What next?

TV1 has run a 5 night series of programmes looking at the future. They have proposed Plan A – doing much the same as now – and Plan B – making radical changes to how we do things over the next 20 years.

What next?

The last programme is promoting what they have done as potentially a ‘pivotal moment’.

Has anyone watched any of it?

If so has it changed your mind? Has it inspired you to do things differently?

What next?

39 Comments

  1. PDB

     /  June 15, 2017

    Must admit I was put off by the two co-hosts to even bother to watch.

    Stuff: “Former broadcaster Brian Edwards, for example, had declared that it was so bad, “I was writhing in agony on the living room floor, begging my good wife to TURN IT OFF… PLEASE!!!” 

    “as well as introducing ideas like democratic workplaces and the Universal Basic Incomes (UBI).”

    • There was a lot of idealism.

      If profit sharing democratic workplaces were a good enough idea they would be thriving all over the country. Workers would get together to set them up.

      • That is a one hundred percent on the money Pete. I have pushed that idea at some dedicated lefties – workers co-ops. They never seem keen on it for some reason – normal reason is “we don’t have the money”…. which is odd as union members pay a few dollars a week in union dues, which adds up to a fair nut of capital if managed/saved/invested wisely…..why don’t they pool that cash and start a business of their own owned by the union members…. could pay “living wages” very easily couldn’t they..

        maybe the thought of taking a risk is too much for them? But that sounds odd because to listen to union leaders and lefties business people serve little purpose and a just creaming it…

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 16, 2017

          “we don’t have the money” excuse shortly to be followed by a tirade against evil banks, investors and capitalism.

          The Left always want donations with no payback – preferably imposed by force.

          • Gezza

             /  June 16, 2017

            5.10 am in the morning Sir Alan
            Insomnia brought on by an over-brisk internal environment is my excuse. What’s yours?

            Abominably yours, as always
            Sir Gerald.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 16, 2017

              2 hrs advanced Time Zone last day in beautiful Rarotonga, Sir Gerald. Will miss our adopted mummy dog and her puppies but look forward to the greeting from our own woofers at their farmstay. Won’t miss the roosters so much though we are now immune to their all night crowing. But not looking forward to the temperature drop and missing my morning dip in the warm lagoon.

            • Gezza

               /  June 16, 2017

              lol. I too remember ubiquitous roosters during our time there. Our friends’ house wasn’t far from Muri Lagoon.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 16, 2017

              There is a spot on our usual dog walk at Orongo bay where we hear a rooster crow and it always reminds me of Raro with a little tug at my heart. I love this place.

            • Gezza

               /  June 16, 2017

              Yes. I know why. It’s a neat place. I assume you can still drive around the whole Island in a couple of blinks. I remember the advice of our friend Eleanor: “You can’t have a secret affair on this Island. Everybody goes – what’s his car doing at her place?”

              Advice for others only, of course, Sir Alan.

              Unremittingly hostilely yours, as always
              Sir Gerald.

  2. patupaiarehe

     /  June 15, 2017

    Havn’t seen it Pete, we don’t watch much TV in my whare. I’ve just turned on TV1+1, since you suggested it.

  3. patupaiarehe

     /  June 15, 2017

    One ‘adbreak’ in, the cynical side of me thinks, that this is looking like a regular old ‘talkfest’. But the other half thinks that it’s good to talk. Thanks for suggesting it Pete

    • patupaiarehe

       /  June 15, 2017

      Some interesting ‘left’ perspectives in that program. If I didn’t have to be at work at 7am, I’d happily argue about them all night… 😀

  4. I watched a couple, but found it boring and condescending. Tonight, in the small segment I watched, they were rabbiting on about social entrepreneurs and people putting back, shaping lives in communities etc. It was as if by just reframing the ordinary, every day charity and community works undertaken daily – they were inventing giving and helping. I thought about my own family, my friends and my mother and father and their friends before me. Thousands of hours between us coaching sports, imparting skills, delivering meals on wheels, standing for committees, the list goes on forever. It made my blood boil to hear them all prattling on as if they invented the idea of community care and empathy. The general tenor was dullsville and watching Campbell gesticulating and pontificating at the camera was an unhappy trip down memory lane. I had two girlfriends here and we agreed that a double dose of progressive Nige and advocacy John was too much to bear.

    Thanks God for Tanqueray.

