Labour called ‘lying losers’ over Sir John pettiness

There have been a number of attacks on John Key after his knighthood was announced in the Queen’s Birthday honours. These have largely come from Labour associated sources.

One of these attacks was in a Standard post Arise Sir John, which set the tone for many dirty comments there.

While no party seems to want to associate with Martyn Bradbury he also blasted the knighthood in Why I will never call John Key Sir. Ever:

This vacant optimism merchant banker whose laid back persona struck a chord with middle NZs anti-intellectualism made this country far worse for the poorest and most vulnerable amongst us.

That sums up a common level of pettiness and bitterness in New Zealand politics.

David Farrar blasts another example in Lying losers:

What a bunch of lying embittered losers.

Once she was out of politics, John Key gave Helen Clark the highest Honour there is – Order of New Zealand. He supported her campaign for UNDP Administrator and gave her 100% support in her campaign to be UN Secretary-General. He also knighted Michael Cullen and gave him significant board appointments.

Key is retired and out of politics. But the nasty losers at Labour are so choking on their bile they actually authorise an advertisement smearing and attacking him for getting a knighthood. Have you seen anything so petty before? They also repeat their lie about taking $1.7 billion out of the health sector when in fact Vote Health increased $4.8 billion in nominal terms, $3.0 billion in real terms and by over 10% in real per capita terms.

This was in reference to this post on the Young Labour Facebook page:

YoungLabourJohnKey

In the fine print at the bottom…

YoungLabourAuthorised

…is an authorisation notice: Authorised by Andrew Kirton, 160n Willis Street, Wellington

Kirton is Labour’s General Secretary so this attack on Key seems to be authorised by the Labour Party.

I’m not a fan of titles, but using Key’s knighthood announcement as an excuse to attack Key’s record in this manner looks bad for Labour.

60 Comments

  1. Ah….. Labour. A positive future and all that. Attacked him for over a decade and never landed a blow. So now the man is out of the public arena launch the nasty. What is gained by this approach? Nada except inside the echo chamber of their support….

    • Blazer

       /  June 6, 2017

      no its Nationals…’brighter ..future.It is rather hard to find Sir Honky Tonks defining achievements in politics, apart from managing to win elections.Is NZ better or worse for his influence?The most charitable conclusion,no better.Set new lows in dirty politics and the expediency of a ‘popular ‘ media propelled persona.All sizzle imo.

      • PDB

         /  June 6, 2017

        For better – at the very least by the sheer fact Labour didn’t lead us down the gurgler post-2008 due to the fact Key won the election, secondly because the NZ economy is performing very well by any International standard having survived the GFC and additionally earthquakes.

        Since Helen Clark left the opposition parties have proven to be at best a negative, disorganized, disjointed rabble with no economic chops. A govt in waiting they are not.

  2. duperez

     /  June 6, 2017

    The reaction ( or overreaction) to the knighthood is probably not unexpected. Treating things one is upset about with ignore is often a good tactic but people get emotional and ignore is a bridge too far.

    That said, the tone of Farrar’s response shows the same level of emotion. “What a bunch of lying embittered losers” has a ring of the personal about it, of being hurt that the charges against Sir John should even be made.

    I wonder how many times David Farrar became so roused when that PM was accused of lying? When there seemed to be no defence did he climb into it? Or let it slide?

    Truth, lying and honesty are moveable feasts in the world we all inhabit, including Farrar.
    For me, a seminal moment in my awareness of that, a moment where the context of honesty and lying was altered for keeps, was when a Minister of Justice, you know justice, based on the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, stood there and was quite blatantly “very loose with the facts.”

    That was okay by John Key, that was okay by his supporters. I don’t remember David Farrar going spastic about a “lying loser.”

    On that occasion though we all lost. The boat sailed over the horizon with the winds of the breaths of supporters of John Key. Instead of countervailing winds back then we get blasts of invective now.

    • Blazer

       /  June 6, 2017

      I see in an interview Key said P.M was a job 24hrs a day ,7 days a week..sic..conveniently forgetting his renown ..sidestep..’.speaking as a father,constituent M.P,private individual,trichophilliac…..etc..

    • PDB

       /  June 6, 2017

      Farrar is a private citizen not a political organisation that should have to resort to such nonsense……….typical lefty though in attacking the messenger rather than the message.

