW

               /  June 2, 2017

              How could you tell?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 2, 2017

              G, or maybe I just have a dilbert-like filter on human behavior. The noise just doesn’t get through. Cheers,c

        • Gezza

           /  June 2, 2017

          George Webb just recently explained there’s always “tells” Maureen. You just need to know what to look for.

          They’re all going down, now that George’s Seth Rich murder investigation has finally exposed all the publicly available and secret international intelligence agency source contact *metadata* links of everybody of importance to all the different limo stealing, organ harvesting, spy-training, child trafficking, fake New York Film Academy terrorist recruitment, state secret trading, crooked military contractor selection & murder for hire – ratlines.

          The Trumps are clearly connected to the Clinton arm of the whole decades-old rotten to the core criminal network – they’re in it up to their necks imo. The links are quite clear in this *metadata*.

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    • Gezza

       /  June 2, 2017

      😬 … 🖕❓

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 2, 2017

        We look forward to his announcement that he will also return all his US Govt subsidies in protest.

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        • Trevors_elbow

           /  June 2, 2017

          Subsidies are Wat the corporate objectors are all about… follow the money 😊

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    • David

       /  June 2, 2017

      This from the guy who took a private jet to Europe to pick up an environmental award and then jetted straight back home again. I think he may find that those super yachts he likes to hang out with super models on has quite the carbon footprint. I quite like him but he is a bloody hypocrite.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  June 2, 2017

        He’s taking us to Mars David. And in doing so will save humanity. So I hope he patches things up with the master persuader. Cheers, c

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        • Gezza

           /  June 2, 2017

          When Trumpy was doing all those nomination selection Q&A debates with Lying Ted, Low-energy Jeb, Little Marco etc, I noticed he wasn’t just a master persuader, c – he was the best mass debater as well 👍

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  8. Zedd

     /  June 2, 2017

    this is just double-speak for “I’m a greedy prick & I’ll do everything to get richer.. even condemn the planet to hell.. in that pursuit”

    If he had half a brain, he would use it for more noble pursuits instead…

    “DUMP TRUMP !!” sez i&i

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  9. PDB

     /  June 2, 2017

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/06/01/trump-told-the-truth

    “Trump was correct when he said the purpose of the Paris treaty was to redistribute wealth from the U.S. to China, India and the developing world, and to weaken its economy compared to Europe. (Also true for Canada.)

    Indeed, UN climate officials have admitted global wealth redistribution is a key purpose of the Paris treaty.

    Stock market speculators, Wall Street banks, fossil fuel companies and electrical utilities will also be disappointed by Trump’s decision, as they intended to profit from government-mandated carbon pricing schemes of the type now being imposed across Canada by Trudeau and most premiers.

    Given that the U.S. is the second largest emitter of industrial greenhouse gases on the planet (China’s first), and the leader of the developed world, Trump’s withdrawal effectively kills the Paris treaty, but it was always a fraud from an environmental perspective.”

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  10. Zedd

     /  June 2, 2017

    btw; for all you trumpites/C-C deniers.. I heard on the news that a huge chuck of the antarctic ice-sheet is cracking & about to fall into the sea !

    “no evidence of C-C”.. oh really.. maybe time to pull you head of.. where ever its stuck 😦

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    • PDB

       /  June 2, 2017

      Zedd: “that a huge chuck of the antarctic ice-sheet”

      So?? That particular crack is thought to have been around since the 1960’s & the ice shelf is always changing and moving.

      “”When you’re camping on the ice shelf, you have no idea that you’re on something that is floating and moving,” she says.

      The ice shelf is in constant motion: rising with the tides, splitting off icebergs at its edges, and growing again as inland glaciers feed it.”

      “But the crack in Larsen C seems to have happened on its own, for different reasons.

      This is probably not directly attributable to any warming in the region, although of course the warming won’t have helped,” says Luckman. “It’s probably just simply a natural event that’s just been waiting around to happen.”

      http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/16/509565462/an-ice-shelf-is-cracking-in-antarctica-but-not-for-the-reason-you-think

      Zedd: “maybe time to pull you head of.. where ever its stuck” – rocks and glass houses and all that.

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  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 2, 2017

    Snow falls on Antarctica. Ice slides back down the glaciers and into the sea. So what?

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    • PDB

       /  June 2, 2017

      Not to mention Antarctica is actually on a slight cooling trend……

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      • Zedd

         /  June 2, 2017

        Its cooling.. now whose being fooled.. huge chucks are melting & cracking & falling into the sea.. sounds like the opposite to me.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 2, 2017

          News flash for Zedd: The glacier foot always melts. This one is already in the sea.

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          • Brown

             /  June 3, 2017

            Zedd is demonstrably ignorant about so much yet shouts all the time. You’re not my elder step daughter by chance?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 2, 2017

      Four notches and no refutations.

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    • That’s coming from a right-wing think-tank so no surprises there. We have to start somewhere don’t we or do you not think humans are impacting the planet?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 2, 2017

        Of course humans are impacting the planet in many ways. The questions are how much, does it matter and what could and should be done. We don’t know the answers to any of those re climate change. There is little point in starting something you don’t know how to do and whether it is needed. The sensible approach is to continue fundamental research (but cut it off from political management and perverse incentives) and to take actions that make economic sense via greater efficiency and new technologies.

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  12. Zedd

     /  June 2, 2017

    theres a saying AW.. ‘whose the bigger fool.. ‘the fool’ OR the one who follows him ?’

    ..just saying.. :/

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 2, 2017

      Idiots have lots of sayings, Zedd. Saves them thinking.

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      • Anonymous Coward

         /  June 2, 2017

        TDS springs to mind.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 2, 2017

          It’s a disease, not a saying, AC. Actually a full-blown epidemic.

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          • Gezza

             /  June 2, 2017

            No it’s not – it’s a disorder Al, like TBS.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 2, 2017

              I’m sure it has a physical basis, G. I want to see MRI scans of the sufferers brains. I’m sure there is zero left brain activity and furious right brain short circuits.

            • Gezza

               /  June 2, 2017

              It’s just a condition that has to be managed Al. Polls have shown unfortunately that simply increasing the dose of Hillary only adds depression as a co-morbidity.

              TBS is similar but it also seems to be accompanied by the rapid onset of incurable blindness in one eye.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 2, 2017

              Just like PTSD, G. TDS can’t be managed, just suffered until cured if that ever happens.

              What you call TBS is really just the ability to recognise TDS sufferers and empathise with them by laughing a lot.

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