What can English do now?

In the wake of the Todd Barclay mess a lot of suggestions have been made about what Bill English should do.

Andrew Little said on RNZ: ” Barclay is causing chaos, and that it’s totally unacceptable that Bill English hasn’t insisted he cooperate with the police”, but it would be totally inappropriate for English to insist that Barclay do something he isn’t legally required to do.

There have also been calls (not by Little as far as I’m aware) for English to dump Barclay from standing again in Clutha-Southland .

This may not be easy or advisable as @MatthewHootonNZ explains.

  1. Those asking to announce he is cutting loose need to read r115-116 of constitution.
  2. You can find it here: https://www.elections.org.nz/sites/default/files/National_party_rules_0.pdf
  3. Then ask yourself what happens if just said “nah”.
  4. Then ask how long it would take for the necessary decisions under rules 115 and 116 to be made.
  5. Take into account that each of those decisions are subject to judicial review.
  6. Then ask whether it really would be a good example of leadership for to make the bold demand for his resignation sought.

Here are rules 115 and 116:

Withdrawal of Endorsement

115. If it appears to the Electorate Executive that formal withdrawal of Party
endorsement of a selected constituency candidate is in the interests of the
Party, and the candidate is unwilling to withdraw his/her candidature, the
following procedure shall apply:

(a) Approval shall be sought by the Electorate Executive through the
Regional Chair from the Board for the Board to undertake a meeting
to consider withdrawal of endorsement;

(b) If such approval is given by the Board, then at least two days prior
notice of the Board meeting at which the withdrawal of the Party’s
endorsement of the candidate is to be discussed, and the fact that
such withdrawal is to be discussed, shall be given to the Board
Members and to the candidate; and the chairperson of the electorate
and the Regional Chairperson who shall be entitled to attend the
Board meeting.

(c) The candidate shall be invited to attend the said meeting and prior
to any motion being put to the meeting to withdraw the Party’s
endorsement of him or her, he or she must be informed of the reasons
for dissatisfaction with his or her candidacy and given an
opportunity to state his or her case; and

(d) A resolution of the Board withdrawing the Party’s endorsement shall
be effective immediately if passed by a majority of those present and
voting.

116. If it appears to the Board that formal withdrawal of Party endorsement of
a selected constituency candidate is in the best interests of the Party as the
actions of the candidate are prejudicial to the interests of the Party and the
candidate is unwilling to withdraw his/her candidature, and the Electorate
Executive has determined not to initiate withdrawal in terms of Rule 115(a),
then the following procedure shall be apply:

(a) The Board shall convene a Board meeting with the Chairperson of the
Electorate concerned and the Regional Chair of the Region concerned
to consider withdrawal of the endorsement;

(b) If a meeting is convened, then at least two days prior notice of the
meeting as which the withdrawal of the Party’s endorsement of the
candidate is to be discussed and the fact that such withdrawal is to
be discussed shall be given to the Electorate concerned and to the
candidate;

(c) The candidate shall be invited to attend the said meeting and prior
to any motion being put to the meeting to withdraw the Party’s
endorsement of him or her, he or she must be informed of the reasons
for dissatisfaction with his or her candidacy and given an opportunity
to state his or her case; and

(d) A Resolution of the Board withdrawing the Party’s endorsement shall
be effective immediately if passed by a majority of those present and
voting.

There are good reasons why it is deliberately difficult for a Prime Minister to dump MPs. Candidates are chosen by electorates, not by the party leader.

53 Comments

  1. The Nats could stand another candidate as an Independent, who could then thrash the duplicitous and arrogant young whippersnapper. Sort of an Epsomite move

  2. Blazer

     /  June 21, 2017

    Do you know the words to…’its My party… and I’ll cry if I want…To?

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 21, 2017

    None of the above would prevent English from condemning Barclay’s behaviour and publicly calling for his resignation and withdrawal. The party hierarchy could then be left to deal with their own mess procedurally.

  4. Tipene

     /  June 21, 2017

    I suspect that there are other avenues of pressure that could be pressed upon Barclay. Don’t see him getting to the end of this month.

    • Gezza

       /  June 21, 2017

      Couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke, by the sound of things.

  5. duperez

     /  June 21, 2017

    Seriously though, Bill English clearly has something to do.
    1 Pray for the Lions to win on Saturday.
    2 Pray for Team NZ to win on Sunday.

    • Gezza

       /  June 21, 2017

      Might not work for Bill. Definitely worth a shot at publicly basking in their reflected glory if they pull it off though, dupers.

      • duperez

         /  June 21, 2017

        A win? I don’t know if he has offspring of the age to be sending out the selfie in the sheds after the game with Kieran’s jockstrap on his head. And a faraway look on Kieran’s face imagining the investiture.
        A Lions’ win will be far better for Bill’s purposes.

        • Gezza

           /  June 21, 2017

          Being seen going “Onya Boys, ya make us proud!” & doing the Thumbs Up while Skyping or FaceTiming the lads on widescreen tv should do the trick for the Bermuda PR op.

          I’ll speak no more of these things in this vein. Easy to jinx them – like the media hubris did at the last AmCup.