    • (Of course we’re dyed in the wool Nats!) 😏

      • patupaiarehe

         /  June 16, 2017

        I found myself a tad irritated by it too Trav, but not in a bad way. More amused really. These people go on a TV show, and act like they have all the answers to everything. Whereas you and I both know, that we can’t change the world. What we can do, however, is make a real difference, in our local environment.
        I had a meeting with the directors of the company I work for today, on a matter completely unrelated to the ‘boy’ that we employed just under a year ago. But after the ‘issues’ that needed to be dealt with immediately had been settled, the conversation turned to ‘Junior’, and how he was progressing. As his manager, I had no complaints about him whatsoever. He knew sweet FA about anything when he started, but his ears worked just fine, which meant he didn’t have to be told twice how to do any task. He has picked up the basics, like a duckling swimming, and has quickly figured out how to ‘give as good as he gets’, as far as ‘tradie banter’ goes.
        I didn’t have much background on ‘Junior’, but I got some today.
        Bullied at school, and hating it. Wagging school, because he was being bullied. Getting in with the wrong crowd, etc…
        But both Ma & Pa can’t believe the difference in his whole outlook on life, after working with the team here for a year. He loves working with us, even though he gets blamed for everything, since he is the youngest… To put it in his words, “Oh well, I guess fucked up what you were doing again. I guess you’ll have to sack me, as soon as you find someone else who will put up with you!”. He’s got the right attitude to succeed in this industry….

        • That’s a lovely story P. You and your colleagues doing good like so many people do every day andwithout fanfare, because it’s human nature at its best and it’s the essence of the Kiwi way. It’s profoundly reassuring to hear this and equally irritating to be talked at by self important panelists and presenters passing themselves off as visionary on digital steroids.

          Brian Edwards not at all happy. You should read his Facebook rants on it.

          “SECOND THOUGHTS ON “WHAT NEXT”

          Tossed and turned during the night. Couldn’t sleep. A bad conscience will do that to you. Had I been too harsh on What Next? What would I say to John Campbell if I bumped into him at RNZ when Michelle and I were on The Panel? Not a violent man, thank heavens. Probably shake my hand and say, “No hard feelings, Brian.” But that would just make it even worse.

          Trouble is, I’d watched last night’s show and found no compelling reason to change my opinion. And there are still 3 episodes to go!

          So here’s a more temperate analysis of what I see as the programme’s flaws.

          *No contrary opinion is expressed anywhere on the show. On the core issues which the show addresses all the studio guests and all the people in the video clips are in fundamental agreement.

          *This does not make for riveting viewing. On the contrary, the worthiness which the programme conveys is likely to turn viewers off.

          *More importantly, it may invite the suspicion that this is a programme generally reflecting the views of the Liberal Left – people like me!

          *New Zealand On Air funded the series to the tune of $1,219,288. That’s not excessive for a five-part series, but it ought at least to buy decent pictures and high quality sound, not Stygian gloom and muddy audio. [Irony Warning!!!] Maybe that’s only in Ponsonby/Herne Bay of course.

          And finally this: If you cared to look back on the posts on my website (brianedwardsmedia.co.nz) or here on Facebook, you’d discover that I’ve been a longtime fan of John Campbell and, despite an early post entitled “I do not care for Nigel Latta”, of that gentleman too.

          Damn! Another sleepless night coming up.”

  5. PDB

     /  June 16, 2017

    The fact the programme came to the stunning (not pre-determined *ahem*) conclusion that NZ’s future is ‘socialism’ I can only presume they asked the wrong questions or asked the wrong people.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 16, 2017

      Knowing the presenters I am sure both were carefully selected, PDP.

      • Gezza

         /  June 16, 2017

        What Next even sounds like a kiddies’ tv show.

        • PDB

           /  June 16, 2017

          Danny Watson wouldn’t have looked too out of place I reckon.

          • Gezza

             /  June 16, 2017

            Or a comedy show too, when I think about it. John Cleese could do the serious looks.

            • PDB

               /  June 16, 2017

              They should have just been honest with viewers and got Sue Bradford and John Minto to host the show.

            • Gezza

               /  June 16, 2017

              It isn’t that I don’t want a better world & a better society than what we have. I do. It’s just that, until everyone agrees on what that is, we won’t get one.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 16, 2017

              Dunno, PDB. I would have thought Latta and Campbell are quite credible substitutes for those two. Certainly enough to warn me off.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 16, 2017

              At the point that everyone agrees what it is, it will be time to leave it, Sir Gerald. Because whatever it is it certainly won’t be that.

            • Gezza

               /  June 16, 2017

              When I first watched Nigel Latta on the first episode of his Darklands series, I liked him. By the time of his last episode, I didn’t. Pop psychologist & self-promoter.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 16, 2017

              Manipulative, I think, Sir G.

            • Gezza

               /  June 16, 2017

              The point at which everyone agrees on it, Sir Alan, imo, is most likely to be the point at which we learn that the yuuuuge incoming asteroid is completelyunstoppable.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 16, 2017

              Or we are living in North Korea or the USSR and its satellites.

            • PDB

               /  June 16, 2017

              I thought Bryan Bruce was alright on his ‘The investigator’ show but in reality he is a far left-wing nutter of the highest order.

              https://www.facebook.com/www.redsky.tv/

      • PDB

         /  June 16, 2017

        I thought that would be the biggest problem too until I heard the ‘expert’ panel…………I’m certain they were all either Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn supporters.

        • Gezza

           /  June 16, 2017

          Everybody else is too busy working or doing dinner & housekeeping.

  6. Unfortunately it turned out to be more of a predefined crusade than anything.

    It would have been good to see a decent debate about the issues raised rather than a choir of the already converted led by the two conductors.