      • NOEL

         /  June 6, 2017

        Why didn’t they just say we will again remove Knighthoods if elected.
        Works for me.

      • duperez

         /  June 6, 2017

        Isn’t the message that he is a hypocrite?

        A private citizen? In the context a ridiculous comment.
        A private citizen who worked for the National Party for eight years.
        A private citizen whose market research polling company has the National Party as a ‘significant’ client.
        A private citizen who is co-founder of a blog which went under a theme of “Fomenting Happy Mischief”.
        A private citizen who is co-founder of an organisation called the Taxpayers Union.
        A private citizen mired in the same political world as those whom he chastises.

        He resorts to his own particular nonsense and shouldn’t be upset when others indulge in theirs. I’m surprised he can’t see theirs also as “Fomenting Happy Mischief”.

        • PDB

           /  June 6, 2017

          A private citizen who is likely a friend of John Key and is personally upset that Labour are attacking Key, especially when the first point regarding taking money out of health is a downright lie. Sounds a reasonable reaction to me.

          Again you resort to attacking the messenger who (going from your previous posts) you dislike.

    • Gezza

       /  June 6, 2017

      A seminal moment in my awareness of that, a moment where the context of honesty and lying was altered for keeps, was when a Minister of Justice, you know justice, based on the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, stood there and was quite blatantly “very loose with the facts”.

      Forgive me a poor power of recollection duperez. When was this?

  3. Ray

     /  June 6, 2017

    What is it with these Lefties and their memory cells.
    They seem to forget that Labour left the cupboard bare as NZ slipped into the GFC early thanks to their stewardship.
    Then we had the second largest city whacked by a series of earthquakes, even more earthquakes and difficult times.
    The PM steered us through these difficult times and left the country in a position that is the envy of the world.
    So they carp at him getting a gong, again forgetting people like Sir Geoffrey Palmer for services to pendantry or Jonathan Hunt ONZ minister of wines and taxi chits.
    Is it a requirement that you need to be brain damaged to be a lefty, probably not but it must help.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  June 6, 2017

      I think the Clark Labour government left the country in a relatively good financial position which allowed the country to ride out the GFC and weather the earthquakes in Christchurch.

      • PDB

         /  June 6, 2017

        NZ Herald: The economy leading into the GFC – “The cupboard is almost bare and that is the way Michael Cullen planned the 2008 Budget. He has delivered a Budget that offers a little of something for almost everyone but his biggest gift is to National – an election-year headache.

        Phil Goff’s revealing comments this week showed that Labour is into legacy politics and this is a legacy Budget – a legacy to National. It will make it harder for National to win and if it does win, it will make it harder to govern.”

        2009 NZ Herald: Kiwirail bought by Cullen in 2008 – “The purchase is not grounded in economic reality, strategic thinking or environmental concerns. Instead, it is an ideological Trojan horse and an expensive vote winner.

        Consider the following facts: KiwiRail was bought for $665 million. That figure then turned out to be $690m, plus other spending commitments, and ongoing preferential treatment for Toll’s trucking business at the expense of New Zealand- owned competitors (so much for supporting local business). This failed policy has already cost the taxpayer about a billion dollars.

        KiwiRail has been subsequently valued at $369m. This was an upfront loss to the taxpayer of $321m – a loss of almost a million dollars a day for a year after the purchase. Put another way, $320m of taxpayers’ money was spent for value that never existed.”

        New Zealand Herald: ACC – “The outgoing Labour government left behind a $1 billion hole in the ACC budget which will have to be filled, Prime Minister John Key said today.
        Briefings from ACC officials said the corporation was seeking $297 million more for the current 2007/2008 year and similar figures for coming years.Mr Key said he had ordered a ministerial inquiry into how the “significant and serious hole in the Government accounts” had come to be, and why it was not included when the books were opened.”

        • Blazer

           /  June 6, 2017

          Author?

        • Patzcuaro

           /  June 6, 2017

          NZ government net debt to GDP peak in the early 1990s at over 50% of GDP and bottom in 2008 at under 10% OF GDP. This is what allowed us to weather both the GFC and the earthquakes.

          Under Cullen’s watch the government net debt feel from over 20% to under 10%. He was able in good financial times to reduce debt levels to a manageable level which allowed us to increase borrowings when needed without stressing the economy unduly.

