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18 June 2017

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27 Comments

  1. Pickled Possum

     /  June 18, 2017

    Irish choir … the choreographer is an amazing woman and the girls are so clearly loving this.

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  2. Zedd

     /  June 18, 2017

    I re-read ‘the revelation’ I think Trump & Putin are central characters.. the beast & the false prophet I think the anti-christ is in rome ?? 😀

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  3. Conspiratoor

     /  June 18, 2017

    Bob Jones explains why trumps wife still loves him and why the great brush off thing was crap…

    “Take the global media’s distasteful efforts to imply Trump’s wife hates him, she allegedly brushing his hand away when he reached for it during his Saudi Arabian visit. What contrived crap! She was walking slightly behind him, swinging her arms as all models are taught to do, and unaware of Trump reaching his hand towards hers, accidentally brushed it away. I’m not a hand-holder but I once lived with a model and was always complaining about her slightly swinging hand brushing me when we walked together.”

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    • Gezza

       /  June 18, 2017

      Sir Bob Jones? Typical he’d moan about that! That grumpy bugger moans about all sorts of things all the bloody time.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 18, 2017

        Nothing cheers me up like a good moan, G. And in Sir Bob’s case they are usually hilarious.

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        • Gezza

           /  June 18, 2017

          Oh yes. Me too. But I didn’t that was the point. 😀

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          • Gezza

             /  June 18, 2017

            Sht! * think * – insert where mysteriously missing.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 18, 2017

              I made a point of ignoring the point, G.

            • Gezza

               /  June 18, 2017

              At the rest home. All in the past now, Al. Don’t start bringing up painful history.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 18, 2017

              BJ’s attempt to explain this away is really stretching it-for one thing, as I understand it, Mrs T’s ‘modelling’ wasn’t done on the catwalk as birthday suits are not fashion garments.

              I wondered if it was because PDAs are discouraged in Saudi Arabia. Or because she can’t stand his fat wee fingers on hers.

  4. http://ellisp.github.io/elections/elections.html

    I’ll be watching this over the next few months … might be of interest to those who follow polls and want to see a more statistical analysis instead of the breathless hubris of our friends who get paid to report and analysis new events…

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  June 18, 2017

    Theres help out there somewhere for you Melania Trump.Its hell when your body cannot compete with a twitter account…
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/17/melania-trump-moved-in-white-house-rescue

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  6. patupaiarehe

     /  June 18, 2017

    I posted a link to this article on yesterdays OF quite late, which meant it didn’t get a big an audience as I think it deserves. It was forwarded to be by a former colleague, who asked, “Who do you think of when you read this?”. Just a few sentences in, I knew exactly who he was talking about…
    http://sunlive.co.nz/news/155823-opening-up-about-workplace-bullying.html

    I’d like to tell you this story. But I can’t. I am among the walking muted.
    The people at the heart of this story are silenced. They have been paid off to keep quiet.

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    • PDB

       /  June 18, 2017

      A tough one to talk about in a few words considering it is quite a wide-ranging subject. Let me just say that (like everything in life) there are good and bad companies & good and bad work colleagues & management. Current workplace legislation means employers are taking a huge risk in ignoring such issues that they may have in the past.

      Good companies will take to task anybody who tries to bully or intimidate others in the workplace, and in my experience this is most often the case EXCEPT in the public service which in my experience is full of bullying behavior, especially from those at the top of the tree protecting their patch and covering their inadequacies.

      It is also in my experience in the private sector that bad workers are the bigger problem, many of which get the ass card but are able to resign rather than take a black mark on their record thus future employers are none the wiser as to what they are getting. ‘Silence’ works both ways.

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    • Gezza

       /  June 18, 2017

      I had a psychopathic staff member when I was a section head. Nightmare. Devious as shit. Nearly broke me getting rid of him.

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  June 18, 2017

        I have seen countless examples of exactly this sort of behaviour, in several companies I have worked for. The bad guys don’t always win though. I can think of one particular example, where the bully tried to bully the wrong guy, and got laid out cold.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  June 18, 2017

          In the case above, the guy who ‘snapped’, and smacked the bully manager in the face, after being assaulted by him first, didn’t get a payout. He got charged with assault, and found guilty, due to provocation not being a defence. Breaking someones nose & knocking out two of their teeth, was regarded by the judge as a disproportionate response to being threatened with violence, and then shoved. But to every other guy in the factory, the so called offender was a hero. He reckoned the best thing about the court case, was watching the bully manager read his victim impact statement, and break down in tears afterwards, since the bully was so fond of making others do so, in front of their workmates

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 18, 2017

      It is an indictment of the adjudication processes that gagging clauses are permitted as part of settlements in such cases although I can see the practical need for them in others where there would otherwise be no effective sanction against aggrieved or manipulative slander.

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  June 18, 2017

        IMHO Alan, suppression & secrecy should only ever be used to protect a victim. The reason I have started this discussion here, is because suppression orders are rare in employment court. And that a lot of these settlements never go before a court. The victims get a payout, but are told that they will have it ‘clawed back’ in court, if they ever go public.
        The great thing about this site, is that people can post anonymously, & not name individuals or companies, without risking any such consequences. I personally know of two cases of harassment, that were settled out of court, and involved 5 figure sums. Both of the perpetrators, are still employed by the same companies, in spite of this.
        Does anyone else have a story to share? No names necessary…

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 18, 2017

          I can only recall two instances. One was a personality clash but very unpleasant for the poor subordinate although the rest of the staff were kind to her. The other was a manager with a dominating manner which some found hard to take although underneath it I found him quite humane when it counted. I don’t think he did any serious harm though.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 18, 2017

            I once worked in a place where spite,sneaking and tattling was rife-unless it was just that I, the new girl was unlucky.

            A brief phonecall to someone at my last workplace for something or other work-related was reported as a long personal conversation on work time. When I was ill and someone I knew took me to the doctor and then to the chemist, someone from work saw me waiting outside the chemist (propping up the doorway) and dobbed me in for being in town when I had claimed to be ill, And so on. My life was a misery most of the time, as I never knew when I would have some distorted story that had been told about me to ‘please explain.’ I would see this as a form of bullying.

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            • patupaiarehe

               /  June 18, 2017

              What you described above Kitty, is bullying. Where my wife used to work, exactly the same sort of thing used to go on. Which is why she resigned. Not because she was being victimised, but because she witnessed it happening to more than one of her colleagues, and felt guilty about not doing anything about it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 19, 2017

              I do wonder what kind of adult gets off on this kind of thing. The report that I had been seen in town bunking off when I had rung in sick was childish spite that I had done nothing to earn. It was like when it was my turn to be bullied in the third form all over again. The idea of someone running off to tell that a new worker had been making long personal phonecalls when the call was brief and necessary (and I seem to remember asking if it was all right) is bizarre. I ended up being sacked-offered the choice of 4 weeks pay and go now or hand in my notice and work the 4 weeks. Guess which I chose ! The freedom was worth the unfair dismissal.

  7. patupaiarehe

     /  June 18, 2017

    I’ve been hearing a lot of music, by the late Chris Cornell, on the ‘wireless’ lately. Can’t say that I enjoy his version of ‘Billy Jean’ much, but IMHO, this one is brilliant. Sad really, how great artists are only really appreciated after their death. Enjoy…

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