Peters and Jones charisma on steroids?

Jo Moir suggests that Winston Peters and Shane Jones are “charisma on steroids” in There’s an election looming and Winston Peters has got a succession problem to sort:

Winston Peters is the Godfather of personality politics…resonating with the public, having charisma and spark, being relatable – it’s the only game in town in an election year.

Shane Jones joining the party – because he’s the answer to the party’s prayers, but not necessarily their own.

Jones has spark, he’s clued-up, he knows how to work a crowd and people can’t help but like him.

When Jones and Peters rock up together to watch the Lions v Provincial Barbarians game in Whangarei tonight you’ll struggle to find another pair who will generate more attention than them.

Together, they’re charisma on steroids.

That seems a bit excessive. Sure both Peters and Jones can work a crowd and appeal to some, but how many?

Peters certainly has his base of fans, and I have seen him in person successfully working the crowd – the party faithful – at their conference in Dunedin last year.

But there’s a limited market for the ancient jokes repeated, the scowling at opponents and the media, more bottom lines than a fat octogenarian, and an aversion to committing to what he would do if given the chance to negotiate a coalition deal.

Some NZ First votes come from the “I love Winston” devotees, but many more are probably closer to “stuff the rest”.

What about Jones? A lot has been said about his potential pulling power for NZ First should he join them (which is widely expected).

Jones spent most of three terms in Parliament as a list MP. He failed to win an electorate, and he failed make a significant impact in a weak Labour line up after Helen Clark stood down.

He stood in the Northland electorate in 2005 and 2008, getting less than half the votes of National’s John Carter (Peters won Northland in a by-election in 2015).

Jones switched to the Maori electorate of Tāmaki Makaurau for the 2011 election and got within 936 votes of the Maori Party’s Pita Sharples, but got over 6% fewer votes than Labour’s party vote.

Jones was known more for controversies (ministerial credit card records, the Yan controversy) and his less than stellar work ethic than his achievements. His spokesperson roles in Labour were minor before being stripped of them in 2010.

The best things going for both Peters and Jones is not their charisma with the public or the voters, but in their ability to get talked up disproportionately by media.

They seem to make better headlines than politicians.

51 Comments

  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  June 3, 2017

    Winston Peters doesn’t have charisma, he’s an attention-seeking show-off.

    • Gezza

       /  June 3, 2017

      Well, yes, but so are Barack & The Donald, and even I contend that they both have charisma. Being an attention-seeking show-off doesn’t mean you can’t have charisma. Look at Mahatma Ghandi.

      For comparison, Me & Al & Corky are attention seeking show-offs, but we don’t have charisma. (Well, I might sometimes have a little bit in the right light if I’ve had couple of baccardis & everybody else is tiddly too.)

      • Conspiratoor

         /  June 3, 2017

        G, your good self, brother corks and blazer would be entertaining dinner company. I might be misjudging him but Sir Al might turn out to be a little dry. Worth a punt though. Cheers,c

        • Gezza

           /  June 3, 2017

          Reckon it’d be a riot. Fun kind. Blazer & me should probably wear disguises though.

          • Gezza

             /  June 3, 2017

            Wouldn’t put it past Al to get the barman to bring us all free cocktails …
            Waiter: Cocktails, gentlemen.
            Manly Gentlemen: Cheers bud, what’s this one called?
            Waiter: TDS, gentlemen.
            Manliest Gentleman: That would explain the vinegar.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              Agreed G, he’d probably stich us up early. Joe would be good for a wind up and we could even wheel the colonel in although the boredom levels might rise. Uggers?

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Uggers might be interesting. I expect his hat would set off the metal detector on entry. Reminds me, I’d hope someone frisked Corks before he was admitted to the saloon bar.

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              What about the girls? Be good to see trav, Maureen, Missy, Kitty, Mags, kiited up & ready to rumble, wouldn’t it? Who else is coming? I think we might need a bigger bar.

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              And possibly Security…

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Definitely pants – if he can thumb a ride. Patu too.
              And Possers.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              Would be a bit of scratching, biting and spitting G. Would need a safe zone and massage circle for the libs. Maybe a cage if lurch shows up with red

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Bound to be if everyone had one of those TDS cocktails.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              Cameron, Loki and Pete?