    • Pete Kane

       /  June 21, 2017

      “Seriously though, Bill English clearly has something to do.
      1 Pray for the Lions to win on Saturday.
      2 Pray for Team NZ to win on Sunday”

      Or arrange for Todd to play for the ABs. Some pretty big boys in that Lion’s Pack. (and the perpetrators leave the Country – no lingering mess.)

  6. Blazer

     /  June 21, 2017

    ‘Billy…don’t be a …hero….don’t be a fool ..with ..your life……’

  7. Zedd

     /  June 21, 2017

    I think ACT should stand a strong candidate in Clutha-Sthld ! 😀

    • High Flying Duck

       /  June 21, 2017

      I think ACT are a bit highbrow and latte-sipping for the good folk of Gore. Traditional values and all that up against libertarian ideals.

  8. duperez

     /  June 21, 2017

    What can Bill do? Wave goodbye to Todd apparently.

  9. Blazer

     /  June 21, 2017

    wonder what his payoff will..be.

    • PDB

       /  June 21, 2017

      His payoff will be ensuring the nutters that used to be on his staff don’t get one of their favoured candidates into his old electorate seat.

      • Blazer

         /  June 21, 2017

        you sound sorry to see him…go.

        • PDB

           /  June 21, 2017

          As with most things in life there are two sides to the story – his mistake is that it seems he made a recording of his staff without their knowledge. The story prior to that suggests a few staff members were actively working against him and undermining his position. The fact they were effectively sidelined (even though they were long-time Bill English colleagues) says to me they were not that innocent.

          • Blazer

             /  June 21, 2017

            that may well be so….but his lies and machinations make him unfit to hold office.

            • PDB

               /  June 21, 2017

              That’s true, but it still doesn’t negate the fact that those ex-staff member’s should also face the spotlight for their part in this – especially going forward as a new National candidate is chosen.

            • Gezza

               /  June 21, 2017

              Job for trav, I reckon.

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  June 21, 2017

            which begs the question: were his staff actively working against him or was he simply too much of an arsehole for any staffer to reasonably work with?

            • Gezza

               /  June 21, 2017

              I suspect probably 50/50 Joe
              Both at that time of life where they know it all.

  10. PDB

     /  June 21, 2017

    Well now that farce is over onto more important things………….now how about Labour and the Greens wanting to double our refugee quota………

    • Gezza

       /  June 21, 2017

      I’m against it.
      Maybe a slight increase – but definitely not more Muslims.
      We could maybe contribute something into an international pool for one-off settlement grants for Muslim refugees in Saudi or Turkey or another Muslim country if we have to. Best they go to Muslim countries – for reasons that are obvious to anybody sensible & that I have spoken off before.

    • Blazer

       /  June 21, 2017

      What you state is misinformation.

      • Brown

         /  June 21, 2017

        Is there something I can program to give automatic down ticks to Blazer? I get a sore wrist.

        Now, let’s wait for the childish innuendo. Who wants to go first?

  11. Gezza

     /  June 21, 2017

    1ewes at 6 plus 1 has got the whole political team on it:

    🕶 Corin
    😖 Andrea
    🙄 Katie

    • Gezza

       /  June 21, 2017

      Wendy ❤️ just gave a summary of what it’s all about & the twists & turns in the stories from Todd & William.

      • Gezza

         /  June 21, 2017

        🙄 Katie did a good job. 👍

        Clips of Todd, Bill, saying things that later became *awkward*, & the oppos (Andy, James, Winnie) putting the boot in.

        • Gezza

           /  June 21, 2017

          Nothing from 😖 Andrea on this issue tho. Probably just as well. I find her a bit hard to hear usually, owing to having my fingers in my ears after her first sentence.

          She was on later on another item. Anybody know what thrrtee eartt is ?

      • patupaiarehe

         /  June 21, 2017

        The lovely Wendy ‘pales’ in comparison, to the lovely Jenny, G. As far as the MSM’ ‘news’ goes, it’s the ‘same shit, different channel’.

        • Gezza

           /  June 21, 2017

          I think I should be the judge of that, brother. Who’s Jenny ?

          • patupaiarehe

             /  June 21, 2017

            The lovely Jenny Saw, a very attractive & well spoken Asian New Zealander. Perhaps you should watch the late news on 3 more often, G…
            Anyhow, I’m gonna leave you to it. I have work to do…

            • Gezza

               /  June 21, 2017

              Righto. Sorry, can’t abide tv3 e hoa. I mean, really??:

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 21, 2017

              I’ve added TV to the videos I won’t watch, Sir Gerald. Feeling much better for it.

            • Gezza

               /  June 21, 2017

              Certainly understandable in respect of tv +HR=E, Sir Alan.
              I mean, who are those two?
              Quasimodo & Esmeralda ?

            • patupaiarehe

               /  June 22, 2017

              Farkin seriously G?! Disabuse yourself of any prejudice!
              Jenny is hot!

            • Gezza

               /  June 22, 2017

              Careful patu. It makes you go blind. 😎
              By the time I found out I already needed glasses. 🤓

  12. Patzcuaro

     /  June 21, 2017

    It does seem odd, given all that has happened, that Todd Barclay was allowed to be re-elected by a National. Somebody was asleep at the wheel.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 21, 2017

      Yes. Suspect there is more to be told.

  13. patupaiarehe

     /  June 22, 2017

    LOL, are you ‘up for it’ Trav? Just wondering,,,,