          We have been blessed with stable government for the last 18 years first under Clark and then Key who both had minister’s of finance that managed the economy astutely. One may not agree with all the spending but in general we have had prudent government.

  4. NOEL

     /  June 6, 2017

    Why didn’t they just say its their policy to again remove knighthoods if elected..
    Works for me.

  5. They’ve never really been any different – at their core the premise that “the end ALWAYS justifies the means”, when it’s their political careers and ideology at stake. Anyone old enough to recall the circulated copies of Rob Muldoon’s father’s death certificate (from Tertiary Syphillis as I recall)? It was part of the David Exel Citizens for Rowling campaign. There was lots of stuff like that and it was 1975!

    • Blazer

       /  June 6, 2017

      Typical. ..Labour. ..did it. .too. .tory creativity. .at its. ..

      • Gezza

         /  June 6, 2017

        What’s the new coalition government combo you’d like to see after September, Blazer?

        • Blazer

           /  June 6, 2017

          Anything without. ..National.

          • Gezza

             /  June 6, 2017

            Anything? I don’t think that’s true my friend. Surely? There must be some you wouldn’t seriously consider a likely useful contributor to the Government benches. You are good at maintaining a constant rate of fire & harrying the National Brigade, but when you put some calories into some of your comments, I pay attention & I certainly don’t think you’re a fool, B.

        • Gezza

           /  June 6, 2017

          Seeing I’ve asked you the question, Blazer, I’ll you what parties I’d like to see in a new coalition government. I suppose I’ll get a kicking for this, but:
          Labour, Green, Act, Maori Party, NZ First, National, maybe TOP.

          But only the best, brightest, & most qualified, most skilled, best negotiators & most reasonable people in Cabinet.

          How it would work I don’t know, & I don’t for a moment imagine it will happen, but a team from that lot who could work together & raise not lower incomes at the middle and bottom, get more people working, housed, happy & healthy, & sharing the benefits & responsibilities of caring, co-operative productive communities, that would be my dream team

  6. Patzcuaro

     /  June 6, 2017

    Has anybody told Labour that the election is this September not last September?

  7. Kitty Catkin

     /  June 6, 2017

    Martyn Bradbury is showing his ignorance and silliness.

    He is unlikely to ever be in a position to address Sir John Key, and if he refers to him as Mr Key, he will look childish and silly.

    His attitude is like me saying that I will never call the Queen ‘Your Majesty’. I am not a royalist, but this would be an easy claim to make when I am never likely to put it to the test by meeting the Queen and calling her anything.

  8. Kitty Catkin

     /  June 6, 2017

    I wonder what response there would have been to Andrew Little being offered a knighthood.

    I bet that Robert Mahuta’s ears were red hot when he accepted his. The remarks made by some Tainui were very much to the point !

  9. Did you forget all the lying about not having any Railway Shares and then twice revising his allotment of shares and lyhing to a reporter on tv who was coming to lunch at his own house and let us not forget the ponytail pulling and making thr waittress cry as she knew his power and he even lied about that and said it was his wife. Then to top it all up they set a known reporter to befriend the said waitress and stabbed her in the back.

    • PDB

       /  June 6, 2017

      Ann: “ponytail pulling and making thr waittress cry as she knew his power and he even lied about that and said it was his wife.”

      Ha! When he pulled on the girls ponytail he would pretend his wife did it………..you make it sound like he seriously tried to blame his wife for pulling the ponytail to the general public/media. The railway shares issue was a failed hit job by the Labour party led by Cullen and was quickly forgotten.

  10. ps and why the indecent haste to knight him? and why the pause from Bill English when asked Was the PM offered New Zealand’s highest offer- as there was a vacancy in the special 20 top New Zealander’s?

    • Patzcuaro

       /  June 6, 2017

      I think I the wider world which John Key inhabits “Sir” in front of your name has more value than being one of the “20”. Sir John Key meet Sheikh or Emir etc. Horses for courses Key likes titles.

      • Conspiratoor

         /  June 6, 2017

        A cynic would say that’s why he brought this anacronyism back patz. A cynic might also say binning them was the one worthy thing his predecessor accomplished.