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Righto. Steel doors & robust furniture tho.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              And the two resident stoners with their thousand yard stares, to round it all off

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Only place I can find matching the accom specs is the dining hall at paremoremo. What you got?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              41.890242,12.492274

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Ridiculous. Offer them two hundy.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              Think location not betting odds G. But you knew that…

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Oh, I see. Understandable choice, but that place is dump, c. Hasn’t even got a roof. Then there’s the airfares. I’d have to busk for months. At Sky City. Whaddya got that’s a bit more patriotic?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              -35.273865,174.080023

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Upper or Lower?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              The one with the flying dildos and that sour old cow and her brawling progeny

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Might be safer over @ Al’s? Don’t want the ladies exposed to some of that flying stuff.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              If you are going to come up here, best would be the Duke of Marlborough Tavern. Excellent food at very reasonable price and a nice relaxed venue with plenty of space where G and Patu can bring their guitars.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              Paper thin walls Al, never again

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              When you look at the list of potential invitees Al, we might really need something akin to a blockhouse, with a brig. I mean, it might go gangbusters with no probs – but it could go headbusters, with arrests. Have you got a fenced off field where we put up a marquee? And maybe get some ex-army guys to patrol the perimeter?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              What were you planning to do there, C?

              Are you talking about staying at the Duke of Marlborough Hotel? Different places entirely. The Tavern is here: http://tinyurl.com/ydbv9dnr

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              Ok, G, if you want to riot in peace disturbing no-one but the possums and pukes you can all come out to the cabins:
              http://tinyurl.com/y99t8e3n

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              What’s the Hell Hole Al? That might be the place for this get together?

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              The cabins would be perfect Al. I’d love it mate.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              That was the whole town in the early days, G. All pubs and brothels and packed with sailors and vagabonds from all over the world as well as the local first settlers. There’s a little takeaway called that now but it’s not what you want.

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              No worries. Al’s cabins c. Whaddya reckon?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              You must come up some time, G. But bring some company. There’s a hill just above the cabins at the end of the peninsular with a wonderful view – you can see the clear patch at the top on the Google earth photo.

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Yes, I must Al. I really would like to meet you & the Mrs & check out the locale.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              Agreed G, looks like the neighbours are safe. Have a word to Al about a bulk discount. We might need a whip round for the less fortunate idle though, unless Al is feeling charitable

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              Sleeps a couple and two singles, C. Otherwise the deserving poor will need to bring tents.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              It certainly looks like an idyllic spot Al

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017
            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Well, the LF’s not been in touch since she got a telling off, so I might have to come up on me own & kidnap someone off the street if it’s absolutely necessary Al. Things happened last Summer that kept me in Welly, but I’ll make a definite plan to get up there for this one. I’ll email.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              Good one, G. You need someone to sing to, though. Plenty of time between now and then.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              Best leave the guitar amp at home G, it’s off grid. Internet coverage might be patchy so the blog will be quiet for a while. Beautiful spot to charge the batteries and replenish the soul though

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Good thinking. Gonna fly up & travel light. Got 2 classicals & 3 steel string acoustics. Will just chuck one in a carry bag w shoulder straps. Al, is Spring worth considering? How warm is it in Oct/Nov?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              If the sun’s out there’s some power, C – to use but not to waste. 800 watts of panels and 8 deep cycle batteries. Up to 1.5 kw short term load on the inverter is ok.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              Spring weather is fine once the rain stops, G. Can be very wet July through Sept or even later sometimes. Consult the weather prophets.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              Labour weekend is the Devonport to Russell “Coastal Classic” yacht race so always a lot happening in town then. We’ll be away most of September so Oct/Nov would be good.

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              November might be the best. Sounds good Alan. I’ll follow up with you offline.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2017

              Good G. Anyone else who wants to come can get in touch via:
              http://www.terracottagardens.co.nz/enquiry.aspx

              Gezza gets to yay or nay.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              Or early August G if you want to catch me and the love interest. Paihia jazz and blues is an annual pilgrimage

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 3, 2017

              Climate change kicks in early August when C02 spikes so the weather’s usually crap at that time

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2017

              Tempting, but I’m just muscle and bone, c. Like a lizard, I want a reasonable dose of solar power to function best.