        • Gezza

           /  June 6, 2017

          Sir Alan & I, I am sure, are deeply wounded by these sentiments, but willl hide our pain.
          Sir Gerald

          • Conspiratoor

             /  June 6, 2017

            Your pain is noted G, but it is irrelevant. I’m with my good friend blazer here. The inescapable feeling key saw this as nothing more than a career move. Cheers,c

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 6, 2017

              Who cares how he saw it if he did a good job? I’d sooner have someone who wanted to do that than some bigot with an ideological agenda who thinks it is his mission in life.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 6, 2017

              Agreed, but who cares? A good job? That’s where we differ Al

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  June 6, 2017

              If the ceremony goes as well as his flag debacle he’s in danger of losing his head.

            • Gezza

               /  June 6, 2017

              If it is any consolation, Monsieur c, my manservant made the observation:

              “Key had to go. 😡 Who else have we got? 😳 ”

              He has been demoted & sent to the stables. Can’t have that sort of thing taking root in the colonies. The serfs & oafs will be demanding the vote next 😠.
              Sir Gerald

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 6, 2017

              @C, he was utterly a pragmatist. I would have liked him to do more in some directions and much less in others but he called it as he judged it feasible and political. Mostly he was successful. He boxed Labour into a shrinking corner with consummate ease.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 6, 2017

              Oi G, why am I suddenly a monsuyer while every key lickspittle gets to be a sir? It’s not cricket!

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 6, 2017

              Al, a pragmatist is able to manufacture a positive outcome in negative situations so in this sense he was successful. But he had no vision beyond this career step. He proved to be spineless when he needed to step up. I’ve got nothing but contempt for the man. How do you think the next generation will look back on the key era and spin it as a wonderful thing?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 6, 2017

              I have little doubt that should the Labour/Green/NZ First circus win power history will judge the Key Government as highly competent and successful.

            • Gezza

               /  June 6, 2017

              I cannot be held responsible for your failures to bombard the Committee & the influential Doctor Sir Alan Wilkinson, PVC with endless recommendations from multiple bogus email addresses attesting to your excellent qualities & selfless service to the Community over many years, M. c. Learn from the wise, Mr Adams is merely interesting.

              Enjoy your millions in the meantime
              Sir Gerald

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 6, 2017

              I fear you are correct Al, and I find it very sad the bar has been set so low. Time to start looking for a bolthole

            • Gezza

               /  June 6, 2017

              South Sudan looks like a place that could do with the assistance of some of your govenance advice c. 😳

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 6, 2017

      The straightforward answer which you probably don’t want to hear is that Helen Clark was given an Order of NZ because she abolished Sir/Dame options and Key was given the knighthood because he brought them back.

      But I’m sure you’d much prefer to invent some nasty conspiracy instead.

  11. You know what they say= takes one to know one! and John boy sure has the experience to the full.

  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 6, 2017

    The Left – petty, ignorant and stupid. Situation normal.

    • Blazer

       /  June 6, 2017

      you forgot …loony…..onset of…the big…A.Bol.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 6, 2017

        No, I was generalising to the Left as a whole this time, B.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 6, 2017

          … since it was authorised by the Labour Party subsidiary.

        • Blazer

           /  June 6, 2017

          you can not be so naive to believe Key formulated policy /strategy on his own…surely!He was the spokesperson for a well funded and successful campaign to…promote the interests of the few over the many in a very subtle and clever ‘entente cordiale’ with middle NZ.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  June 6, 2017

            As irrelevant as it is unfounded, B.

            • Blazer

               /  June 6, 2017

              choose ..one…Al…

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 6, 2017

              No.

            • Blazer

               /  June 6, 2017

              well you are right on this…Key restored knighthoods in his first 100 days..and recieved one in his last..100 days,.All done in the ..best possible..taste.!.

  13. To be fair, I was disgusted when Cullen got his gong, and said he deserved prison, not a knighthood. I still believe that. You shouldn’t get an honour from the Sovereign when you spend your time in government undermining her constitution. And Labour are low in the polls right now because people know they’d do it all again given the chance.

    I refuse to call him Sir Michael.

    As for Key, I’m old school. I believe knighthood recipients should be able to point to something… anything… as an achievement. Key, we were told, was building political capital for future reforms. Well we are still waiting. Surely mere occupation of the position is too low a bar?

    America seems to do just fine without fancy titular offices for its civilian citizens. I don’t see why government has to keep giving people silly titles. Let the private sector and private organizations bestow honours as they see fit. Letting government do it is too much of a minefield.

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